mitch_de Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Never had such an problem: If i boot without verbose mode (-v) the boot process KPs very early (by kernel itself before .kext usage). With -v never KPs - tested many times. Can it be some timing problem (or prob with chameleon) that not happen if kernel must write out verbose informations? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoiX Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 This used to happen to me on Lion if i used old kernel versions or an old AICPUPM kext. Maybe this is the same case? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 I installed 10.8.2 over 10.8.1 and had not used any (older) .kext / patches. I would understand that some other flags like not using kextcache would make such an problem. But verbose - difference to normal mode is only switching late to video mode and the verbose logging takes some ns time each write so screen. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusers Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It happen to me when i first installed M.Lion, but mine wasn't kernal panic but the Monitor just went out and stay out. What happen were the Graphic enabler in the string set to "No" instead of "Yes" in the com,boot.plist. 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcork Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Have you tried rebuilding the kernel cache? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yes, i rebuild kernel cache - not helped. I went from Chameleon 2035 to 2050 - and it gets even worse (graphicsenabler fails + c+P States fail)- same settings in .plist. Chimera (same .plist) seems to work now. Strange Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
artur_pt Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 hi seems chameleon problem try to use a old version of chameleon, i test several but i'm using enoch 1970 so many releases of chameleon, maybe some mess in trunk good hack Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eep357 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Well if it makes you feel any better, 10.8.2 re-broke Handsoff!, with same error as before. It looks like it's just the network monitor part that doesn't work. As for Chameleon, actually switched to current Chimera branch when I rebuilt my RAID-0 array as all other versions seemed to have problems building the cache on boot helper partition, but always boot verbose with no gui too. Not sure if verbose effects boot speed, but Chameleon gui slows it down a lot, verbose or regular, until it passes off to OSX to finish booting. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 I must comment that Chimera 1.11.1 works same as Chameleon 2035 - with -v no problem. Without -v KP very early in boot process. 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnssaienlyMac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 It happen to me when i first installed M.Lion, but mine wasn't kernal panic but the Monitor just went out and stay out. What happen were the Graphic enabler in the string set to "No" instead of "Yes" in the com,boot.plist. Yep! you're right, same thing happened to me and "GraphicsEnabler=Yes" was missing from the com.boot.plist. I CONFIRM! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 I checked bdmesg log (chimera) booting OK with -v: boot: Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist] 290 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/Extra/org.chameleon.Boot.plist] 572 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist] 479 bytes. Loading Darwin 10.8 Loading kernel cache /System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 4096 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 16606187 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/Extra/DSDT.aml] 11840 bytes. Using PCI-Root-UID value: 1 nVidia GeForce 9600 GT 512MB NV94 [10de:0622] :: PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x1,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0) LAN Controller [10ec:8168] :: PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x1c,0x4)/Pci(0x0,0x0) Setting up lan keys Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,1)/Extra/smbios.plist] 839 bytes. Intel P35/G33 DRAM Controller [8086:29c0] at 00:00.0 Why does chameleon / chimera reads kextcache twice? Can someone check that message part (kextcache) with other OS X version (Lion, or ML 10.8.0/.1) ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
artur_pt Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 hi with rev 1970 in 10.8.1 Loading Darwin 10.8 Loading kernel cache /System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 4096 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 17747984 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/Extra/DSDT.aml] 57703 bytes. i go see in 10.8.2 also and post good hack hi with same chameleon in 10.8.2 Loading Darwin 10.8 Loading kernel cache /System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 4096 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/System/Library/Caches/com.apple.kext.caches/Startup/kernelcache] 18073676 bytes. Read HFS+ file: [hd(0,2)/Extra/DSDT.aml] 57703 bytes. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 so that twice kernelcache log seems not the prob - perhaps first 4K read is the filename read (normal). Some detail in deep must be the diff why kernel panics without -v (timing? / kernel works little different using verbose?) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
segfault Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 my system is Supermicro C2SBX (X38/ich9r) E8400 8GB DDR3 this beta update 10.8.2 hangs my boot my tested bootloader: Enoch 1970,2035,2044,2050,chimera 1,1 fakesmc is kozlek symptoms: -v boot hangs over: SMC: Succesfully Initialized waitForSystemMapper Backtrace 0xffffff8000588f7e sorry my bad english. edited: all other osx 10.6.x-10.7.x-10.8.1 working without problem Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 I got order from the voodooproject team to test kernelflag keepsyms=y without -v GREAT !! keepsyms=y without -v helps to avoid KP (on my 10.8.2 system) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eep357 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Do we know what this flag means or does? keep system state? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakusson Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I have 10.8 and is using Chimera 1.11 to boot. I am having same problem. While booting without -v, I get kernel panic so I've to boot always in verbose mode. However, I repaired the permission using disk utility and for the next boot, I had no problem. But it comes back again. I will try to boot using keepsyms=y now. I have 10.8 and is using Chimera 1.11 to boot. I am having same problem. While booting without -v, I get kernel panic so I've to boot always in verbose mode. However, I repaired the permission using disk utility and for the next boot, I had no problem. But it comes back again. I will try to boot using keepsyms=y now. Tried to boot with 'keepsyms=y' using Chimera 1.11, got kernel panic. I I then used Chameleon 2.1svn-r2048 and could boot successfully without -v option. Very strange. I don't use chameleon because I would not be able to use my trackpad but If I boot from Chimera my trackpad works!!! Again, very strange. I have Elantech trackpad. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 I also use Chimera 1.11.1 and keepsyms=y worked (without -v) Perhaps you mistyped the keepsyms =y and then , whitout any error message the flag was ignored. (simple type keepsyms=y behind boot: without any chars before and after and try again) EDIT: Devs told that that kernelflag should not help to aviod KP, it gives more info in the KP log if KP happens. I tried first time (after >10 times KP) without -v and without keep . no KP. Strange - but i dont think my hardware is instable/reason. Something other must be the problem. If someone gas also KP with keepsyms =y please take foto and post it here. Devs need that extra info for further checks. I will do same of i get an KP back using keepsyms =y Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1847839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mianos Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I also use Chimera 1.11.1 and keepsyms=y worked (without -v) Perhaps you mistyped the keepsyms =y and then , whitout any error message the flag was ignored. (simple type keepsyms=y behind boot: without any chars before and after and try again) EDIT: Devs told that that kernelflag should not help to aviod KP, it gives more info in the KP log if KP happens. I tried first time (after >10 times KP) without -v and without keep . no KP. Strange - but i dont think my hardware is instable/reason. Something other must be the problem. If someone gas also KP with keepsyms =y please take foto and post it here. Devs need that extra info for further checks. I will do same of i get an KP back using keepsyms =y same here, upgraded to 10.8.2 with combo updater. now i often can't boot. Here is my setup: Bootloader, current chimera from [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url]...: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> <dict> <key>EthernetBuiltIn</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>GenerateCStates</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>GeneratePStates</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>Graphics Mode</key> <string>1920x1200x32</string> <key>GraphicsEnabler</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>Kernel Flags</key> <string>[b]keepsyms=y[/b] debug=0x100 darkwake=0</string> <key>Timeout</key> <string>5</string> </dict> </plist> hang on boot - PCI Configuration Begin - IOPCIFamily kext from here: http://netkas.org/?p=1053 Mainboard is the well known Asus IPIBL-LB (in a bunch of HP machines, a lot of these are running OSx86) VoodooHDA 2.7.4 with edits: Problem: kernel panic. Solution 1: remove AppleHDA and restart the system before installing VoodooHDA. Solution 2: edit Info.plist, replace the key IOPCIClassMatch by IOPCIPrimaryMatch and put the PCI ID of your audio card in string. Before Code: <key>IOPCIClassMatch</key> <string>0x04030000&0xffff0000</string> After Code: <key>IOPCIPrimaryMatch</key> <string>293e8086</string> Graphics Card is an AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB everything worked fine.. since the combo update 10.8.2 Here is a photo of kernel panic with keepsyms=y: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1854301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andro17 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 if in -v -x mode your mac start, the problem is in the kext that you have installed in 10.8.1. In -x -v mode the os use the original kexts. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1855689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch_de Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 I would try to use , beside the patched AppleACPIPlatform.kext a,so an older but unpatched (ML) IOPCI and IOUSBFamily.kext. Your screenshoot shows KP last used USBkext. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1855883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mianos Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 ok, big mistake here: i just thougd i was using netkas' patched IOPCIFamily... but is just used it on 10.8.0 - i guess there came an updated ket with 10.8.1 !? Why am i thinking this? the kext from netkas is this one: netkas-IOPCIFamily.kext.zip i restored whole disk to a 10.8.1 backup, it boots fine! this is the kext i use under 10.8.1: 10_8_1_IOPCIFamily.kext.zip can some one check if this is a vanilla 10.8.1 kext? i will try to update to 10.8.2 again... 10_8_1_IOPCIFamily.kext.zip netkas-IOPCIFamily.kext.zip Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1856218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mianos Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 back on 10.8.2 ... after 6 fine boots i get a kernel panic..... restart panic, restart panic, turn of for a while: boots. this is my boot-config: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd"> <plist version="1.0"> <dict> <key>EthernetBuiltIn</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>Graphics Mode</key> <string>1920x1200x32</string> <key>GraphicsEnabler</key> <string>Yes</string> <key>Kernel Flags</key> <string>darkwake=0</string> <key>Timeout</key> <string>5</string> </dict> </plist> i get different panics: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/282199-1082-strange-kernel-panic-if-not-using-v-verbose/#findComment-1856227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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