peach-os Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I´m shocked I live in germany and I must tell you that this is total nonsens - church and politics in germany are absolutely seperated. you could compare the christ democrats most likely with the democrats in the states. we could discuss that in detail - but this is really off topic. I´ve been just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 If they are separated why say christian democratic union? In Germany PUBLIC schools have crucifixes in classrooms. In the USA this would be an outrage and the school administators would be fired on the spot probably and would never have anything to do with schools again... BTW I am a german citizen so i am not railing against a totally foreign country to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 If they are separated why say christian democratic union? In Germany PUBLIC schools have crucifixes in classrooms. It´s the south of germoney. It´s like the south of america. Most of all are catholics... The rest of this republic is thinking (most) correctly... Rgds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descalzo Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 You need to be a citizen of the united states to hold public office. He couldn't have fooled the government.... Also, its not his citizenship its whether he was born in the US thats up for debate... This is just another right wing fear mongering tactic to drive people away from the polls. McCain - Obama whats the difference- they both suck -... Well, the Constitution says he must be a Natural-Born citizen of the United states. It also says something about having lived in the US for fourteen years. Anyway, the gray area would come into play when the constitution says "natural born citizen." What is a natural born citizen? I think he was probably born in the US (all the records we have point that way), but is that enough to make him a citizen? Maybe Dies is right. Maybe there is no gray area. I guess some immigration lawyer could tell me instantly what the state of immigration law was at the time Obama was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach-os Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 It´s the south of germoney. It´s like the south of america.Most of all are catholics... The rest of this republic is thinking (most) correctly... Rgds. germoney i like that ! and yes .....you are talking about bavaria - that´s the german utah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Its illegal to have crucifixes in public schools in Utah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach-os Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Its illegal to have crucifixes in public schools in Utah.... I know..................and this prevents the people there from beeing too religious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 So you admit the german government does not not separate itself from religion. Also I believe the germans ban religions such as scientology from their country... And of course you are neither verbally free or politically free in germany since germany banns political parties... Also in germany the tax system is set up to assist churches by having a "church tax" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 So you admit the german government does not not separate itself from religion. Also I believe the germans ban religions such as scientology from their country... And of course you are neither verbally free or politically free in germany since germany banns political parties... Also in germany the tax system is set up to assist churches by having a "church tax" ...which is why Barack Obama should be President of the United States! Seriously people, get back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach-os Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ...which is why Barack Obama should be President of the United States! Seriously people, get back on topic. come on! it´s sooo funny! we started a new political movement: talking a lot and knowing nothing......we call it palinism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tha_toadman Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 ...which is why Barack Obama should be President of the United States! Hurray for the next president that's going to implement socialism... My money is on 2009 being worse than 2008 was economically...and just think, the numbers will come out and he'll pick up his presidency in a recession (Q3 had negative growth and I bet Q4 will be the same). Doesn't anyone think it's kind of like a oxymoron that he wants to 'redistribute the wealth' but also 'create jobs'? Why work when you can sit on your fat lazy a$$ and get free money from your prez that you know nothing about! Rhetoric will take you a long way in American politics, that's for sure! That's my .02 -- How's that for 'back on topic' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descalzo Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Hurray for the next president that's going to implement socialism... My money is on 2009 being worse than 2008 was economically...and just think, the numbers will come out and he'll pick up his presidency in a recession (Q3 had negative growth and I bet Q4 will be the same). Doesn't anyone think it's kind of like a oxymoron that he wants to 'redistribute the wealth' but also 'create jobs'? Why work when you can sit on your fat lazy a$$ and get free money from your prez that you know nothing about! Rhetoric will take you a long way in American politics, that's for sure! That's my .02 -- How's that for 'back on topic' Wow! Someone who knows what a recession is! I have a feeling that the upcoming recession (assuming it comes) was caused bcurrent semi-socialist policies. Obama would probably make it worse. My hope is that McCain will be Pres. with a democratic Congress and nothing will get done. I would be fine with a Dem pres and a Rep congress, but I think that's less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic George Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Hurray for the next president that's going to implement socialism... Thank you Mr. Republican Talking Points, for that piece of original thinking. Doesn't anyone think it's kind of like a oxymoron that he wants to 'redistribute the wealth' but also 'create jobs'? Why work when you can sit on your fat lazy a$ and get free money from your prez that you know nothing about! Rhetoric will take you a long way in American politics, that's for sure! Yeah, just like that dammed Socialist Sarah Palin does in Alaska! Stealing money from those poor Oil companies to send to the welfare queens in the Alaskan bush. Those darned socialist commie-wannabies! I mean is it any coincidence that she can see russia from her house? Good thing we've got McCain to save us from, whooops... I mean seriously folks. Have you actually bothered to look at what he said in context? Do you understand that redistribution of wealth is one of the fundamental purposes of government? This is why we have such horrible things as graduated tax rates, housing mortgage exemptions, tax breaks for having kids, tax breaks for charitable deductions, etc... I mean if you really are against "redistribution of wealth" then, I hope you like living in the third world. Cause that's what you get when you don't have the government paying for things like infrastructure, public health, education, honest police and judicial systems. All that is made possible through the "redistribution of wealth". Taxes are not an inherent evil. They are the price of a civilized society. That's my .02 -- How's that for 'back on topic' B-. You do express a relevant opinion, but half of it consists of regurgitated talking points and it lacks much in the way of actually thought or analysis of the issues. You might also want to re-aquaint yourself with the concept of irony, given some of the accusations you toss about. I mean what exactly does Palin do other than toss out rhetoric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descalzo Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Do you understand that redistribution of wealth is one of the fundamental purposes of government? This is one of the worst things I've ever heard. All of the examples you give are not the fundamental purposes of government. Go and read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I mean what exactly does Obama do other than toss out rhetoric? IFYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aduffbrew Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Seriously people... I could see getting caught up in all the hype at the start of the campaign but for Pete's sake. Enough already! My bubble burst a while back... Too bad we couldn't have spliced Obama and McCain into one.... I'd take McCain's domestic policy (still horrific but better than Obama's) and Obama's foreign policy (naive but a much needed reprieve from the Republican "legacy of peace.") Neither candidate sensibly addresses education, healthcare, infrastructure, banking, budget, immigration or trade. Neither have a clear moral authority either. Neither has even attempted to tackle the big issues and has resorted to pandering to the uninformed voter. The uninformed voter doesn't want to hear we're up a creek without a paddle and that the solutions to our problems will require a sacrifice. The fact that so many fail to realize all this just points to one undeniable fact... IDIOCRACY! Life is imitating art! Let the zealots blather on about how their candidate will save the world or how the opposition will bring on the apocalypse. Truth is, both parties might be serving a different crowd but they're all pouring from the same pitcher of tainted kool-aide. I really don't see a huge difference between them. If you can, I suggest you take a closer look. *scowl* In my opinion BOTH are equally good... or equally bad, how ever you want to look at it. Don't worry... things are so bad in Washington these days, if your guy doesn't win, there isn't enough collective will left there to let the other guy get to far down the wrong path before we'll be back here again debating the next batch of candidates. And take heart.... 76 more days and Cheney is out of office! *queues up the Imperial March for old time's sake* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic George Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 This is one of the worst things I've ever heard. All of the examples you give are not the fundamental purposes of government. Go and read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Yes and the constitution also permits slavery, doesn't permit women to vote and lets the slave states count 3/5th of their slaves towards the population of the state. Virtually none of the rights we all hold dear are in it either and had to be added in the bill of rights. Neither are exactly perfect documents, nor were they intended to be eternally unchanged. You can live in Colonial America if you want, but I like the modern world and saying one of the fundamental purposes of government ISN'T to redistribute wealth is just ignoring reality. You can argue about the degree to which it should do it, but unless you have never benefited at all from what government does, you don't have a leg to stand on. Try comparing the standard of living of people before the New Deal and after it. Life has gotten much better for most people in the US, since the government started distributing the wealth some. Seriously, try moving to some place like Somalia where there is no government and see how much you like life there. IFYP Very clever, I've only seen that one about a million times before. Besides it's a repeat of what the other guy was saying. Good thing you conservatives are all such independent thinkers. PS. I know this is going to be a surprise given that Obama is apparently also the anti-christ as well as Joseph Stalin reborn, but he's a politician (it's probably escaped your notice, but so's McCain). Saying he spews rhetoric is like saying the water is wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I voted for Obama. That's all. I don't hate McCain, I just don't agree with him. As for socialism, it's not socialist to want the general well-being of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I love ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 of course you do. you are american. your society breeds off it It's funny how you say that, and judge Americans as if they were all one big giant glob of poo. When this isn't ignorant at all. Breaking News. Obama is the first {censored} president of the USA. Free food stamps for all, its a happy day for zionist american puppy dogs Nope, just might be the [sarcasm]smartest[/sarcasm] thing I've ever heard. And America isn't just USA, you insult both American continents like that. And then insult a whole race of people by the word {censored}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if they want to be insulted by such trivial matters then bad luck for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Enjoy the final months of capitalism..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 if they want to be insulted by such trivial matters then bad luck for them. You know, I'm not one who believes that african americans deserve all this sympothy, but you really have no right to insult anyone. Even more by a word which in itself shows ignorance(There's that word again) in the person who speaks it. Enjoy the final months of capitalism..... I want my dollar to mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 quit stuntin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaar Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Enjoy the final months of capitalism..... You mean the final months of deregulation, incompetence, a complete lack of sense for proportion and conservative buddy systems which basically equal invitations to pathological irresponsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Descalzo Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Yes and the constitution also permits slavery, doesn't permit women to vote and lets the slave states count 3/5th of their slaves towards the population of the state. Virtually none of the rights we all hold dear are in it either and had to be added in the bill of rights. THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION PERMITS MURDER!!!!! The original document contains within itself the ability to change. It seems obvious to me that the original framers (at least some of them) knew better. The Constitution allows itself to be altered. The current state of blacks in this country is certainly more in keeping with the spirit of the Constitution than it was before. The Constitution's purpose is not to redistribute wealth, it's purpose is to protect freedom and stop tyranny. Neither are exactly perfect documents, nor were they intended to be eternally unchanged. Well the Declaration kind of was, but I know what you mean, and I agree with that idea. ...You can argue about the degree to which it should do it, I want less, not more. but unless you have never benefited at all from what government does, you don't have a leg to stand on. I disagree with this. Try comparing the standard of living of people before the New Deal and after it. Life has gotten much better for most people in the US, since the government started distributing the wealth some. The New Deal can hardly be given all the credit. Some say that the recovery was already starting when the New Deal began. Either way, there were many factors. Seriously, try moving to some place like Somalia where there is no government and see how much you like life there. OK, but only if you try moving to some place like Cuba or the Soviet Union where the government has (or had) completed its plan of total redistribution of wealth. Look, I'm not really an extremist. I just want LESS redistribution of wealth instead of MORE. Both candidates promised to increase it, but Obama tried to increase it more. ... but he's a politician (it's probably escaped your notice, but so's McCain). Saying he spews rhetoric is like saying the water is wet. It sounded like you mentioned it in a way that made it sound like Palin was something special in the 'only knows how to spew rhetoric' department. You are right of course, they are all politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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