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Trying to show off and look rich, and don't know jack {censored} about computers.

Y'know, it's quite possible to know quite a bit about a computer, and still want to show off (typically to your less-knowledgeable friends with Toshiba's and Dell's) -_-.

 

So you're willing to spend an additional $800 so that it comes in a shiny aluminum case? That sounds pretty stupid to me.

If you have the additional $800, why not? Would I be driving a Toyota if I could afford a Mercedes?

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Y'know, it's quite possible to know quite a bit about a computer, and still want to show off (typically to your less-knowledgeable friends with Toshiba's and Dell's) -_- .

 

 

If you have the additional $800, why not? Would I be driving a Toyota if I could afford a Mercedes?

 

because it's ostentatious and an unnecessary waste of money.

 

Most Mercedes/BMW drivers are snotty "I'm better than you because I have money" {censored}s. Just like most Mac owners.

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In terms of power, Giampaolo's third primary need, the "recommended configuration" of the HP Pavilion HDX 16t that he apparently purchased ships with a 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo P7450 paired with 4GB of PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM, which is a slower memory architecture than Apple was shipping in early 2006 MacBooks three years ago.

 

The latest MacBooks that Giampaolo feared were "all about aesthetics" pair a Core 2 Duo P7350 or P8600 with PC3-8500 DDR3 RAM, delivering a peak transfer rate that's twice as fast as the HP machine Giampaolo selected.

 

So much for Macs being about "aesthetics more than they are the computing power," or Giampaolo being "technically savvy."

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04...ting_power.html

 

Microsoft has released another ad and this time their claim is Mac's are about aesthetics not power.

 

Again Microsoft is comparing a piece of junk to Mac's

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One of the biggest reasons why PCs don't cost as much compared to Macs, is PCs are so cheap to make. It's not just the software, it's the hardware. The fact that you can build your own PC. I can almost guarantee you, that if Apple made a Mac that you can fully customize, meaning choosing from a list of chipsets, cpus, basically building your own Mac that apple handles, it wouldn't be as much to make it. PCs have gotten so many in numbers, it basically has to be cheap to sell anything. It sounds weird, and I'm trying to word it as best as I can, but not doing a good job of it. lol

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God, so much flaming goes on on the internets about the Mac vs. PC thing! Ever look at CNet posts about Macs? They automatically get 300 comments on any article where Mac vs. PC virtues are examined...

 

Here are some real facts, people:

 

Apple computers are great. Their overall design is top-notch.

When you go to comparing the innards of a cheaper PC that can benchmark as well as a more expensive Mac, that does show a certain gap in price-to-performance and all BUT it leaves out things like the incredibly great aluminum "brick" design of the MacBooks, and the wonderful solid aluminum wind-tunnel case of the Mac Pro [and good ole' Power Mac G5].

Apple wraps their computers in some of the world's best cases. Just look at how many hackintoshers are doing the G5 case mod.

Every Mac comes preloaded with a wealth of great software, most PC's do not.

Apple laptops' LCD screens are some of the best around. My 6-year-old iBook with a 12" screen can display 1024x768 pixels. How many other 12" LCDs can do that? And obviously the bigger LCDs have much higher resolution.

Macs last a long time - typically remaining functional much longer than the average PC. There's actually an old Apple Quadra 650 from the mid-90's at my mom's house that still works. It was my first personal computer.

 

Here's another fact for ya: Macs are just fuçkin' better than PCs!

 

All the people who think you have to be a snob or rich to own a Mac need to get over their problems. Many very humble, honorable, and genuinely nice people own Macs because they want to have a good computer that is easy to maintain - not because they want something to show off.

In fact, there are plenty of PC nerds who build blinged-out glowing PCs just to show off.

Owning a genuine Apple Macintosh does not make you dumb, computer illiterate, trendy, or snobbish.

 

I am tired of people who do not know what they are talking about bashing Macs as inferior or some kind of fashion statement. This message is brought to you by an extremely technologically savvy Information Technology professional. I do know exactly what the fuçk I am talking about.

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"I'm a PC, because I'm picky" HA! Epic Line! What a freaking epic n00b!

 

What is it with these idiots that know nothing about computers complaining about aesthetics and wither they're cool enough :P

 

At least Apple doesn't have Steve Ballmer!

 

Click to see my reason:

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God, so much flaming goes on on the internets about the Mac vs. PC thing! Ever look at CNet posts about Macs? They automatically get 300 comments on any article where Mac vs. PC virtues are examined...

 

Here are some real facts, people:

 

Apple computers are great. Their overall design is top-notch.

When you go to comparing the innards of a cheaper PC that can benchmark as well as a more expensive Mac, that does show a certain gap in price-to-performance and all BUT it leaves out things like the incredibly great aluminum "brick" design of the MacBooks, and the wonderful solid aluminum wind-tunnel case of the Mac Pro [and good ole' Power Mac G5].

Apple wraps their computers in some of the world's best cases. Just look at how many hackintoshers are doing the G5 case mod.

Every Mac comes preloaded with a wealth of great software, most PC's do not.

Apple laptops' LCD screens are some of the best around. My 6-year-old iBook with a 12" screen can display 1024x768 pixels. How many other 12" LCDs can do that? And obviously the bigger LCDs have much higher resolution.

Macs last a long time - typically remaining functional much longer than the average PC. There's actually an old Apple Quadra 650 from the mid-90's at my mom's house that still works. It was my first personal computer.

 

Here's another fact for ya: Macs are just fuçkin' better than PCs!

 

All the people who think you have to be a snob or rich to own a Mac need to get over their problems. Many very humble, honorable, and genuinely nice people own Macs because they want to have a good computer that is easy to maintain - not because they want something to show off.

In fact, there are plenty of PC nerds who build blinged-out glowing PCs just to show off.

Owning a genuine Apple Macintosh does not make you dumb, computer illiterate, trendy, or snobbish.

 

I am tired of people who do not know what they are talking about bashing Macs as inferior or some kind of fashion statement. This message is brought to you by an extremely technologically savvy Information Technology professional. I do know exactly what the fuçk I am talking about.

 

If you're buying the computer for it's casing, and not for it's performance - you're being superficial. You might as well buy a Mattel children's toy computer because it's cute, regardless of the fact that it doesn't actually function like an adult's computer.

 

And yeah - you really can't argue that Mac's aren't targeted at the rich or snobby people, when you just said it yourself: people are willing to pay more money for an ostentatious shiny aluminum case - regardless of the fact that the contents of which are NO BETTER (in fact they benchmark much slower) than a FAR less expensive PC equivalent. Think about that for a minute. You just made your own argument moot by trying to point out that the only benefit you get with a Mac is the crappy aluminum case it comes in. LOL.

 

Also, Macs are targeted for home users, and basic dummy proof use. They are not professional work environment friendly.

 

For example try running:

 

AutoDesk AutoCAD (any version)

3Dmax

Deltek or Timberline Accounting ( or really any professional accounting package)

Enterprise level SQL Management software

 

or any of the long list of other Windows-only major business applications. Oh, that's right - you can't! But wait - you can run them in parallels! So then you can admit that you do NEED Windows, and then force yourself to run it at 1/5th the speed it was designed, with all kinds of driver and peripheral problems!!! Boy, is that the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

 

The fact is, Apple used to be lauded for their "graphics and design" orientation as a creative platform. But they lost their focus. Now they focused on making shiny pretty cases, and iPods, and other consumer grade crapola. They took themselves out of the race for being any sort of computer standard. They now compete with Sony, not Microsoft.

 

Autodesk products are THE industry standard in the Architectural, Civil, and Structural Design industry, yet NONE of their products are available for the Mac. Makes you wonder when the Industry leading software company, who provides the industry standard design software for the most profitable Design business sector in the world doesn't want to bother with you.

 

Have fun with your Mac, Mr. IT professional guy/Starbucks Barista. Let us know when you grow up and and look for a real job. Maybe I'll hire you as a help desk slug for my firm.

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If you're buying the computer for it's casing, and not for it's performance - you're being superficial. You might as well buy a Mattel children's toy computer because it's cute, regardless of the fact that it doesn't actually function like an adult's computer.

 

And yeah - you really can't argue that Mac's aren't targeted at the rich or snobby people, when you just said it yourself: people are willing to pay more money for an ostentatious shiny aluminum case - regardless of the fact that the contents of which are NO BETTER (in fact they benchmark much slower) than a FAR less expensive PC equivalent. Think about that for a minute. You just made your own argument moot by trying to point out that the only benefit you get with a Mac is the crappy aluminum case it comes in. LOL.

 

Also, Macs are targeted for home users, and basic dummy proof use. They are not professional work environment friendly.

 

For example try running:

 

AutoDesk AutoCAD (any version)

3Dmax

Deltek or Timberline Accounting ( or really any professional accounting package)

Enterprise level SQL Management software

 

or any of the long list of other Windows-only major business applications. Oh, that's right - you can't! But wait - you can run them in parallels! So then you can admit that you do NEED Windows, and then force yourself to run it at 1/5th the speed it was designed, with all kinds of driver and peripheral problems!!! Boy, is that the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

 

The fact is, Apple used to be lauded for their "graphics and design" orientation as a creative platform. But they lost their focus. Now they focused on making shiny pretty cases, and iPods, and other consumer grade crapola. They took themselves out of the race for being any sort of computer standard. They now compete with Sony, not Microsoft.

 

Autodesk products are THE industry standard in the Architectural, Civil, and Structural Design industry, yet NONE of their products are available for the Mac. Makes you wonder when the Industry leading software company, who provides the industry standard design software for the most profitable Design business sector in the world doesn't want to bother with you.

 

Have fun with your Mac, Mr. IT professional guy/Starbucks Barista. Let us know when you grow up and and look for a real job. Maybe I'll hire you as a help desk slug for my firm.

 

I will make you eat your words, dickcheese.

You are misquoting me to say that I said "it's only the casing" because I said it's a combination of the overall world-class design, software, and components (LCDs etc).

As for Macs "not being professional work environment ready" or whatever, listen to this: I administrate a small business network of ALL PCs. That's about 50 computers, mostly Dell mfr'd, connecting to a set of 2 Dell PowerEdge servers running Windows Server 2003. This business brings in about $1,000,000 per month (I also do their monthly taxes for them).

With all these PCs, I am constantly fixing problems that are mostly things that don't happen to Macs, like Windows rot, spyware, DLL errors, and user error because the programs don't make sense to a natural human brain. Occasionally, there are things that none of the PCs can do, which I use the 1 Mac on my desk to handle.

For example, our website needed to be backed up two weeks ago. This is a very large and complex website, comprised of around 200,000 files but only about 3 GB in size. Using a Dell system with AMD processor, I attempted to FTP this site to my hard drive. Every program I tried failed, because there were just too many files for it to comprehend. I got on the Mac and ran Cyberduck FTP, and it chugged along downloading everything I told it to without fail. I even downloaded it to the Dell system via a shared folder, using that Mac. So not only was the Mac OS able to handle a larger amount of files, it had to work harder to send them over the network to the Dell/AMD system after they were received. Then when it came time to move that website backup to another network drive for archival, the Dell system couldn't even move all those files off its own hard drive! It kept saying "Error. Copy Failed. The filename is too long." because there were nested directories 20-odd deep within this website backup. Well, I just used the Mac again, to reach into the Dell system's shared folder and copy it across the network to the archival network drive. No problem. Then I wanted to delete the backup off of my Dell work system, and it failed yet again with same error. What did I do? Used the Mac to delete it through the network. No problem.

So basically when the PCs fail, it's Mac to the rescue. I also produce web videos with iMovie for the company on this Mac. I tried to do some of the video encoding on the fastest PC in the building, because it is faster than my 1 Mac at work, but it failed every time. It could not change a 1.2GB video file into anything else. But I put the file back into the Mac (where it came from of course) and it took on the task without complaint. It took hours of course, but they won't pony up for a Mac Pro since budgets are tighter now.

This 1 little Mac laptop is like the Swiss Army Knife of getting anything done in my Windows network.

 

As for AutoCAD and boring Accounting software not being available for Mac OS X, I consider that a failure on the part of AutoDesk and the boring Accounting software firms, since they write the programs, not Apple. And I consider the fact that the Mac hardware can still boot Windows to run the incompatible software to be a great asset, rather than some kind of weakness.

So my point would be overall that Macs are capable of doing more than PCs.

And what's even better is that now you can build your own and customize it thanks to the great work of people in this community. But if I could afford it, I would totally buy a bigass 17" Macbook Pro and a top-of-the-line Mac Pro. Since I am not rich (or even close to it) yet, I have to improvise to get things done.

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You'll make me eat my words, huh?

 

 

read you post back to yourself. Slowly, if need be.

 

You just admitted that you're a horrible Sys Admin, because you claim to manage a business that "brings in $1,000,000 a month", yet you've left their corporate network and workstations open to viruses and spyware? Do they not have a corporate firewall appliance? Do you not deploy Anti-virus and Spyware protection? Do you not filter their browsing content to keep them from surfing to porn and other notoriously computer filth ridden websites? You don't have backup systems in place or windows network deployed cleanup scripts for clearing out temp file rot and running normal maintenance routines on a scheduled basis?

 

It also sounds like you can't even Google correctly. You want an FTP solution? Try Filezilla. Multi-Platform, Free, and easily the most powerful and reliable FTP client and Server side product available. I used it to migrate 6 TB worth of Project data when we consolidated to a new central Project file NAS unit at my firm this past January. Without a hitch. All Dell servers and workstations here too.

 

This stuff is absolutely basic Sys Admin 101 knowledge.

 

Sounds like they need a new Admin, because you're clearly not up to the task.

 

The funny part is when you referred to accounting software as "Boring" even though you claim to "do their taxes" - LOL. You just tipped your hand junior. Why not go back to the AOL {censored} chat room and come back when you have a clue?

 

and while you're over there, learn to use paragraphs so that people can read your idiotic rants without their eyes going buggy from your crazy run-on sentences.

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Please just stop being so childish and let it be everyone's own concern what they buy. Underball, you can come to the Apple store when I buy the next one and try to keep me from doing it, if you wish (I'd like to see that :D). Personally, I don't give a *********************** what kind of system you use and what I prefer is none of your business. My iMac is at my apartment, and I'm not carrying it out onto the streets to boast with it. I am 100% happy with it, far happier than I have ever been with a PC, whether you like it or not. If you don't, I don't give a ******************** - none of your business really. If you want to buy me a new system, you are free to decide, though :)

 

DukeRaoul: There's no denying though that for businesses, PCs are more suitable - that's why you don't have 50 Macs and one PC, eh? :)

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because it's ostentatious and an unnecessary waste of money.

 

Most Mercedes/BMW drivers are snotty "I'm better than you because I have money" {censored}s. Just like most Mac owners.

You probably have a point.

 

However, my main issue is with the tech knowledge vs type-of-computer thing. I bought a MacBook because I wanted something that would be the least hassle for school. And also, because I like OS X, and didn't want to mess with OSX86 on a machine that I *need* to work properly at all times (I leave the OSX86 stuff for my desktop). Admittedly, I don't have an incredible number of issues with Windows, but they seem to appear more than on OS X. When I speak of hassle, I'm mostly thinking of hardware issues. Most people I know buy Acer's and Toshiba's and such, and they all seem to break down pretty quick.

 

I'm doing a computer science degree, so I'd like to think I know a thing or two about a computer. Could I fix my own problems on a Windows/Linux PC? Sure. But I don't want to. And this is the case for a lot of people. The general public doesn't *want* to deal with learning the ins and outs of their system.

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You probably have a point.

 

However, my main issue is with the tech knowledge vs type-of-computer thing. I bought a MacBook because I wanted something that would be the least hassle for school. And also, because I like OS X, and didn't want to mess with OSX86 on a machine that I *need* to work properly at all times (I leave the OSX86 stuff for my desktop). Admittedly, I don't have an incredible number of issues with Windows, but they seem to appear more than on OS X. When I speak of hassle, I'm mostly thinking of hardware issues. Most people I know buy Acer's and Toshiba's and such, and they all seem to break down pretty quick.

 

I'm doing a computer science degree, so I'd like to think I know a thing or two about a computer. Could I fix my own problems on a Windows/Linux PC? Sure. But I don't want to. And this is the case for a lot of people. The general public doesn't *want* to deal with learning the ins and outs of their system.

 

I agree with everything you said.

 

The problem is that Apple's pricing scheme doesn't - because the wonderful design of Mac OSx isn't accessible for 90% of the people who would truly benefit using a Mac, due to their lack of tech knowledge/saavy, simply because those people are priced out of the equation. Inner city kids who could really benefit from beoming computer saavy at a young age, and lower income families without a real budget to get their computers fixed often could really benefit from Macs intuitive OS design. But they are roundly excluded from the party by apple's bloodthirsty pricing scheme.

 

That's a crime.

 

And the Catch-22 is that if Macs ever did gain equal market share footing and an equal install base with Windows PC's, all of those advantages of being a small market OS would IMMEDIATELY disappear. They would instantly become a bigger target for virus and trojan coders, and all of the as-yet undiscovered/unexploited security flaws would become just as prevalent and cumbersome as those Windows has - if not maybe even worse.

 

I love Mac OSx.

 

I refuse to pay dime one for their overpriced, underpowered, "turd in a shiny wrapping" Hardware.

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I agree with everything you said.

 

I love Mac OSx.

 

I refuse to pay dime one for their overpriced, underpowered, "turd in a shiny wrapping" Hardware.

 

That's your opinion, in fact the same dell machine of my mac pro early 2008 is more expensive, try on dell site and then please shut up if you ignore reality.

The same is 2 x quad xeon e5462, 2 gb ecc fb ddr2 800 mhz and the rest.

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If you look at their financial records, they do indeed earn no money with software - thats just a quasi-free supplement to the hardware sales. U'd think the OSx86 community'd cheer for that because they don't pay Vista Ultimate prices, but Undank ist der Welten Lohn ('Un-Thank is the world's remuneration' :whistle:)...

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Happy to be both if you like to think it, in any case i have sold all my f*****g pcs and (unfortunately) my 2 g4 to have it.

Everybody is free to do what he likes and is not stupid.

Last thing just 2 e5462 cost new in retail box not less than 1200 euro, do the rest remembering that Pro e2008 was at 2499 euro.

 

 

Surely you two are not going to give up now ... Come on :( this is good entertainment value ...

 

Slug it out boys

 

You'll make me eat my words, huh?

read you post back to yourself. Slowly, if need be.

 

You just admitted that you're a horrible Sys Admin, because you claim to manage a business that "brings in $1,000,000 a month", yet you've left their corporate network and workstations open to viruses and spyware? Do they not have a corporate firewall appliance? Do you not deploy Anti-virus and Spyware protection? Do you not filter their browsing content to keep them from surfing to porn and other notoriously computer filth ridden websites? You don't have backup systems in place or windows network deployed cleanup scripts for clearing out temp file rot and running normal maintenance routines on a scheduled basis?

 

It also sounds like you can't even Google correctly. You want an FTP solution? Try Filezilla. Multi-Platform, Free, and easily the most powerful and reliable FTP client and Server side product available. I used it to migrate 6 TB worth of Project data when we consolidated to a new central Project file NAS unit at my firm this past January. Without a hitch. All Dell servers and workstations here too.

 

This stuff is absolutely basic Sys Admin 101 knowledge.

 

Sounds like they need a new Admin, because you're clearly not up to the task.

 

The funny part is when you referred to accounting software as "Boring" even though you claim to "do their taxes" - LOL. You just tipped your hand junior. Why not go back to the AOL {censored} chat room and come back when you have a clue?

 

and while you're over there, learn to use paragraphs so that people can read your idiotic rants without their eyes going buggy from your crazy run-on sentences.

 

:D Way to go Underball ... you totally owned the dude..........

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For Underball & Polax:

 

Yes, actually all of those polite suggestions you made for me have been in place for awhile, but the fact is that Windows sucks bad enough that it fails anyway. And I did point out a specific shortcoming in Windows XP that Mac OS X is able to overcome - the handling of long file names and deeply nested directories.

We use a Watchguard Firebox, Web Filters, etc. They help keep out most problems, but flaws inherent in the software cause plenty of problems as well. But they don't pay me enough to reload their systems every week, so I let it happen out of laziness. And I'm sorry if your visual acuity and reading comprehension skills are not enough to handle my writing. Would you like to see a picture of my {censored}?

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The problem is that Apple's pricing scheme doesn't - because the wonderful design of Mac OSx isn't accessible for 90% of the people who would truly benefit using a Mac, due to their lack of tech knowledge/saavy, simply because those people are priced out of the equation. Inner city kids who could really benefit from beoming computer saavy at a young age, and lower income families without a real budget to get their computers fixed often could really benefit from Macs intuitive OS design. But they are roundly excluded from the party by apple's bloodthirsty pricing scheme.

 

That's a crime.

Totally agreed. It would be nice if they had a more economically-priced solution.

 

The chances of that happening? I think we all know the answer, unfortunately.

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Totally agreed. It would be nice if they had a more economically-priced solution.

 

The chances of that happening? I think we all know the answer, unfortunately.

 

Then what do you call the Mac Mini at $599 second the poor are not going to buy new they buy used and there are plenty of deals on used Mac's.

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Then what do you call the Mac Mini at $599 second the poor are not going to buy new they buy used and there are plenty of deals on used Mac's.

 

a piece of {censored} that only cost $250 to build, and is 2 year old tech. The Mac Mini at $599 doesn't even come with a monitor, and is the hardware equivalent of a refurbished 2 year old PC that would be $250.

 

what an absolutely snotty thing to say about "the poor". I wasn't talking about "the poor" you racist piece of {censored}. I was talking about lower income and lower-middle class families.

 

wow, I guess it's just proving my point more how arrogant Mac fanboys are.

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