Chris Mills Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Right on! Steve is nothing more than a thief who stole XEROX research development and built a Mac from it.Bully Gates Pacman is nothing more than a thief who stole Apple's stolen Idea and developed Windows, then claim Microsoft really stole from Xerox instead, then proceeded to grab all the little guys ideas and pacman it into Win. All computer programmers are thieves who use other people's development work and ideas to build their own code. I never met a programmer who wrote any code from scratch off the top of his head without taking a computer course, reading other people's code, and incorporating previously existing ideas "developed by others" to produce his own work. AMD stole INTEL's microprocessor ideas for a long time, until they forged ahead, and Intel had to borrow AMD's 64/32 design to include in their own EMT64 cpus. So it goes... When will people stop stealing from each other and making a profit from other peoples works? .... damm! Steve paid Xerox for the rights to their development. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-932971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 @Chris Mills Also add that Xerox thought the IDEA was dumb and had no intention of using it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-933265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecwest Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Steve paid Xerox for the rights to their development. Doesn't the story include some sort or misrepresentation on Steve's part, in order to convince them to sell low? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Doesn't the story include some sort or misrepresentation on Steve's part, in order to convince them to sell low? No, not at all. Please learn the facts of the matter. Xerox practically begged Steve not to buy it. They were 110% convinced that it was worthless and that when Steve found out, that it would turn their business relationship with Apple against them. It was Steve Jobs who had the insight to know that their invention could be used successfully. Apple was in the right place at the right time, and I'm betting that if Bill Gates were there he'd be bidding on it also. Instead Microsoft stole it from Apple who legitimately owned it Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Instead Microsoft stole it from Apple who legitimately owned it Just think, he could have just hacked it and ran it on his Dell. At least he paid them Apple stock in exchange for the rights to develop the idea further. =) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 But it still sucks that gates was yet not good enough to ever dev his own {censored} nor good enough biz guy to do what jobs did so he just steals it alike a punk. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyanf Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Apple, Psystar strike deal to avoid trial in Open Computer tussle Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 This is only posting what pystar assumed would come outta their accusations and lawsuite there is not tying there is no monopoly its there own product ... they need to stop selling osx seperate and really tie it intot he make and make OS and machine trully one like you know how 360 and ps3 does ... and then ppl can stfu. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-934749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaithis Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 ^^ Someone was a little irate while posting Bit of a Bill Gates complex? hehe As for the topic, I think the latest news proves that Apple know they are on shaky ground here, else they would have crushed psystar in court. Whether we will see OSX on ROM, I am not sure. I know one of the predecessors used ROM quite heavily (GEM/AtariOS) but in todays market I cannot see it being viable. Maybe a small amount of ROM for core functions but at least 95% of the OS would need to be kept on disk these days. I find it rather intriguing that this will potentially be settled out of court. One way or another, this could be a pivotal point in Apples history. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-938838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 @ Shaithis ... Seriously what are you on.... apple ahs done this with every case ever nothing to do with they oooo know there not right ... as most people that do not have the ability for abstract thought here would think... but lets see lets say they didnt continue it in court and one long drawn out pointless battle that would make every cover in every city catch it.... hmm weather apple is right or wrong that may put a damper on their sales for a very long time.....them doing this is just them doing good PR.... Maxintosh your turn. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-939284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxintosh Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Maxintosh your turn. I'm just waiting to see if they share what their on with the rest of the group Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-939340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 @ Maxintosh ... it has to be some the hard stuff Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-939343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conroe Mac Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Psystar is now installing Blu-ray players, which Jobs called "a bag of hurt." I tend to think that Psystar has a point about Apple failing to deliver a product which consumers want (A tower that runs OS X for a sane amount of money). I suppose you could have a Blu-ray player Mac if you spent a couple grand on a Mac Pro (which is the only easily upgradable Mac) and then bought an aftermarket blu-ray player. Back in the day I had a Starmax. It was kind of a piece of {censored}, but it let me use the Apple OS without paying insane prices for inferior hardware. Oh, and it was a tower so I could swap out drives and install a SCSI card easily. I guess the hipster image Apple has today is not really compatible with the tinkerer or computer enthusiast. If it just works (albeit how Apple chooses), then we are forced to accept the fact that is only how it works. Of course we don't and that's why we're here. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-947570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA_SONG_MAN Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Psystar is now installing Blu-ray players, which Jobs called "a bag of hurt." I tend to think that Psystar has a point about Apple failing to deliver a product which consumers want (A tower that runs OS X for a sane amount of money). I suppose you could have a Blu-ray player Mac if you spent a couple grand on a Mac Pro (which is the only easily upgradable Mac) and then bought an aftermarket blu-ray player. Back in the day I had a Starmax. It was kind of a piece of {censored}, but it let me use the Apple OS without paying insane prices for inferior hardware. Oh, and it was a tower so I could swap out drives and install a SCSI card easily. I guess the hipster image Apple has today is not really compatible with the tinkerer or computer enthusiast. If it just works (albeit how Apple chooses), then we are forced to accept the fact that is only how it works. Of course we don't and that's why we're here. Jus saw what you were talking about on Engadget Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-948099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Finally time for more ranting i had lost hope....... I call BS ... inferior hardware my ass its all custom hardware made for apple not somethign you get from pisstar ... their gigabyte mb and intel cpu the onlythings worth anything. the rest pry some {censored} from china and its worht the 1k difference for offical support and so on and not to mention ...A HACKINTOSH Will never work as well as supported hardware!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-948596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomazzzi Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 A HACKINTOSH Will never work as well as supported hardware! ROFL Then you don t know what a hackintosh really is .... My hackintosh works better than my imac for an inferior configuration ! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-948986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Geek Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 ROFLThen you don t know what a hackintosh really is .... My hackintosh works better than my imac for an inferior configuration ! I doubt that. You're likely finding anecdotal evidence to support what you want to hear anyway. If it's really an inferior configuration then you haven't taken into consideration what's loading on the iMac, how long it's been installed, etc. Things that will slow a machine down. Try using Disk Utility to resize your partition on the fly, then install the latest 10.6 beta. Wow, sure runs nice. Oh, you can't do that on your Crapintosh? I got a hack too, it's fun, but I don't pretend with delusional eyes that it's better than my Mac, because my Mac was designed to be a Mac. My Lenovo runs Leo decent, but I'd never give it to anyone to use an anything but a project. Hell, you can't even safely run Software Update, even set up as vanilla kernel. (You can't just run it, it will kill the machine.) My friends are better off running Windows on the thing than a hacked OS X. Having to tinker with kexts to get updates to stick is for geeks. And that's the kind of image Apple doesn't want their product to have. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-949164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveskunk Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 how can that company sue apple for allowing running their os on their own computers?! this guy, pedarza or whatever is nuts! hahaha why can't i run xp on my cellphone?! i would like to, i think i will sue microsoft for anticompetivie monopoly, hahahaha they will never win this thats my opinion on this:D thanks and why the hell asus net4switch runs only on asus branded computers?! i will sue them as well!!! John The Geek: very well said. i fully agree with you! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-949258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 John the geek .. .well put again... as for myself dont see myself as a geek .... im too professional for that and my time worth more to me then jimmy rigging stuff together that may never work the way i want it......... @tomazzzi ..... i know exactly what one is while i share and intrest to the level of i just wanted to see if it worked .... ihave built a pc just for a hack with all the intended hard ware and still ran like {censored}...... my g4 mac mini runs more stable then that {censored} suggestion get a clue and actual facts to support it not just some disalusion .. to support your comi ways that wants to believee coorprate america has no right to their copywrtites Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-949878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dies Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 John the geek .. .well put again... as for myself dont see myself as a geek .... im too professional for that and my time worth more to me then jimmy rigging stuff together that may never work the way i want it......... @tomazzzi ..... i know exactly what one is while i share and intrest to the level of i just wanted to see if it worked .... ihave built a pc just for a hack with all the intended hard ware and still ran like {censored}...... my g4 mac mini runs more stable then that {censored} suggestion get a clue and actual facts to support it not just some disalusion .. to support your comi ways that wants to believee coorprate america has no right to their copywrtites Too professional, really ? Coming from someone who can't put together a complete sentence or even spell, that's got to be the funniest {censored} I've read in a while. Thanks ! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 yeah correct but not every ones skills are in typing douchebag numbers are better then words for me .. but im sure Maxintosh will be back at some point for some people maybe he will talk very very slowly. see now when i have the time to take the time to type its not so bad. Best way to look at it is you really dont own jack to say you have a right to install it on your pc ... so if you dont like it go pound some sand Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dies Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 yeah correctbut not every ones skills are in typing douchebag numbers are better then words for me .. but im sure Maxintosh will be back at some point for some people maybe he will talk very very slowly. see now when i have the time to take the time to type its not so bad. Best way to look at it is you really dont own jack to say you have a right to install it on your pc ... so if you dont like it go pound some sand Yes, yes, I'm sure your little butt buddy will be here soon to back your dumbass up. Speaking of that, why don't you get off his nuts already ? I guess at least his posts are readable and make some kind of sense, whereas yours only serve to confirm yet again how much of an angry, retarded little fanboy you really are. So some people didn't have to pay extra or sacrifice anything in order to experience your favorite OS and your upset about it, got your panties in a bunch, well too bad, get over it. They'll either buy the real thing eventually or get bored and go back to whatever they used before. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker25 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 ha dont even know the guy but he just love to point out your dumbass mistakes Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmcnally Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 For a person who doesn't seem to like hackintoshes you seem to spend a fair amount of time here on a forum that is mainly about hackintoshes. My personal view on them is that I will go the EFI-X route for building mine, whilst restrictive on the hardware at least it works without having to faff about. I did build a hackintosh but I don't want the effort of maintaining it. Whilst I am not convinced about the legality of hackintoshes, my main area of concern with Psystar is that they are forcing the subject. Apple don't seem to be bothering with EFI-X or OSX86 as a not going to get many "average joe" users bothering with it. However Psystar are making it public and selling a product, making it visible. They are basically also taking the work done by forum members on getting OSX86 working and selling commercially. Whilst it is relatively well hidden Apple will turn a blind eye ( this forum is still going) to OSX86 whilst it remains an enthusiasts system, afterall most people on here are unlikely to buy an Apple system anyway. If people start selling in competition then they are more likely to start cracking down on preventing OSX running on non-Apple systems. It wouldn't be that hard for Apple to stop selling the upgrade packs that most hackintosh users buy to cover a license, this way theres no way anyone can argue that there OSX on a PC is legal. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayce Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 After reading every post in this thread, (been away for a while) I can see both sides of the argument. The one thing that really bugs me, sort of, is that it's o.k. to install Windows on a Mac (has been for years) but not to install Apple's OS's on a P.C. Seems hypocritical to me. If I use the popular "car" comparison, that would be like saying to a neighbor, "I can use your Ford any time I need to, but you can't use my Mercedes at all." If I remember correctly, the big hubbub way back was that there weren't many good (fun) apps or programs made for the Mac, as Billy had/has the dominant OS, so someone found/developed a way to get Windows to work on a Mac. Due to popular demand, Apple (and their fans) promoted that ability from Win '98 (maybe even further back, I recall a Mac friend having win'95B on his PPC. I had suggested that I would like to see a machine that could run ANY OS and he said "Apple can do that, with an emulator.") I have no problem with Apple wanting to keep it's hardware and software tied together, but does that make it a computer, or a console? Don't get me wrong, I've had a few Macs, from and old Plus, to a PPC and I do like the systems ease of use. If I could afford even a reasonably good used one, I wouldn't hesitate to get it. That is the kicker here. It's all about price vs value. If Apple could/would allow it, legally, using their OS's on a "properly equipped" PC would be fine with me. I do agree with some who said the EULA states "Apple Labeled" means you can make/acquire and slap a sticker on the box. This is the grey area. Who puts the label on, Apple or the user? Good point, there. As far as Steve and Co. bugging the OSx86 community, it seems to me, they may want to leave it alone and see how far it can be taken. In the meantime they can break the installs with updates, and see what happens next. They know we are here. It may even be a possibility, they want to see what will work natively, before deciding on what specs to allow their OS to be used on, without severe mods. The big problem I see with the Psystar suit is, there are no winners only losers. Just my Loonies worth. (Yes, I Am Canadian) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/123115-psystar-counter-sues-apple-for-anti-competitive-business-practices/page/25/#findComment-950809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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