VasH Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 for all 8139 users, please check ...see if this solve freeze problems, .... I would like to try, but today I can't reach more than 100Kb/sec However at this speed I've no network issue, even with big files. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonker Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Tried with IDE DVD and still hangs at: Still waiting for root device I can't figure it out. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasH Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 I would like to try, but today I can't reach more than 100Kb/sec However at this speed I've no network issue, even with big files. @muitommy: My network drop connection right now, but I can't find those messages in console. I think I will try a new installation without the network drivers of the DVD and see what happens. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 Below is from the old driver's readme file (note that this old driver was an official driver from realtek) ============================================ Changed File: rtl8139Private.cpp rtl8139.h Reason: 1. Improve the TX performance when transmitting large files. Note: The TX still sometimes idles so the performance varies. The Mac OS X 10.0.4 driver for the built-in NIC has the same problem. 2. Add the "patch" document to let the customers patch the the installer by themselves. ============================================== as you read when the original first drivers came out, it had known problems... And it was designed by realtek for macs... also current problems we are having is as i said related to chipset being not supported properly... so there are some problems with kernel/ionetworkfamily, with nics... and the problem is related to some flow control and buffer/caches are not being handled properly... I have one laptop with realtek 8139 nic on it and it has intel chipset and doesnt have network problem but (sadly i cant really confirm it works w/o problem as cpu is sse2 and solo so it s hard to make judgement... only if someone with intel chipset here with multicores, can try 8139 card on it with multicore enabled, only than we can confirm) for mui's suggestion : I really have a doubt that it will fix the problem at all, bcoz the problem is not really the size of files I guess, since you can never get bigger than your NIC's max mtu (max transmission unit and numbers refer to bytes...) size... means all the files will be fragmented into smaller pieces so it doesnt choke the network bandwidth and almost all internet servers will use it as 1500 (bytes) and 20-40 bytes of this packets are for IPs (source targets sorta of information) so what does this mean? wheter you download 1mb or 100mb it doesnt matter really, problem is handling these packets over long period of time... and i dont really know the inner details of it, but I am sure there is a buffering/caching system and controlling of these data packet's flow... which is failing on nforce chipsets... remember also (cpus=1 was required bcoz of new flushing of buffers/caches in cpu... the problem is very parallel to it...) nforceata is not an official driver and there can be similar case with it as well, but appleviaata is more unified as i guess bcoz before I switch to that driver, I was always having random freezes during hdd operations... So that you dont make wrong assumption regarding the problem... I dont say I know exactly what the problem is, but I have strong feeling about it that the problem relies in kernel/ionetworkingfamily (network.framework)... bcoz the symptoms of the problem are very same/parallel to those we were having with cpus=1 with kernel... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DvP Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 To Mysticus: Could you please contact me for a hint how to get my (accidently installed) lan drivers somewhen today. Would be genious. THX! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasH Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 It seems I was right on the network issue (at least for my system) I've made a fresh install, and this time without selecting any driver for the realtek card. In fact now I've not PCGenRTL8139Ethernet.kext in Extension, but AppleRTL8139Ethernet.kext. I've installed the 10.5.2 update & netkas 9.2 kernel. I've downloaded the file that previously casued the drop connection without any issue. It's not an hard test (600Mb at 100/200 Kb/sec), but now it worked. Maybe I can test with various torrent at the same time and then I'll let you know. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 It seems I was right on the network issue (at least for my system) I've made a fresh install, and this time without selecting any driver for the realtek card. In fact now I've not PCGenRTL8139Ethernet.kext in Extension, but AppleRTL8139Ethernet.kext. I've installed the 10.5.2 update & netkas 9.2 kernel. I've downloaded the file that previously casued the drop connection without any issue. It's not an hard test (600Mb at 100/200 Kb/sec), but now it worked. Maybe I can test with various torrent at the same time and then I'll let you know. Like I said, it doesnt happen bcoz of the file size... but the amount of connections (like multiple pieces download as in flashget) or multiple downloads at once... when I say big files, it is not the size really matters, what matters is the length that takes... bcoz some sort of flow is not being handled over long period of time and/or some buffers/cached are being filled that cannot be flushed/cleaned for some reason, than you cannot continue to use your network bcoz something is choked.... if you know what i mean... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonker Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 boot with -v and check for error messages also did u install drivers for your nvidia? if so, u will need to remove it... since 10.5.1 is known not to work for certain gfx chips, but fixed on 10.5.2... I get the same thing. By using an IDE DVD and connecting an IDE HD, it let me install to my SATA drive. It installs then asks for restart. When I restart, it says push any key to access boot options. Typing in any flag causes it to reboot again. No flags gets me to grey apple logo screen and spinning pinwheel. It hangs at this point. As r3 is 10.5.1, are you saying to NOT pick a vid driver at install? It hangs at the same point installing on BOTH IDE and SATA HD's. It says to format as MBR, should I try GUID? (kalway says use GUID but don't know if it would work for iATKOSr3) The kernel part is confusing. I have a wolfdale C2D 3.0 Ghz. What do I use? There are three options for ss3, ss3 and ss2/3. Any help is appreciated. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 I get the same thing. By using an IDE DVD and connecting an IDE HD, it let me install to my SATA drive. It installs then asks for restart. When I restart, it says push any key to access boot options. Typing in any flag causes it to reboot again. No flags gets me to grey apple logo screen and spinning pinwheel. It hangs at this point. As r3 is 10.5.1, are you saying to NOT pick a vid driver at install? It hangs at the same point installing on BOTH IDE and SATA HD's. It says to format as MBR, should I try GUID? (kalway says use GUID but don't know if it would work for iATKOSr3) The kernel part is confusing. I have a wolfdale C2D 3.0 Ghz. What do I use? There are three options for ss3, ss3 and ss2/3. Any help is appreciated. try installing the basic things (no drivers only the options i showed) as in the guide at post #2 only... and than once install finished restart and take the dvd out! and boot with -v only and check the error lines... and wait about 2-3 mins to see if it will be able to make it to account creation page? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VasH Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 sad news I've found what cause all the network problem to me: it's my new wacom tablet. As soon as I install the wacom kext my network starts to drop the connection. I've just removed the kext and all seems fine now after few test. I've written to wacom support... I hope that this is caused by the "just-released" Leopard Wacom driver, and that it will be solved with the new version. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 sad news I've found what cause all the network problem to me: it's my new wacom tablet. As soon as I install the wacom kext my network starts to drop the connection. I've just removed the kext and all seems fine now after few test. I've written to wacom support... I hope that this is caused by the "just-released" Leopard Wacom driver, and that it will be solved with the new version. good to know that you found the problem, bad to know you have a problem wish you good luck with wacom... they may refuse to support you as you are not on real mac just warning you... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonker Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 mysticus I have a wolfdale E8400 CPU 3.0Ghz C2D. Should I use nForce no HPET SSE3 nForce no HPET SSE2 or SSE2/SSE3 How do I know what my CPU is? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 9, 2008 Author Share Posted March 9, 2008 mysticus I have a wolfdale E8400 CPU 3.0Ghz C2D. Should I use nForce no HPET SSE3 nForce no HPET SSE2 or SSE2/SSE3 How do I know what my CPU is? use the same settings as suggested on the guide, it should be ok... but no other drivers selected... (if u want u can try gfx drivers but dont suggest it yet...) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonker Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 mysticus THANK YOU!!! I entered the EXACT stuff you did at install. I restarted and went to boot menu and chose the SATA HD I installed to. 20 seconds later (booted as fast as winXP does on this home built machine) I was setting up leopard. I don't have internet atm, gonna see what to do about that, but I am going to follow your kalway pkg update instructions and then the graphics update. Thank you for your work in osX86. I can't believe how fast it booted once I selected the disc. 20seconds to fully booted. WOW!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muitommy Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 @nitrokki have you get passed that screen, i have figured it out cus i just have flash installed on my test sata drive tell me if you still need help. i get stuck in that screen too, but later on i try boot up in single user mode, delete all NV* drivers in extensions, then execute exit, boot up:) @mysticus test your gfx installer, i find that some string is missing inside, like mine 0x0611, that will make system hang up at boot, after i added these string into NVDAResman.kext and NVDA50HAL.kext, everything works fine, let see if you would edit a installer a bit Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-660975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 @nitrokki have you get passed that screen, i have figured it out cus i just have flash installed on my test sata drive tell me if you still need help. i get stuck in that screen too, but later on i try boot up in single user mode, delete all NV* drivers in extensions, then execute exit, boot up:) @mysticus test your gfx installer, i find that some string is missing inside, like mine 0x0611, that will make system hang up at boot, after i added these string into NVDAResman.kext and NVDA50HAL.kext, everything works fine, let see if you would edit a installer a bit thats why i need testers i dont know which ids are missing and where they are needed as I dont have nvidia gfx card... I will fix it no problem... I just need to know which ids are missing, where they are needed... not much experience in nvidia cards... @mui: so if you can tell me what ids are needed and in which drivers, then i can add them one by one to the right driver so they can work for many others... I want you to help me in two things... 1-) what ids are missing and which drivers needs these ids? for example: you said 061110de is missing, which drivers? which nvdanhal? and is it needed in nvdaresman as well? 2-) can you tell me if the gfx installer worked for you (apart from missing ids, but u know it s out of my knowledge already...)? did natit in my installer caused trouble? (bcoz the natit i added is for ati radeon hd gfx cards specially 2900 xt ) after your help, i will wrap up the installer again with new ids added... and any bugs if u find will be fixed... @zonker: welcome aboard and good luck... Hope you dont blame me for your internet as I try to help install os x and cant tell much about individual devices like different nic, gfx card and all other sort of things... just to remind you, there is a driver for your on board network card, however this driver is extremely not stable... and causes very quick freezes so watch out!!!, if you want internet (somewhat experience) get a network card with 8139, or intel8255x chip on it... or any other from HCL... but like i said, somewhat experience bcoz networking on nforce chipsets has some drawbacks... as dropping the connection on heavy loads... so driver needs to be unloaded and reloaded again or restart needed... for surfing, it is ideal, and downloading stuffs one at a time is also ideal, but if u download too many files at the same time for so long it causes network drops, also one big file with multiple connections (like flashget or torrents if u know what i mean) also causes trouble of network drop... so it s up to you to have it or not... good luck.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muitommy Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 @mysticus by now, i can said 0611 is one of the missing id, and this id is needed in nvda50hal.kext and nvdaresman.kext ... i can help you in this area, and you need to collect from other users but i know 0611 is the most common id for 8800GT, and yea, natit cause no problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- made some progress for the freeze prob. i just removed xcode3, my system seems run more stable than before, by now, i would say nothing about these. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 @mysticusby now, i can said 0611 is one of the missing id, and this id is needed in nvda50hal.kext and nvdaresman.kext ... i can help you in this area, and you need to collect from other users but i know 0611 is the most common id for 8800GT, and yea, natit cause no problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- made some progress for the freeze prob. i just removed xcode3, my system seems run more stable than before, by now, i would say nothing about these. for the network, mui, dont try harder, there is definetely a place that needs editing somewhere in (ionetworkfamily/network.frameworks) that is causing the current troubles... i dont think it s in mtu size, bcoz it only will delay the filling up of the buffers/caches which cant be flushed properly (causing something to choke) in multi threading in nforce chipsets... for gfx ids, I think i found another place the get the ids, will see how it goes... but dont expect from me too much as some devices needed specific gfx strings as well as bios flashing i think... will try my best to get this working for as many people as possible... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muitommy Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 @mysticus lol, i know what you mean, and i remember what you said, yea, no relations to mtu, i'm using default settings and keep getting the tx error, but no connections drop (now is 2 hour already) with heavy load, interesting huh? let see what happen if i let it upload overnight... test it won't hurt right"? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 @mysticuslol, i know what you mean, and i remember what you said, yea, no relations to mtu, i'm using default settings and keep getting the tx error, but no connections drop (now is 2 hour already) with heavy load, interesting huh? let see what happen if i let it upload overnight... test it won't hurt right"? great test i would say, try it as long as possible and see what happens... tx error is somewhat is existed in original driver design according to the realtek companies papers... said it has been fixed... however I dont know really if it s fixed or not... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonker Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I did notice that system profiler gives my CPU as: 3.0 Ghz unknown but it does recognize all 4Gb of my ram. Will the kalway 5.2 pkg fix this? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 I did notice that system profiler gives my CPU as: 3.0 Ghz unknown but it does recognize all 4Gb of my ram. Will the kalway 5.2 pkg fix this? these are visual stuffs and not that important... check your activity monitor to see if two cores are working... there are guides to fix these information... i posted one link regarding it... like i said not very important... up to you to play around... kalyway is not a fix for that information... it s total system update... the information regarding cpus and other stuffs are related to some drivers... and is not that important... so dont worry about it too much... as long as you have a stable system... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincio3 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hi all, I'm new here... I had problems with a MSI-7366 (chipset nforce 630i and 7100), 1 SATA HDD 160Gb (4 partitions, last one FAT32), 1 SATA DVD DL... I tried Kalyway 10.5.1.0, JAS 10.4.8.0 but no results. Always: Waiting for root device... I tried with an USB drive, with a PATA HD 8Gb (an old glory!) Please, help me! I cannot find r3...could you tell me where is it? Many thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hi all, I'm new here... I had problems with a MSI-7366 (chipset nforce 630i and 7100), 1 SATA HDD 160Gb (4 partitions, last one FAT32), 1 SATA DVD DL... I tried Kalyway 10.5.1.0, JAS 10.4.8.0 but no results. Always: Waiting for root device... I tried with an USB drive, with a PATA HD 8Gb (an old glory!) Please, help me! I cannot find r3...could you tell me where is it? Many thanks check your PM and please read the messages/and guides properly.... please read everything and dont jump to the last page and start asking stuffs before you even read anything... make sure you create a hardware profile in your signature... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticus C* Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Making the new gfx installer and tidying up all the device ids... please help me build it up... so i can add them to correct places... currently I have below device ids... if you see yours is missing letme know... the model name and id... 0x004010de 0x009010de 0x00f010de 0x011010de 0x014010de 0x016010de 0x017010de 0x017910de 0x018010de 0x018810de 0x018910de 0x019010de 0x01d010de 0x020010de 0x022010de 0x025010de 0x028010de 0x029010de 0x029810de 0x030010de 0x031010de 0x032010de 0x033010de 0x034010de 0x035010de 0x036010de 0x039010de 0x039110de 0x040010de 0x042010de 0x06e010de 0x060010de 0x061110de will add the missing ones and wrap up the installer... but i need proper information You need to tell me what series your card is and device id, bcoz if i add it to wrong Hal driver, it may cause panic or other problems... ==================== Below is for me to add the ids to right driver........................ ==================== older cards NVDANV10Hal.kext 4xxx cards NVDANV20Hal.kext 5xxx cards NVDANV30Hal.kext 6xxx cards NVDANV40Hal.kext 7xxx cards NVDANV40Hal.kext 8xxx cards NVDANV50Hal.kext ==================== Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/87901-nforce-chipsets-how-to-install-leo-easy-and-fast-with-iatkos-v10i-r3-nforce-edition-or-kalyway-1052-dvd/page/18/#findComment-661780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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