Alessandro17 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 http://d6.allthingsd.com/20080527/gates_ballmer/ Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_muad_dib Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 i see ballmer's baldness is advancing since vista release ;D omg they talked about {censored} all the time, well we'll see what will come up with this windows 7.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 This time it’s Apple’s Dock, which Microsoft appears to have borrowed. Multi-touch and a Dock. In Windows. Steve Jobs must be so proud.LOL Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
(MoC) Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 LOL Yeah, I found that quote funny myself. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayce Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I love the line, where comparing Apple to Windows sales, "10 million people love Macs, 290 million love Windows" I would rephrase that to: "300 Million people love macs, but 290 million can only afford Windows." Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
(MoC) Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 300 Million people love macs, but 290 million can only afford Windows. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 It's nice to see that Microsoft isn't just giving up. It's a very profitable company. I applaud Ballmers (even though he's a tool) for giving a decent response about Apple, saying that "they do a good job". Considering it seems as if Apple's whole marketing campaign is bashing Windows, it kind of makes Microsoft look better out of the two. LOL @ the 2009 goal of Windows 7. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-760941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InorganicMatter Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Before the bitching about ripping off multitouch from Apple starts: Microsoft has been researching multitouch since the 80's, it's just now finally making it's way into our devices. Apple is the newcomer who stole Microsoft's idea. Just thought I'd throw that out before the basing really starts. It's looking neat. I'm more excited about the new kernel and removal of backwards-compatibility than anything. Bring on exclusive 64-bit, EFI, GUID, and the microkernel! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-761060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 It's looking neat. I'm more excited about the new kernel and removal of backwards-compatibility than anything. Bring on exclusive 64-bit, EFI, GUID, and the microkernel! I second that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-761084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark K Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I read up on that "not being backwards compatible" thing. Looks like Windows 7 will have an emulator type thing so people can still run older Window apps. Them starting "over" is a really good thing IMO. In Vista they needed to include all the libraries from previous Window versions so the apps wouldn't break, which is why Vista is so dang big. But then again, Windows 7 is so far away, who knows what the final product will do. Remember when Vista was going to have a new file system and then they had to do away with it because of all the problems? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-762087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
^_^ Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 LOL LOL x2 why even try. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-762100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotskip Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 It's looking neat. I'm more excited about the new kernel and removal of backwards-compatibility than anything. Bring on exclusive 64-bit, EFI, GUID, and the microkernel!- The kernel is based on the one in Vista/Server 08 but is receiving a decent amount of work.- Backwards compatibility isn't being removed. - Windows 7 will be available in 32 and 64-bit but I predict most consumer computers sold will be 64-bit considering how HP, ASUS and others are already shipping computers with the 64-bit version of Vista installed. - The micro-kernel (MinWin) was never destined for Windows 7. - What has been said about EFI and GUID? You really shouldn't believe every tiny rumour on the Internet. Here are some other little bits of information just revealed or reiterated.. - More or less the same requirements as Vista. - 2009 is [once again] a target. - New Task Bar called the 'Superbar' - There will be public builds available (Like Vista Beta 2) before launch. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-762719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 OMG MICROSOFT COPIED MULTI-TOUCH FROM APPLE [/fanboy] Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-762740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeeyes Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I don't think Windows 7 will be getting the new Minwin kernel after all: http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsv...-windows-7.aspx Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-762772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark K Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Here's the condensed version of the interview. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-763291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeamp Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Touch technology is just going to increase the cost of owning Windows 7. Want the latest and greatest Windows features? Forget shoving more RAM into your computer for Aero. Think about swapping your graphics card and monitor technology! Another overrated feature. What about the bug fixes? :-D Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-763297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirling_vortex Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 It's nice to see that Microsoft isn't just giving up. It's a very profitable company. I applaud Ballmers (even though he's a tool) for giving a decent response about Apple, saying that "they do a good job". Considering it seems as if Apple's whole marketing campaign is bashing Windows, it kind of makes Microsoft look better out of the two. LOL @ the 2009 goal of Windows 7. Look at what Ballmer uses for his presentations: Kinda makes those Apple ads a bit more realistic. "Apple - So reliable even the CEO of Microsoft uses it!" Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-763397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotskip Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Touch technology is just going to increase the cost of owning Windows 7. Want the latest and greatest Windows features? Forget shoving more RAM into your computer for Aero. Think about swapping your graphics card and monitor technology! Another overrated feature. What about the bug fixes? :-D Why would you need to buy a new graphics card and touch monitors are already pretty accessible and Dell and other big companies ship products with them, who knows what it will be like in 2009/2010 but I'll take a stab and assume it will be even more accessible. Also, you don't have to buy any technology associated with touch screens to use W7 but obviously you will miss out on features associated with touch screens. What are these other overrated features? Isn't this more or less the first W7 feature we [officially] know about? Look at what Ballmer uses for his presentations: Kinda makes those Apple ads a bit more realistic. "Apple - So reliable even the CEO of Microsoft uses it!" Wasn't it proven that that laptop was used by the previous speaker? I'm pretty sure it was. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-763486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJChee Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Before the bitching about ripping off multitouch from Apple starts: Microsoft has been researching multitouch since the 80's, it's just now finally making it's way into our devices. Apple is the newcomer who stole Microsoft's idea. Just thought I'd throw that out before the basing really starts. edit - nvm i think i got some of the information wrong... has apple officially released multitouch yet? Ah, but guess who released multitouch first? Apple!. So Microsoft says they've been researching multitouch since the 80's. It's a fair to assume Apple must have starting researching multitouch before the 80's, because they we're able to release multitouch before Microsoft. Now, it's time for me to start bitching about how Microsoft is stealing Apple's dock: OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG microsoft stoles apples dock!!! m1cr050f7 i5 t3h n00bz!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-763519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm pretty sure Microsoft doesn't make computers, and Macs can run Windows. But obviously it's hard to put 2 and 2 together. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-764061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InorganicMatter Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 - The kernel is based on the one in Vista/Server 08 but is receiving a decent amount of work.- Backwards compatibility isn't being removed. - Windows 7 will be available in 32 and 64-bit but I predict most consumer computers sold will be 64-bit considering how HP, ASUS and others are already shipping computers with the 64-bit version of Vista installed. - The micro-kernel (MinWin) was never destined for Windows 7. - What has been said about EFI and GUID? You really shouldn't believe every tiny rumour on the Internet I was trying not to get too technical. Since you went that route: - Of course it is loosely based on the NT6 kernel, just like NT6 was based on NT5, and NT5 was based on NT4. Would you like to rewrite a several-million-lines of code kernel? It will, however, be the most heavy rework on NT to date; the kernel will be heavily componentized, self-contained, and not have many of the stacks built into it. - Backwards compatibility in the XP/Vista sense IS being removed. Backwards-compatibility will be achieved in the same way Apple implements X11 - through a virtual machine that runs in a rootless state on top of the new Windows 7 GUI. - Yes, unfortunately, 32-bit will once again be making a comeback. DIE ALREADY!!!! - UEFI, and everything it requires (including GPT) will be in Windows 7: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.htm...473&start=0 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-764515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotskip Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I was trying not to get too technical. Since you went that route:- Of course it is loosely based on the NT6 kernel, just like NT6 was based on NT5, and NT5 was based on NT4. Would you like to rewrite a several-million-lines of code kernel? It will, however, be the most heavy rework on NT to date; the kernel will be heavily componentized, self-contained, and not have many of the stacks built into it. - Backwards compatibility in the XP/Vista sense IS being removed. Backwards-compatibility will be achieved in the same way Apple implements X11 - through a virtual machine that runs in a rootless state on top of the new Windows 7 GUI. - Yes, unfortunately, 32-bit will once again be making a comeback. DIE ALREADY!!!! - UEFI, and everything it requires (including GPT) will be in Windows 7: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.htm...473&start=0 Hahah, wow. You weren't trying to be too technical? By too technical I assume you mean making wild claims like it being 64-bit exclusive, having MinWin, dropping backwards compatibility, etc? Some things which are completely false? - You said "I'm more excited about the new kernel .." and I corrected you saying there isn't a new kernel and that it's based on the one in Vista/Server 08. So, you're going on about all this stuff for no reason other than to look right, also, I'd love to see your source that Windows 7 will have all those things (".. be the most heavy rework on NT to date; the kernel will be heavily componentized, self-contained, and not have many of the stacks built into it."). Also, much of that is also true with Vista/Server 08. - Why did you say "Bring on .. the microkernel!" if it (MinWin) isn't in Windows 7? Related link why people should calm down over MinWin not being in Windows 7. - Do you have a source that backwards computability is being 'removed' in Windows 7? - Why then did you say "Bring on exclusive 64-bit .." if that isn't true? - Interesting about UEFI. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/107247-windows-7-demo/#findComment-765000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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