booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I didn't get it to work. AppleAirPortBrcm4311.kext complained about that it wasnt a bundle file and that it couldn't find its requirements. I fixed the requirements thing by switching come files with the kext file from 10.4.5 but I couldn't seem to get the bundle file error fixed. Although, I did find something interesting. When I was installing os x, I opened up the Network program and along with my ethernet being listed like it always is, there were also two entries called Item 2 and Item 3. I was thinking that one was the wireless and one was the modem. But after installation, those two entries never show up again. Weird.I just had an idea. In order to verify if power is or is not getting to the card, I could test the port with a multi meter in both windows and os x. Does anybody know which pins I would use to test this?I just found more info on the topic. When I was waiting for my install dvd to boot, I saw this in a line on the screen [s0 S3 S4 S5] (S3). These are power states of the pci port. The power states in brackets are the sleeping states that can happen and the sleeping state in parentheses is the current sleeping state. I found this document when searching on google: http://www.intel.com/technology/pciexpress...chPowerMgmt.pdf This document describes the power states and what they mean. S0- Working state, S3- Microsoft OS Standby, S4- Microsoft OS Hibernate, and S5- Microsoft OS Soft off. So it appears that the reason that this card is not working is because it is in a standby state. Now we know that there is absolutly no doubt that it is a problem with the card slot and not the card (Although this was known before, we have solid proof).Even more information (man I'm on a roll), this was collected from windows device manager:S0->D0S1->UnspecifiedS2->UnspecifiedS3->D3S4->D3S5->D3This means that since the card is always in a constant S3 sleeping state, that the card is always off. It seems that to get this card to work, we need to somehow get the sleeping state to change to S0 this way the card will power on and we will have wifi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Nice, some hard info! That document is pretty interesting. I'm still reading it in fact. I'm assuming that a driver or firmware would be able to change the power state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnypanks Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 if someone is feeling gutsy they can delete some powermanagement stuff. i finally have my lappy working how i want, so im not feeling too adventurous, wifi is the last thing left. i hope this gets figured out before i slap down cash for a pcmcia card,(since i already "wasted" money on a 1490) is there some sort of boot flag to disable apic, like in ubuntu there is noapic or apic=off also how can u distinguish those states (s0 s3 etc) is for processor or pci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 27, 2008 Author Share Posted January 27, 2008 Maybe that stuff can be disabled through the CMOS? It would be pretty dangerous work though, I'd rather not risk doing something like that. It'd be easier and safer to make a driver that would utilize the power management. Maybe in the power management files there is a way to force the pcie bus to stay on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I was thinking of making an application that interfaced with the AirPort driver instead of making a new one although that might not work and a driver might have to be written but then you get into the whole firmware issue. Then again, that might not work. I wouldn't risk working with the CMOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngi Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 hey guys, that's really interesting and im willing to help you experiment (although i couldnt wait and just ordered the original apple airport card, i really hope this apple card would work). anyway, i have 2 mac installations, identical so i could experiment on one till im sure it's working then apply the changes to the main one. in fact, i just finished getting dual displays on my hp with go 7400 (i never faced the black screen issue like vaio laptops), but i mean that im ready to experiment what you want. so what's ur suggestions for tests..let's get it started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 Maybe the Ralink Wireless Utility could be modified to include this infamous problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Possibly, this would give us some head start at least. By the way guys, if you want information on this stuff, its a really good idea to read the guides at http://developer.apple.com/documentationThe only problem is that the only source for that driver is for linux. So thats a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Although this idea probably will not work I figure I will give it a try as if it works it will save us a ton of work. Ok my idea is I found an application in Vista that turns the wireless on and off. My thought is that I could run it n Darwine and see if it does anything again I doubt it will work but it is definitively worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 28, 2008 Author Share Posted January 28, 2008 I'm curious to see the results, if it works you'll be my hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngi Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 i doubt itll work, i once tried on parallels to install drivers but of course didnt work, the VM couldnt see that specific hardware, it takes all from parallels, so i guess will be the same with darwine..gd luck still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvanaguy19 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 hey good progress guys i have a compaq c504us with the same issue you guys have, have you noticed that if you boot into windows first and restart and boot into osx the led on the wifi button on the laptop is powered up (blue color light is on). where as if you boot directly into os x the led on the wifi button is not powered up, i know someone already proved that that is not a power issue on the card (taping off certain parts of the wifi card) but i am curios why the blue led is only light when it goes into windows and then into osx , i am guessing its a problem of the pci express not being powered up. Anyway , even when it boots into osx with the blue led on wifi doesnt work, although i dont know if its any different than when booting with no blue led on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnypanks Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 the port that doesn't power up is Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 1 8086:27d0 rev02 also Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) PCI Express Port 2 8086:27d2 if that somehow helps anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngi Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 i checked and i have that port with the same IDs, but how do you know it's that same one that is not powered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funnypanks Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 i checked and i have that port with the same IDs, but how do you know it's that same one that is not powered? because those r the ones that my wifi and ethernet are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 Either way, if we can figure out how to force power to the slots then we're good to go. I'll do some googling but honestly I think it'll probably end up being boogersniffer that fixes this issue =\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngi Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 because those r the ones that my wifi and ethernet are in. is it normal then that my ethernet works natively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted January 29, 2008 Author Share Posted January 29, 2008 It works natively for some people and doesn't for others, it's perfectly normal as far as I'm concerned. As long as it works I wouldn't ask about it--you might jinx it xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngi Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 haha, well what im concerned about is how am i different than the rest on this topic, my card is not in any manner seen by the OS, but you guys are sayin like it is detected but somehow u cannot connect or access the card and that the wireless switch seems turned off... is this what ur having folks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Yeah its detected but only detected through ioreg (which is short for IORegistry) in the command line or the XCode program IORegistry. But you can't see it in the System Profiler. I still haven't tried my wireless switch program theory yet because I haven't had the time ( I have been working on building a go cart ). I will either do it later today or tommarrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamcanadian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I figured id jump in ive got a acer 5570 (forgot exact model) and i have a intel 3945 and a brodcom 4311. unfortunately neither work, although progress has been made on the intel card, i dont care what cad i have to use i just want internet so anything i can do to help id like to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandera Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 if someone is feeling gutsy they can delete some powermanagement stuff. i finally have my lappy working how i want, so im not feeling too adventurous, wifi is the last thing left. i hope this gets figured out before i slap down cash for a pcmcia card,(since i already "wasted" money on a 1490)is there some sort of boot flag to disable apic, like in ubuntu there is noapic or apic=off also how can u distinguish those states (s0 s3 etc) is for processor or pci how do you get to work PS/2 controller (notebook?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 zandera, this isn't what this topic is for. Search the forums.Oh and by the way, running that program in OS X didn't turn the wireless on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamcanadian Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 So basically from what i understand we just need software to force the card into S0 mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booger_sniffer5000 Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Well, technically, we are trying to force it into D0 as a result of the forcing the S0 mode. And I am guessing that we would just need ( I am not trying to make it sound easy, because it wont be ) software that can interface with the AppleBrcm4311 driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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