murcielago585 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 That was quite the {censored} Macworld. Here is something you can buy in Feb that no one will buy, and here's an amazing product that no one can offord, comes out in June, and that only the american can have. Where was leopard and products we can actually buy or can afford to buy? that was brutal!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberracus Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 wasnt {censored}y, th eiphone is just awesome, and the apple tv is fantastic, i do not have an HD screen so i dont need it yet, but its perfect for every home with a plasme. You are apying for perfect funcionality as usual in apple. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Where was leopard and products we can actually buy or can afford to buy? that was brutal!!! I am sure Apple will be announcing some new hardware later this month, that is usually what happens when other topics dominat Steve's talk. With Vista coming out right now, it was a smart move to not talk about Leopard. I really did not expect much from the iPhone, but I am really very impressed. It runs OS X and has so many cool features. But I do not actually plan to buy one either, so I really do not care about the cost. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jana Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I think we should have expected Apple to make no comment on Leopard or iLife 07. Probably beacause vista hasnt actually been released yet and Microsoft can copy 'TOP SECRET' features of Leopard even if theyve gone RTM. I was really expecting hardware especially as the isight went off and that the designs of some off the macs are gettin quite old even tho they just jumped on intel Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Well it all points towards Apple increasingly losing interest in the desktop/laptop market & turning into a manufacturer of expensive toys rather than serious tools. Apple (no longer computer) Inc. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Apple (no longer computer) Inc.... Well it all points towards Apple increasingly losing interest in the desktop/laptop market... Obviously Apple is now "consumer electronics" company, but I think you taking this too far. ... turning into a manufacturer of expensive toys rather than serious tools. The iPod is a toy, but I take the iPhone to be a potentially very serious tool. It run OS X, this means you (I) can easily write all kinds of business type applications for it. With all the connectivity built-in, I could see many corporations using these (even hospitals). In some ways the iPhone clearly is a "tablet' PC, it certainly is way more than just a phone or iPod. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murcielago585 Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 I agree, I think the iPhone is an incredible machine and find it very impressive just kinda blows that they are only holding onto one network. They made something revolutionary but also something not everyone can enjoy. I'm a bit bitter about this whole thing since I do liv ein Canada, although if At&T and Cingular are together, i'm pretty sure Rogers is with At&T as well so maybe we'll get it over here at some point; I;d proably try to save up the cash for it. As for Leopard I don;t think saying nothing would be my prime choice if I were Jobs since I know Vista is not out yet, but the RTM version will be the version shipping on January 30th. Do any of actually believe that Microsoft could actually take these "TOP SECRET" features and make them their own working on Vista while also being stable by the 30th? I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen and if they are to copy these features then they will add them with their next service pack for Vista after Leopard ships. So either way, if they plan to copy they could at a later time, but at this point there is nothing Microsoft could put together in this time frame. So they should have gave us at least a little sneak peek or shipping date instead of talking about the iPhone for an hour and a half. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwer Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Obviously Apple is now "consumer electronics" company, but I think you taking this too far.The iPod is a toy, but I take the iPhone to be a potentially very serious tool. It run OS X, this means you (I) can easily write all kinds of business type applications for it. With all the connectivity built-in, I could see many corporations using these (even hospitals). In some ways the iPhone clearly is a "tablet' PC, it certainly is way more than just a phone or iPod. @Bofors - <nods> Business applications. Serious ones. I thought I was the only one that picked up on that. Drat! Its like the best bits of the newton parts bin have been raided. <eyes newton development kit on shelf and laughs...> Of course, in the UK, any iPhone users are going to be shafted by the data transfer tariffs associated with GPRS/3G. Disappointed? A bit. Its a bit 'Jam tomorrow', no? //R Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 5hr battery life = toy People who depend on the functions will be carrying several items to do the job of one iPhone for some time to come. (not to mention the apple version 1 curse and their appalling service policies.. ) The iPhone is an expensive executive toy for gadget freaks. The (Apple)TV is a neat toy for the living room. Apple is quite clearly abandoning the laptop & desktop workstation market, as this is "where the puck is now, not where it's going to be" As the technology matures, it may well become useful, but in the mean time, apple is concentrating on a market segment with more cash & less sense, and selling toys. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
articquad Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm sure my dad will be wanting the appleTV, but all of us are fine with our bluetoothless phones. So in my house, none of these are really gonna make too much of a difference. And hopefully we can.. somehow.. hook up the appleTV with the surround sound and projector. Maybe I'll get it for his birthday or something. Which was.. what, two weeks ago? Well, he's gonna have to wait a little for it. I guess. Wow, this has turned into a blog. Anyways, there was nothing on macs throughout the presentation unless you count the occasional "Syncs with your mac or PC" Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 ... here's an amazing product that no one can offord... Steve Jobs just clearly stated on CNBC that the price of iPhones will be dropping as soon as possible. He wants everyone to have to one, like an iPod. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimms Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm really disappointed about the AppleTV. You have to sync it to watch it? Thats just stupid. It comes with a 40Gb HDD so you can't sync everything, you have this stupid notion of syncing unwatched stuff or choosing what to sync. I just wanted a nice interface on my TV to my existing mass storage. We've got close to 750Gb of ripped DVDs or downloaded TV, even if the AppleTV lets you upgrade the HDD whats the point of have two copies of everything? I thought it would be an interface, not a duplication. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimms Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I might have spoken too soon, from the Apple Page: Apple TV streams as well as it syncs, so you can pair up to five additional computers and let friends and family stream their iTunes libraries to your TV. Apple TV stores up to 50 hours of video, ready to watch when you are. And if iTunes is still syncing what you want to see — or if you don’t want to sync at all — you can watch a stream from your computer right away. So maybe you don't have to sync to be able to watch. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrjrr Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 These shows are largely marketing events. People are going to upgrade to Leo and the i'07 apps without much marketing required to inspire them to do it. So Steve spent all his time selling the NEW product that will generate NEW sales for Apple that would not be there at all without this NEW product. They probably assume that 80% - 90% of the existing customers will upgrade within say 6 months of major software releases. It is money they can count on, regardless of anything else. But if they can move the projected iPhone share from 1% of the market to 2%, because of 2 hours spent pumping it this morning, they get a much better return. And from the initial media buzz, it looks like Steve did a great job on that this morning. I'm sure the stuff we all seem to be more interested will still be announced and released soon enough. They just don't really need the prime-time coverage the way new things do. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 As for Leopard I don;t think saying nothing would be my prime choice if I were Jobs since I know Vista is not out yet, but the RTM version will be the version shipping on January 30th. Do any of actually believe that Microsoft could actually take these "TOP SECRET" features and make them their own working on Vista while also being stable by the 30th? I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen and if they are to copy these features then they will add them with their next service pack for Vista after Leopard ships. So either way, if they plan to copy they could at a later time, but at this point there is nothing Microsoft could put together in this time frame. So they should have gave us at least a little sneak peek or shipping date instead of talking about the iPhone for an hour and a half. I think you are missing the point here, the mainstream press does not want to hear about Leopard now, they are busy with Vista. Once Vista comes out and people deal with, then Apple can hype Leopard. Timing is critical. Apple just stomped Zune, big time. The timing is almost perfect, Microsoft laid their hand down first and then Apple trumped it. I wonder how the iPhone is going to handle sharing songs wirelessly. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm really disappointed about the AppleTV... I am not really that thrilled with this thing either. What are you supposed to hook this up to? A Mac Mini, a Mac Pro, an iMac or what... a PC? I mean, none of the choices are really acceptable. This is a nice accessory, but Apple still needs some kind of HTPC/Mid-Tower based on Conroe. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimms Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Yeah, we've got a machine that holds all our files, and we connect to it, (a combination of PC and Mac in this house), the iTV would sync with that I and stream off that I guess. Also who likes iTV better than AppleTV? I was hoping for some iconic name for it. The iPod wasn't called iMusic or iSongs. It was Pod which is something unique. And why drop the i prefix for anyway? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 And why drop the i prefix for anyway? Someone else already owned the "iTV" trademark: http://www.itv.com/ Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFNITE Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I am not really that thrilled with this thing either. What are you supposed to hook this up to? A Mac Mini, a Mac Pro, an iMac or what... a PC? I mean, none of the choices are really acceptable. This is a nice accessory, but Apple still needs some kind of HTPC/Mid-Tower based on Conroe. lets say you have a few computers in your house. For ex, lets say a family has a PowerBook, a MacBook, an iMac and a PowerMac G5, and each computer has its own music, movie as well as photo library. you install the Apple TV in your livingroom, hook it up to your HDTV and your stereo system, and you can stream all of the media in your house using wireless with a nice Front-Row like interface. it's a pretty good idea, and it would be even better if it served as some sort of DVR at the same time. Nice and simplified media-center without all the clutter and gets the job done. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe75 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Nice and simplified media-center without all the clutter and gets the job done. I do this now, it's called a router I have been streaming my TV, music and movies for a long time, all without apple Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFNITE Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 my router doesnt display a media interface on the TV.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 lets say you have a few computers in your house... I understand this, but that is not the way I do things. I want a box that sits next to a TV screen which looks like this, that I can easily copy disks on (two external bays), holds four internal hard drives (for lots space of expandable space to store movies) that works with a remote (for total control of the TV, video and audio) and that has some slick video jut-box software. Then if I want to pipe output from an HTPC to other TVs with AppleTV or whatever, fine, it is a secondary issue. Essentially, I want a "video Server", the Mac Pro is closest thing Apple offers, but neither its form nor specifications are not right for this application. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I am *very* disappointed. I am a computer geek (hardware and software, especially operating systems) Other gadgets are of little or no interest to me. Cell phones? If I can talk that is all I need. I have two old mobiles (over 5 years) which serve me fine. Listening to music? At home with my HI-FI. Television? A 7 years old, 20" one, plus a video recorder and a cheap DVD player. Thus Apple getting rid the of the "Computer" part in its name can only mean bad news for me. What really worries me is that *if* Apple loses interest in computers, that could make Microsoft monopoly even stronger. And no, Linux is no real competition (said by an old Linux geek) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_muad_dib Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) Thus Apple getting rid the of the "Computer" part of its name can only mean bad news for me.What really worries me is that *if* Apple loses interest in computers, that could make Microsoft monopoly even stronger. nahh, i don't think it will gonna be that bad. i mean.. ipod and itv are toys, the iphone is a toy for geeks/entusiasts with a little market(imo). do you think APPLE will survive just selling expensive toys and ipods? APPLE sells computer and always will Edited January 10, 2007 by lord_muad_dib Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 nahh, i don't think it will gonna be that bad. i mean.. ipod and itv are toys, the iphone is a toy for geeks/entusiasts with a little market(imo).do you think APPLE will survive just selling expensive toys and ipods? APPLE sells computer and always will I hope you are right, I really do. And yes, gadgets are toys. I have seen that you are an adult and Italian, just like me, so I expected we would have similar opinions. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/38150-anyone-else-thoroughly-dispointed/#findComment-272717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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