Hagar Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 from what I understand, netkas's solution still requires a custom-compiled kernel and therefore really doesn't take us any further than where we are today. The whole point of using EFI is to be able to boot the stock apple kernel, system etc, from an EFI-enabled PC.. just afaik... there isn't much info around on this development. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-369351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhai Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I just wished we could get rid of the lonewolfiness, and cooperate with the findings. and btw if anyone have the time or resources to add anything more to this it would be cool: http://efi.openmacos.com/wiki Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-369403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap18 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I should be getting a P35 chipset mobo (Asus p5k) so I will be able to run some tests if you need to see if intel has happened to add anything cool in its new chipset/ich9. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-369483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOoOoO Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 My reasons were to get it working on pc with efi, it was experiment, not for mainstream using, just to collect knowledgments for later use. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-369808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizbot Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I'm glad that the work is showing results. IIRC, with EFI working, certain video drivers will work without modification? I'll be very much impressed if the stock kernel won't need patching sometime, but booting with EFI is a step forward. Netkas' page says something about a "Kiko" "stealing" some OS X patch. That "lonewolfness" really is annoying. No need to explain anything here and derail a topic, I don't need to know that stuff, it's just a good example of someone wanting to "go it alone" and not share new developments. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-369925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOoOoO Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 don't start stupid war again... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-370824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizbot Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Of course not. I know nothing about it other than the post I saw on the netkas page. I'm simply interested in EFI progress. What benefits does the current progress bring? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-372173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted May 29, 2007 Author Share Posted May 29, 2007 none, its actually more trouble imo Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-374266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitaliy Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 from what I understand, netkas's solution still requires a custom-compiled kernel and therefore really doesn't take us any further than where we are today. The whole point of using EFI is to be able to boot the stock apple kernel, system etc, from an EFI-enabled PC.. just afaik... there isn't much info around on this development. it's not possible simply because there are cpu checks in kernel and efi can't help us here, so patches will be needed in any case Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-374639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 Hmm, not if you have core 2's and vt-x Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-375729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogabean Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Hey Kiko! Nice to see you keeping this afloat. Seems like after reading over everything you guys ended up duplicating the results I had where the graphics would crash it out. Are you still stalled out on that? I don't have my dev environment setup anymore.. but if I get some time I might see if I can get set back up and let you know since I'm not working on anything else OSx86 related atm. I'll let you know hopefully soon. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-380462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted June 22, 2007 Author Share Posted June 22, 2007 Hey rogabean, yeah, that'd be great. just been really busy trying to get my life together lately Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-392203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogabean Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Well it looks like the best results have been gotten from DUET.. unfortunately I'm a machine now that doesn't work with DUET so I'm going to have to rectify that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-395617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinosx Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 ok, so under Netkas' blog he says that he is off the x86 efi for sometime thanks to "chmoski" and he's switching to iphone? http://netkas.freeflux.net/blog/ ?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 netkas hasnt worked on efi since may iirc, none of us have really done any work surrounding efi lately as the only valid/viable option would be to flash boards. which none of us have the tools to do Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinosx Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 oh wow! good to know! thanks Kiko Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genex Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Does this mean that we will never have a BootCamp option? And that we allways have to patch a kernel , APLESMIBIOS, & or others kext to have working system? Wow that sucks man.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 Well, if you dont like it. Buy a mac. Not until motherboard vendors such as Intel and asus start to allow UEFI booting, then we will/should be able to get bootcamp, etc etc Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeSuKuN Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I thought that there were intel boards efi based already :S Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizbot Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 Yes, but Intel hasn't allowed, or it hasn't been discovered how to boot EFI on these boards. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genex Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 So Netkas is going to give a new kernel of leopard, or osx86 project stops here. Good, i miss Maxxuss. He was King. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elRey Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 netkas and all others will work on all, when leopard final is released so take your time Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-415984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
janderson7715 Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 The whole point of using EFI is to be able to boot the stock apple kernel, system etc, from an EFI-enabled PC...<br /><br />I am less concerned about using a stock a kernel then being able to take advantage of firmware functionality like BootCamp and BootSelector and TargetDisk Mode.<br /><br />The original reason I was interested in EFI was to enable the use of Apple graphics drivers and with Natit and such that is no longer an issue.<br /><br />... from what I understand, netkas's solution still requires a custom-compiled kernel and therefore really doesn't take us any further than where we are today...just afaik... there isn't much info around on this development.What exactly has netkas accomplished on the EFI front, this is not clear to me: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-416204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genex Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 how can one use a stock kernel withouth EFI ? As i know many kext and kernel communicate with EFI info So we need an Emulator Right ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-416304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizbot Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 One cannot use the stock kernel without EFI, and probably some apple boot software (boot.efi or something?). An emulator could work, by booting in BIOS and then into an EFI environment, or there needs to be a way to boot the motherboard into EFI. The only way to get proper and full OS X support on PC hardware, is to have EFI working. It's why I truly hope that efforts will continue on MacEFIx86. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/42212-were-back/page/2/#findComment-417218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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