qw3rty Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This company is selling a pre-built Hackintosh. They will even install OSx86 on it if you buy OS X with the machine. http://www.psystar.com/ Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
^_^ Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 A company called Psystar has started advertising a $399 computer called "OpenMac" which claims to be a Leopard compatible Mac built from standard PC-parts. For $399, you get a tower computer with the following specs: - 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 2GB of DDR2 667 memory - Integrated Intel GMA 950 Graphics - 20x DVD+/-R Drive - 4 USB Ports - 250GB 7200RPM Drive Many of the components can be upgraded, however. For example, the graphics card can be updated to a GeForce 8600GT 512MB for $155 more. Psystar is marketing this as a cheaper and more expandable alternative to a true Apple Mac. When comparing base configurations, the Mac Mini costs 150% of the price of the OpenMac while offering poorer performance, smaller storage space, and RAM. Not only that but the Mac Mini doesn't have the option for an nVidia GeForce 8600 video card like the OpenMac does so playing games on it is a lost cause. The company claims that the machine is Leopard compatible with some "minimal patching" but does offer Leopard pre-installed. This is reportedly accomplished by using parts that are known to be compatible with Mac OS X Leopard, as well as the use of an EFI emulator. With the EFI V8 emulator it is possible to install Leopard's kernel straight from the DVD that you purchased at the Apple store barring the addition of a few drivers to ensure that everything boots and runs smoothly. Readers should note that these claims have not been independently verified, so this should not seen as an endorsement of this product. However, the technology appears to be derived from the osx86project, which has allowed hobbyists to install Mac OS X on their non-Apple PCs. The concept is an interesting possibility, and will certainly draw the attention of Apple. The use of Leopard on non Apple-branded hardware is a violation of its End User License Agreement (EULA) and is specifically prohibited. Copied from macrumors http://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/14/openma...not-from-apple/ looks like hacking the mac is going to be harder from now on with things like that on the market. I wonder how the support works? We'll know the site is gone when this picture no longer loads. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-707959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathul Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Probably not the hacking gets harder, but this company will probably get sued their rears off from apple. In addition their "OpenMac" doesn't come in an enclosure as small as the mac mini, so imho there is no comparison. Btw., their FAQ explicitly links to this forum for information about upgrades and stuff like that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-707962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
^_^ Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I wonder, is it illegal to have build a so called mac ready machine for sell without the OS in it...They should donate some $ to this site for every machine they sell if they want to link this site as reference. What do you think?I hate the idea overall though. We do this because we love the macs, we own macs and this is just for the fun of it, but to make money out of other hard work is just wrong. In my opinion. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-707995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubswinfllclssic Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This company is selling a pre-built Hackintosh. They will even install OSx86 on it if you buy OS X with the machine. http://www.psystar.com/ Wow. I give them a month til Apple sends them one of those nice little letters Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Apple is so gonna fry their ass. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zAo Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Apple is so gonna fry their ass. They sure will but I hope someone at Apple's will think of building a headless Mac without the Mac Pro price-tag. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
moarfish Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I hate the company who built this OpenMac.... It brings too much attention and I worry it would affect this wonderful forum. I love building hackintoch myself. Please don't let this company destroy our community. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stravaganza Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This is one of the most entertaining news. I know that I will enjoy watching this development. I know this has to happen. It's unfortunate that the company psystar refers to our forum though. Hope nothing is gonna happen to this community. :censored2: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyoseki Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This certainly isn't going to end well for Psystar, one can only hope it doesn't affect this community too much. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Dark days indeed... if they continue linking here, this forum's days are severely numbered... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stravaganza Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Maybe we need a front page saying that "you cannot refer this website and cannot use the knowledge acquired from this website for commercial purpose and if you don't agree, gedafukattahere" or something. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
idividebyzero Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think what they are doing is good, it will probably be short lived but it brings attention to the demand of a regular tower without pointless Xeons. I dont see them "cashing in" on anything, just look at the price, they are probably making barely any money from these machines and they dont pretend like they invented OS X on a PC. They dont mean to rip anybody off. It's unfortunate that the company psystar refers to our forum though. Hope nothing is gonna happen to this community. Why? You think Apple doesnt know about this site? I can assure you they are very aware. This site is legal and is in no danger. Its been around for a long time and is probably the biggest mac forum on the net, bigger than macrumors, its not a well kept secret among "insiders" Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
^_^ Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Apple is so gonna fry their ass. I argree They sure will but I hope someone at Apple's will think of building a headless Mac without the Mac Pro price-tag. Argee x2 Hope nothing is gonna happen to this community. I think it's maybe time for making the forum a password protected forum... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stravaganza Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Why? You think Apple doesnt know about this site? I can assure you they are very aware. This site is legal and is in no danger. Its been around for a long time and is probably the biggest mac forum on the net, bigger than macrumors, its not a well kept secret among "insiders" Hi idividebyzero, Well, I didn't say Apple does not know the existence of this forum or what we are doing here. Why did you think that I am assuming that Apple doesn't know the existence of this forum anyway? Just curious. And "Its been around for a long time and is probably the biggest mac forum on the net, bigger than macrumors, its not a well kept secret among "insiders"" does not support your argument, "... and is in no danger". I really want to see Apple's end-user license agreement to be tried in the court of law because it dictates what software cannot be installed on my machine even if I paid for the software. In U.S. this dictation was never tried as far as I know. But at the same time, since what we all are doing here is never tried in the court of law, I am just worrying about that. With this incident, Apple might think that their revenue is being threatened. So if Apple try what we are doing in this forum based on their license agreement regardless of right or wrong, we need money to fight with Apple in the court, but hey, we just don't have that kind of money. In that sense, I simply wished nothing happens to this forum while Apple and Psystar are doing their business in (or out of) the court. Best wishes, Stravaganza P.S. I agree with your argument "This site is legal" (as long as someone pays the bills to the company which hosts this website, and we don't deliver big-time secrets to space aliens or whatever to sell our nations or countries). But I know that we are breaking one of Apple's end-user license agreement clauses, about Leopard being installed on Apple-brand computer only. I, however, believe this is an unfair practice. And want to see what the court has to say about this practice. I dont see them "cashing in" on anything, just look at the price, they are probably making barely any money from these machines and they dont pretend like they invented OS X on a PC. They dont mean to rip anybody off. P.P.S. Each and every one of us has been spending non-negligible money and time to make his hackintosh machine as a hobby. Psystar tries to make money and run business out of our accumulated knowledge. (I am not just talking about their charge for OpenMac machines. I am talking about free publicity, consumer awareness of the company, and the synergy to other sections of their business. Yesterday, I didn't know about Psystar. Today I am writing about them. It's working. If they really started OpenMac to "help" people, they could put in their mission statement such intention. Well, they didn't. Look at the upgrade prices, Leopard DVD price that they are selling, and shipping and handling fees. They are in this for money.) This is not acceptable because it's not ethical; I am not their workhorse. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
^_^ Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think what they are doing is good, it will probably be short lived but it brings attention to the demand of a regular tower without pointless Xeons. I dont see them "cashing in" on anything, just look at the price, they are probably making barely any money from these machines and they dont pretend like they invented OS X on a PC. They dont mean to rip anybody off. Why? You think Apple doesnt know about this site? I can assure you they are very aware. This site is legal and is in no danger. Its been around for a long time and is probably the biggest mac forum on the net, bigger than macrumors, its not a well kept secret among "insiders" In my opinion, This site maybe well known but let's say for a new person, it is not that easy to build a hackintosh. You need to find the right compatible parts, the os, or even hack the os, and patch and setting and a lot more. Even after all of that you are not guaranty a well build or so called 99% perfect build hack. If these guys is gonna build it for you and even install it, updates and service, the number of hack will be big and it is not just a regular hobby project anymore. It might start to hurt the mac market. Thurs this site might no longer be in the corner but in center of their eyes. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfas Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 lol i was just about to post this but you beat me to it but seriously... this is crazy... I wonder how long 'till they start receiving cease and desist letters BTW... does anyone at least know if they are buying real leopard licenses and doing this, or is it pirated? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockviech Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 you get original leopard + a leopard restore cd for this computer. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam-_- Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Just saw that, pretty crazy, I would have thought if they continue to offer Leopard pre-installed Apple's lawyers are going to sweep down on them. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLiDE FTW!!1 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 heh, the site is down due to bandwidth issues... Oh well, long live them! I'd be interested to see how this holds up... it would be nice to have a reliable alternative PC to Apple's PCs. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forceman Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Why they thought this was ever going to work is beyond me, Apple will sue the {censored} out of them and updates will break people's systems. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
anibalin Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This certainly isn't going to end well for Psystar, one can only hope it doesn't affect this community too much. I agree with this. This heads too much attention over here. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soower Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I hope this will not have consequences for the OSx86 scene. Maybe this would make Apple consider introducing some kind of stupid serial codes or make them develop mechanisms that will make installing OSX (which is a wonderful OS) much harder on vanilla x86 systems. What do you think, will the next version be better protected?!? I really hope that the things will stay this way because I'm using my Hackintosh exclusively since a few month, and I would really not like to go back to the M$-Hell ;-) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonance Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 There's problems ahead if this company continues to advertise the way they are. As usual we the, the people on the streets, will suffer. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LioNEXT Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 yea i am worried too that they shouldnt have bothered godzilla (apple) and that way osx86 was much under radar, for the hobbyists like us. but this company is smart. see the amount of press attention they have got. once apple sends them cease and desist, they will stop the pre-installed option and may be tweak a name little bit (OpenMc or something), they can see to those who are looking to try and give it a shot of themselves. many noobies that you find in this forum asking for what hardware, could go ahead and buy that and install it. The company would have never gotten that attention otherwise. but apple may not act bastardly and make hacking harder, not to mention though that they have smarter people on other side of the fence also (remember iPhone story) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/99159-company-selling-pre-built-hackintosh/#findComment-708440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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