Will New Intel Macs Run Windows?

our computer guy at school has xp running on his new imac he said you need to mac a partition on your imac's drive clone over the freedos install cd then mac another then in osx select the folder that says unknown then it will start free dos from there you put the xp disk in the drive and go to the i386 directory and install it. When you reboot you will be in osx again then you select windows as your startup disk and it completes the install. He says you have to boot osx first then you can run windows after making it your start disc

Oh Snap! Nice

good...

That was one of the longest run-on sentences I've ever seen...lol...sorry...

sounds interesting. Does anyone else have any experience with this?

any proof please?

I would suggest that if your "computer guy" is into this sort of thing that he visit here (send him the link) and let him explain how, because that is a bit confusing how you wrote it.

But none the less, happy to hear it.

=)

our computer guy at school has xp running on his new imac he said you need to mac a partition on your imac's drive clone over the freedos install cd then mac another then in osx select the folder that says unknown then it will start free dos from there you put the xp disk in the drive and go to the i386 directory and install it. When you reboot you will be in osx again then you select windows as your startup disk and it completes the install. He says you have to boot osx first then you can run windows after making it your start disc

Sounds interesting. Any chance you could ask your computer guy what version of XP he used (Home, Pro, MC)? Some screens and a bullet point install guide would be nice too ;-)

I wonder if this is the first in what could be a flood of posts regarding XP on a MacTel?

Here are sysreg, System Profiler, etc., info on the 17" iMac:

http://appleintelfaq.com/#17.6

Good News! Now what id like to see is a pic of a 3dmark score in windows

*cough*{censored}*cough*

our computer guy at school has xp running on his new imac he said you need to mac a partition on your imac's drive clone over the freedos install cd then mac another then in osx select the folder that says unknown then it will start free dos from there you put the xp disk in the drive and go to the i386 directory and install it. When you reboot you will be in osx again then you select windows as your startup disk and it completes the install. He says you have to boot osx first then you can run windows after making it your start disc

Who is that guy, David Hasselhoff ?

The best virtualization would be if someone would take the PearPC project's source and made another opensource project based on it allowing Windows virtualization on an Intel Mac - although I don't know if that would help at all.

PearPC is NOT a virtualizer. PearPC is an emulator. It emulates a PowerPC G3 or G4, the chips found in the old Macs. As we all know, Windows 2000 and XP do NOT run on these platforms. Your suggestion is totally pointless.

Would you point us to a source for this information? The information I was able to dig up is vague: "Intel also said the platform will have the firm's Virtualization Technology (VT) in the first half of 2006," from this article.

 

Both the core duo datasheets and product brief only list Intel VT as a feature of the core duo without going into detail. An update to the datasheet even includes specific processor numbers and stepping information but states nothing about VT being disabled or inaccessible; however, on the other hand, nowhere is it explicitly stated that the initial C-0 steppings have VT.

and

Second thing is the whole virtualisation thingie - did anyone ever find out for definite whether the core duo's currently have hardware vt enabled? To be honest i would find running windows in a virtual machine more convenient than having to reboot whenever i wanted to access it. Surely theres also the possibility you could dedicate one of the core solely to the guest OS?

Actually I found this information only in one article run by the highly renowned German tech-news outlet Heise Newsticker:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/68086

I tried to double-check this info on the web but did not come up with any proof, so I contacted Intel on Friday on this matter. This is what I asked:

I would like to know whether the current C0 steppings of the new Core

Duo processor feature Intel's Virtualization Technology, VT, formerly

known as "Vanderpool". There have been reports [*] in the German press

that this feature is in fact missing from the current CPUs.

 

[*] Cf. for example http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/68086

"Es fehlen allerdings 64-Bit-Befehle (EM64T) und die

Virtualisierungstechnik Vanderpool (VT). VT soll gerüchteweise im Kern

vorhanden sein, aber erst mit einem späteren Stepping freigeschaltet

werden [...]."

The Heise news ticker is usually a highly reliable source of

IT-related news in Germany.

And this is the reply I received today via E-Mail:

Thank you for contacting Intel® Technical Support.

 

This processor does not have the Virtualization Technology included.

 

Any information that we have on future Intel® processors is posted at:

< http://www.intel.com/apac/eng/ebusiness/pr...desktop.htm>

 

A Roadmap of Intel® processors is available at the following website:

http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/inde...rocnum+roadmap&

 

You can also review the Intel® magazine for information:

http://www.intel.com/technology/magazine/

 

Please do not hesitate to contact us again if you need further assistance.

(Bolded by me.)

So, yes, no Intel Virtualization Technology (VT) in the current Core Duo CPUs and therefore not in any Mac you can buy today.

our computer guy at school has xp running on his new imac he said you need to mac a partition on your imac's drive clone over the freedos install cd then mac another then in osx select the folder that says unknown then it will start free dos from there you put the xp disk in the drive and go to the i386 directory and install it. When you reboot you will be in osx again then you select windows as your startup disk and it completes the install. He says you have to boot osx first then you can run windows after making it your start disc

we need some concrete evidence. Tell him to take a screenshot of System Properties under Windows (even better, an actual picture of Windows running on the iMac). Ask him to write an actual step-by-step procedure to install Windows XP on iMac. Can you set up the system on dual boot?

PearPC is NOT a virtualizer. PearPC is an emulator. It emulates a PowerPC G3 or G4, the chips found in the old Macs. As we all know, Windows 2000 and XP do NOT run on these platforms. Your suggestion is totally pointless.

Thanks for clearing that up... I think. You see - I was reffering to the OpenBIOS it uses and it's ease of use compared to Qemu. But, you are right, PearPC is an emulator, and it emulates the wrong proc, etc.

Sorry (temporary memory lapse - I'm having alot of those right now).

Also, if some guy already has the new intel imac (which is really fast). How come he didn't post about it on the net himself - post picks, and a simple walkthrough?

I don't really understand why you need to install FreeDOS to make it work - this is all very confusing. Wouldn't it be easier to modify the NVRAM file - does this mean WinXP can't really boot in the Intel Mac (at least without help)?

We should know soon enough:

http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?showtopic=6956

So, yes, no Intel Virtualization Technology (VT) in the current Core Duo CPUs and therefore not in any Mac you can buy today.

This was confirmed in The Register this morning:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/16/intel_core_duo_vt/

Did you actually hear this from MSFT people? I'm just wondering because it would seem to me that VPC is no longer needed, at least after Vista comes out.

VPC has other uses though, which is why VPC for Windows exists.

Uhh... Windows XP Media Center 2005 has EFI support.

 

Dont believe me? Check out this screenshot I made of my computer.

 

You can find these files by going into the Tools menu in Explorer, then to Folder Options, then to View, then uncheck the box for hiding Operating System files.

 

Enjoy.

 

Someone try a XP SP2 disc on their iMac and lemme know what happens.

You must have tried Vista once, my MCE2005 install doesn't have this folder.

hi

i got these text file from intel's ftp on efi howto

ftp://download.intel.com/technology/efi/d...xt/EfiHowTo.txt

hope this helps

there are lot of other files as well

check it out

In this article:

 

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-985600.html

The article ends up with the interesting statement:

"...Finally, EFI can pretend to be a BIOS. "We're not expecting people to throw out the BIOS overnight, so EFI can support legacy systems by running on top of an existing BIOS and handing over control when appropriate," Doran said."

The article ends up with the interesting statement:

This has already been discussed. The CSM (Compatibility Support Module) doesn't appear to be mandatory.

Aaaand.. we have CSM

believing Intel in down under:

“For IA 32 systems, the Framework loads itself above the 1MB real-mode memory boundary to accommodate an optional Compatibility Support Module (CSM). CSM implementations can be tailored to platform requirements. A typical CSM is approximately 60KB (~38KB compressed) of firmware that is specific to each Participating Vendor and is based on that Vendor’s latest BIOS code base. A contemporary implementation of the Framework on a PC includes a CSM for supplying services to operating systems that do not boot using EFI and for supporting legacy option ROMs on add-in cards. For legacy boot the Framework initialises the platform’s silicon and executes EFI drivers. Then control is transferred to the CSM, which supports the legacy OS boot.”

http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/64E7EA3...A2570F50012430B

Aaaand.. we have CSM

 

believing Intel in down under:

 

“For IA 32 systems, the Framework loads itself above the 1MB real-mode memory boundary to accommodate an optional Compatibility Support Module (CSM). CSM implementations can be tailored to platform requirements.

I quote that again: "an optional Compatibility Support Module (CSM)". Bolded by me. As I said above, this is optional and not mandatory. Apple does not seem to have included it.

EDIT:

Btw, look at the date. This is old and has been posted here already days ago.

i think you'll all be interested in this one..

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060117081618155

That is just bochs isn't it? There is something else, iEmulator which is just QEMU. Neither is anywhere NEAR native speed even on the same architecure.