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What do you guys think about china, frankly, they scare me a little, the thing that gets me the most is the lack of human rights, given thats not as important to the people of china, but...one shouldnt be thrown in prison just for voicing their opinion right? What are your guy's thoughts.

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Well i've been to China a couple of times in the past year and to be honest i think it's not as bad as the general public thinks it is. Yes there are cases of corruption in local government but most chinese i have spoken to are not afraid to speak out against it. As a holiday destination i would heartily recommend beijing or a little known far less western city called xining in Qinghai province.

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The whole Taiwan thing is really kinda sad/funny to me. Isn't it the case that, after the civil war, both Taiwan and China declared to be the "true" China and control the other?

 

Killbot, to answer your question, I'm not really afraid of China - I wish they'd clean up their human rights issues and stop blocking progress with North Korea, but that's about it.

killbot1000
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The whole Taiwan thing is really kinda sad/funny to me. Isn't it the case that, after the civil war, both Taiwan and China declared to be the "true" China and control the other?

 

Killbot, to answer your question, I'm not really afraid of China - I wish they'd clean up their human rights issues and stop blocking progress with North Korea, but that's about it.

 

Well, im not afraid of them personally, that probably was a bad choice of words, I mean that im afraid for their people, they deserve basic rights anyway, is what im trying to say.

 

And although action isnt usually taken against people who speak out, theres no reason why action cant be taken, and thats a little scary. It seems like we might have another cold war on our hands in the future heheh.

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China is the next opposing superpower. Throughout history, be it Athens, Rome, or France, superpowers have both destroyed one enemy superpower, and then have been eaten up by another. Athens controlled all of Greece, only to be conquered by Sparta. Rome defeated Carthage, only to be overrun by Gothic tribes. France dominated Europe, only to be defeated by Britain. I see the USSR as America's first Superpower enemy, and China as its second. Indicators like oil consumption and national production point to a future with China dominating the world.

 

It is inevitable that Maoism in China will give way to Civil Rights; with riches comes the ability to keep citizens complacent without force. However, America might succumb to Chinese industrial might years before a war, thus making it easy pickings. Future historians may look at the Middle East Wars as the turning point, when America gave way to China, and the balance of power moved to the East.

johnniecarcinogen
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China is the next opposing superpower. Throughout history, be it Athens, Rome, or France, superpowers have both destroyed one enemy superpower, and then have been eaten up by another. Athens controlled all of Greece, only to be conquered by Sparta. Rome defeated Carthage, only to be overrun by Gothic tribes. France dominated Europe, only to be defeated by Britain. I see the USSR as America's first Superpower enemy, and China as its second. Indicators like oil consumption and national production point to a future with China dominating the world.

 

It is inevitable that Maoism in China will give way to Civil Rights; with riches comes the ability to keep citizens complacent without force. However, America might succumb to Chinese industrial might years before a war, thus making it easy pickings. Future historians may look at the Middle East Wars as the turning point, when America gave way to China, and the balance of power moved to the East.

The picture of the 'lone protester' that stood in the way of the tank in Tiananmen Square will be an image I will never forget. But I think the issue of China being the next superpower is exaggerated. As long as China makes lower quality products and is a vast source of cheap labor, they will only be supporting the dominance of the G-7 nations which now rely on China. The only way China could become a superpower is by innovation and technological advances which does not happen enough in China because of the poor protection of intellectual property and the fact that there is simply less individual motive to innovate in a communist society.

 

An interesting short video on Tiananmen Square during the 1989 massacre of prodemocratic students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfwzlwUqSDM

another_earthling
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Can someone tell me why China is a communist country? I mean look at china, almost every private company worth its dime in the world has a factory there. All China cares about is money,money,money. It looks like a total captalist country to me. Apart from how the government functions and is structured dont you think China is not a communist country? Its really weird. Someone explain.

killbot1000
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Can someone tell me why China is a communist country? I mean look at china, almost every private company worth its dime in the world has a factory there. All China cares about is money,money,money. It looks like a total captalist country to me. Apart from how the government functions and is structured dont you think China is not a communist country? Its really weird. Someone explain.

 

 

Its not really communist, it just pretends to be, and by communism, i mean karl marx's definition of communism. Its not exactly capitalist either, I dunno, china is going off on their own little tangent from the rest of the world heheh

rick taylor
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Didn't China open up their markets round about the same time they took back Hong Kong? They've been on the up and up since then it seems.

 

I don't think China is anything to be scared of, Tiananmen Square was bad but nothing worse than we have seen in the west. All nations commit atrocities on their own people from time to time, one doesn't have to look to far back in history to find examples in US or British history.

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Didn't China open up their markets round about the same time they took back Hong Kong? They've been on the up and up since then it seems.

 

I don't think China is anything to be scared of, Tiananmen Square was bad but nothing worse than we have seen in the west. All nations commit atrocities on their own people from time to time, one doesn't have to look to far back in history to find examples in US or British history.

 

But its still wrong, right?

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Well, I have a thought about China. As you all know, I'm normally shy about voicing my opinions... but here goes.

 

China has lots of people. China also has lots of people who want lots of energy. China has lots of people who want to own cars, and China thinks that's cool.

 

What that means is that China's gonna start getting into the "Me want oil, you go f*ck yourself" game, which so far, the US has played superbly. The conflict is inevitable, and it'll mean war. With gas prices going up and up and up, now seems like a good time to... switch to something else.

 

In fact, my proposal goes something like this.

 

Bush to China Supreme Leader dude.

 

"Hey China Supreme Leader dude. I have an idea. You want oil right? Well, we understand, and we kinda want to get out of the business. So, let's make a deal. We get North America, South America, Europe and Australia. You get Asia and Africa. It's yours, we're tired of it. Go Hog Wild!"

 

Let's see how the Uncivilized World prefers the Red Army to GI Joe.

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terminator
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The picture of the 'lone protester' that stood in the way of the tank in Tiananmen Square will be an image I will never forget. But I think the issue of China being the next superpower is exaggerated. As long as China makes lower quality products and is a vast source of cheap labor, they will only be supporting the dominance of the G-7 nations which now rely on China. The only way China could become a superpower is by innovation and technological advances which does not happen enough in China because of the poor protection of intellectual property and the fact that there is simply less individual motive to innovate in a communist society.

 

An interesting short video on Tiananmen Square during the 1989 massacre of prodemocratic students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfwzlwUqSDM

 

Who is that brave guy in front of the Tanks. Can Any body give info about him. Personal info?

OryHara
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I hate to be the one to bring this up... but China is KILLING our jobs. My uncle works for Benchcraft in Blue Mt. MS. (yea, ill say who) and works on a cutting line. They have reduced everyone's workweek down to 3 days a week, and sometimes 2 days. They have outsourced %95 of their workforce to China. I say if Benchcraft likes China so much, they can move their whole damn operation over there, and get the f*** out of America and sell their cheap {censored} to the Chinese. After all, that seems to be who they like so much. If they don't want our workforce, then it is obvious they don't want our business.

 

Next time you buy furniture... I hope you consider what I wrote.

killbot1000
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yknow, in my opinion, i dont really care if something is made in china, I just want a product thats high quality, ive found that products that are made in america cost a little more money, but they last much longer (personal experience here), so i suffer a little longer, save up a little more money and buy it, because its the better product, I will also pay a little more for better service, price isnt everything *cough* Wal-Mart *cough*.

 

And china isnt really TAKING all our jobs, they are taking our manufacturing jobs, our "union" jobs so to speak. Theres got to be tons of different jobs that are more like office jobs and {censored}. And yes, its harder to get a job, but its not really anybodys fault. After WW2, pretty much the only country that wasnt ground to a pulp was the USA, that gave us 50 years of unparalleled prosperity, those 50 years are now coming to an end, and its up to us to find a way to adapt to it, or be left behind. To balance the scale, make companies pay taxes whether they have their business out of this country or not, if they are based in america (an american company) they have to pay taxes anyway. regardless of what country their operations are in...

OryHara
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balance the scale, make companies pay taxes whether they have their business out of this country or not, if they are based in america (an american company) they have to pay taxes anyway. regardless of what country their operations are in...

good point. If they have workers outside they US. make them pay taxes on those workers like they do here in the US. And make them pay more. And no tax breaks because they are 'big'. If I have to pay %35 of my money to the government, why does Micro$hit have to pay only %19? Thats not really fair. I guess this year they will just have to bust me for tax evasion, because Im going to make SURE they don't get anymore than %19.

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