empreality Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Maybe if Wnidows seven were faster than Xp, but is not. Slower booting, more disk activity, slow gui, etc... http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft....ms-vista-and-xp I want the hd to be ready for my requests and not reading and caching something he "believes" I might need in the future. Awe, how cute. You refer to HDs by gender. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyin916 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft....ms-vista-and-xpAwe, how cute. You refer to HDs by gender. /me waits for VooD's wikipedia comeback Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft....ms-vista-and-xpAwe, how cute. You refer to HDs by gender. Great, so I have to believe an individual journalist and not my own results? lol On the other hand, english is not my mother tongue. I'd like to know how well are you able to write a foreign language before making fun of someone english skills. Anyway, if Windows is so great, what are you doing running MacOS X? /me waits for VooD's wikipedia comeback ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
empreality Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Anyway, if Windows is so great, what are you doing running MacOS X? I don't, I am just trolling. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
idividebyzero Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Maybe if Wnidows seven were faster than Xp, but is not. Slower booting, more disk activity, slow gui, etc... Hard disk still are the slowest part of a computer, so why would I want to have the prefetcher reading in background all the time to fill my free memory? I want the hd to be ready for my requests and not reading and caching something he "believes" I might need in the future. Prefetching frees up ram when it is needed, it NEVER steals ram from other programs or keeps it to itself. Your HDD is probably being used because its indexing files for fast search, when Vista first came out the indexing was buggy and went crazy with indexing so Windows 7 might be doing the same. If you are so scared of using ram then why not go back to win98 or 95? Youll only use a few mbs of ram. Of course less ram being used doesnt mean your computer will go faster. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Prefetching frees up ram when it is needed, it NEVER steals ram from other programs or keeps it to itself. Your HDD is probably being used because its indexing files for fast search, when Vista first came out the indexing was buggy and went crazy with indexing so Windows 7 might be doing the same. If you are so scared of using ram then why not go back to win98 or 95? Youll only use a few mbs of ram. Of course less ram being used doesnt mean your computer will go faster. You should try using filemon, you would be surprised about how much HDD reads the prefetcher does once the desktop is loaded. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1029983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyin916 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Great, so I have to believe an individual journalist and not my own results? lol On the other hand, english is not my mother tongue. I'd like to know how well are you able to write a foreign language before making fun of someone english skills. Anyway, if Windows is so great, what are you doing running MacOS X? ? i repair mac computers on the side. it's easy when i keep up with the latest stuff as well as os 7.5 and later. i keep up with trends that allow me to make extra bucks on the side. when macs fail, they fail pretty bad and there are people out there that will pay top dollar for a fix. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1030313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtran1025 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 the latest incarnation- build 7000 is much easier to live with. 3 major areas: - Installs in about 20 mins. - Better driver support and networking but still too irritating. Difficult to set up for no reason at all. - Most important is support for GPT and EFI. This makes it very very livable in a Mac centric environment. No need to do boot camp or format your disk to MBR. I just tried mine with GUID + PCEFI and it installed then rebooted OK. This is a giant step forward for a lot of us who live in dual boot environment. Windows is bag full of hurts. I can't live without it. But It's unbearable to live with sometimes. Try to back up the entire HD and rebuild it on a new HD. Every new install from scratch is so discouraging when you factor in all the programs you have to re-install. I never understand this horrible mindset from MS. Well, once again, I learn to live with windows and dream about OS X. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1034626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Maybe if Wnidows seven were faster than Xp, but is not. Slower booting, more disk activity, slow gui, etc... God you have no clue. Windows 7 is faster than XP, it boots faster than XP. It's codified fact. I'm guessing you're one of these pathetic idiots with a suped up PC filled up to the eyeballs with blue LED's, then install gentoo with openbox because HEAVEN FORBID that this PC might actually have to do some work. Heres a newsflash for you; you want the OS to use ALL of your RAM, this is where Vista and Win 7 have got it right. You want the OS to cache all of your spare RAM for immediate use, XP doesn't do this! Windows 7 is great. Fantastic boot times, RAM utilisation, performance, hardware detection and the automated driver process. It's really a fantastic step forward for Microsoft. One feature in particular that few have noticed is that following a crash, win 7 will identify the source and do a quick system restore to eliminate the error (almost like an instant Time Machine) and do not worry! This process still keeps all your files intact. Right now there are some bugs, the shutdown manager, error handler is a little too quick in assuming a program has crashed or stopped responding (this is the difficulty in creating a responsive OS). It's my main OS on my laptop right now, it's a Windows OS that you can trust to do what an OS is for, gettting the full potential from your hardware! I won't buy it unless MS do wonders with the pricing, but then again most people don't buy a Windows OS unless it's pre-installed, especially with Vista being so "easily available" Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 God you have no clue. Windows 7 is faster than XP, it boots faster than XP. It's codified fact. I'm guessing you're one of these pathetic idiots with a suped up PC filled up to the eyeballs with blue LED's, then install gentoo with openbox because HEAVEN FORBID that this PC might actually have to do some work. Heres a newsflash for you; you want the OS to use ALL of your RAM, this is where Vista and Win 7 have got it right. You want the OS to cache all of your spare RAM for immediate use, XP doesn't do this! Windows 7 is great. Fantastic boot times, RAM utilisation, performance, hardware detection and the automated driver process. It's really a fantastic step forward for Microsoft. One feature in particular that few have noticed is that following a crash, win 7 will identify the source and do a quick system restore to eliminate the error (almost like an instant Time Machine) and do not worry! This process still keeps all your files intact. Right now there are some bugs, the shutdown manager, error handler is a little too quick in assuming a program has crashed or stopped responding (this is the difficulty in creating a responsive OS). It's my main OS on my laptop right now, it's a Windows OS that you can trust to do what an OS is for, gettting the full potential from your hardware! I won't buy it unless MS do wonders with the pricing, but then again most people don't buy a Windows OS unless it's pre-installed, especially with Vista being so "easily available" Thanks for the insults, it tells a lot about what kind of person you are. One of these days I may be bored enough to make a video comparison of the same computer booting XP and W7, and doing some tasks. Then you'll probably change your mind. Btw...never used linux for more than 10 minutes. It's surprinsing how many assumptions you can make about somebody you have never met just because you don't agree with him. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewNZ Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thanks for the insults, it tells a lot about what kind of person you are.One of these days I may be bored enough to make a video comparison of the same computer booting XP and W7, and doing some tasks. Then you'll probably change your mind. Btw...never used linux for more than 10 minutes. It's surprinsing how many assumptions you can make about somebody you have never met just because you don't agree with him. There are definite performance improvements over XP and Vista so I wonder if there's something amiss with your install. I think you should be finding it faster, not slower. Boot and shutdown times are way better and apps open very quickly indeed. I'd be interested in some comparisons between OS X, Vista and Win7. I'll do some timings over the weekend and post my results and I hope some others might do the same - could be interesting to see just how well MS have optimized the OS. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 There are definite performance improvements over XP and Vista so I wonder if there's something amiss with your install. I think you should be finding it faster, not slower. Boot and shutdown times are way better and apps open very quickly indeed. I'd be interested in some comparisons between OS X, Vista and Win7. I'll do some timings over the weekend and post my results and I hope some others might do the same - could be interesting to see just how well MS have optimized the OS. Definetively I might do some video comparison XP vs W7 this weekend, and not running on a Virtual Machine, but on real hardware, on the same hard disk and partition. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkhockeypro19 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thanks for the insults, it tells a lot about what kind of person you are.One of these days I may be bored enough to make a video comparison of the same computer booting XP and W7, and doing some tasks. Then you'll probably change your mind. Btw...never used linux for more than 10 minutes. It's surprinsing how many assumptions you can make about somebody you have never met just because you don't agree with him. ur both retarded. and windows 7 boots faster than XP, trust me. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 ur both retarded. and windows 7 boots faster than XP, trust me. lol poor guy. You should learn how to defend your arguments. You know? There are other ways apart from insulting. How old are you? 13? lol Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdtran1025 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 I spoke too soon. Tis weekend I tried to install the Beta(build 7000) on my son's machine with tons of game on it for I think Win7 has that nice incremental backup. Well, after about 1 hour and 30' becasue he had a lot of game programs), it booted up OK with all the usual settings of the owners of accounts. But I had problems of getting into Control Panel or any of its associated settings. Other programs seem to run OK. I have to find out why this is. The standalone installs on 3 other PCs are OK. Oh, btw, for people that argue and cling on to XP or Vista, please move on. Vista is crippled and lame. XP will be dropped. Just like I always upgrade to the latest OS X OS no matter if it breaks my old install like Win7 Beta is doing to me now. I will find ways to fix the break, ! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 This is from pre-beta as well. Oh wait. I always forget that people love to argue against fact. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1038817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 This is from pre-beta as well. Oh wait. I always forget that people love to argue against fact. That are just individual results from an individual computer owned by an specific journalist. So, they are as valid as mine or anyone else. But hey, thanks for the results, I'll make myself the same tests. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Well I still think I'm right and I'm going to be stubborn about this even though I have nothing to argue OK Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 OK Drawing graphs is easy. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sama7896 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 i myself did not test the latest 7000 build, i did try b6801 32-bit on a C2D 2.0 GHz, 1 GB Ram Nvidia 8400 G laptop: -boot time was faster (vss XP 32 bit) -general performance was ok (not as responsive as xp) -gaming was horibble compared to xp, guess i would need at least 2 GB ram for something to change in win7 i erased it mainly because i did not find a daemon-tools/ compatible alternative and also because the laptop would not sleep when i closed the lid/or it would begin to sleep and wake at the slitest mouse movement .... --->>not good. Plus Boubles game cannot be "tweaked" in win7 (wife ) looks better (really liked the new hide taskbar thingy... ), but the control pannel is still a mess/ PITA to configure anything (seems m$ is dropping ease of use for good looks - they really seem to like icons now ...). Still it has very nice enhancements, some smart pieces of software there, but damn if it is worth a upgrade... xp still rulles the non-hyperPC market Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Drawing graphs is easy. Look at the source. It's CNET. i myself did not test the latest 7000 build, i did try b6801 32-bit on a C2D 2.0 GHz, 1 GB Ram Nvidia 8400 G laptop:-boot time was faster (vss XP 32 bit) -general performance was ok (not as responsive as xp) -gaming was horibble compared to xp, guess i would need at least 2 GB ram for something to change in win7 i erased it mainly because i did not find a daemon-tools/ compatible alternative and also because the laptop would not sleep when i closed the lid/or it would begin to sleep and wake at the slitest mouse movement .... --->>not good. Plus Boubles game cannot be "tweaked" in win7 (wife ) looks better (really liked the new hide taskbar thingy... ), but the control pannel is still a mess/ PITA to configure anything (seems m$ is dropping ease of use for good looks - they really seem to like icons now ...). Still it has very nice enhancements, some smart pieces of software there, but damn if it is worth a upgrade... xp still rulles the non-hyperPC market Vista and Win 7 show their worth in a 2GB+ setup. When you have 1Gb you might as well stick to XP. As for daemon tools, you can use Virtual Clone Drive. Just make sure to reboot following install. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I know the source is CNET. Those graphs were on everywhere a couple of weeks ago, but still doesn't mean anything (at least for me). Btw I just made the same tests in my computer and guess what? XP SP3 won (just by a little, but won). I taped the whole benchmark process, and I'll upload somewhere as soon as I can. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I know the source is CNET. Those graphs were on everywhere a couple of weeks ago, but still doesn't mean anything (at least for me). Btw I just made the same tests in my computer and guess what? XP SP3 won (just by a little, but won). I taped the whole benchmark process, and I'll upload somewhere as soon as I can. Bad troll or Genuine Idiot. I'm not sure anymore. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VooD Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Bad troll or Genuine Idiot. I'm not sure anymore. Lol, just wait for the video And please, don't be a kid, and behave. There are better ways to argue with someone's opinion than insulting. Btw...Did you take the same test by yourself or is just you blindy trust everything CNET writes? Do the tests...you may be surprised. Anyway the tests CNET did were pretty silly for testing two different OS, mostly because both programs are mainly testing the cpu, with little intervention from the os itself, but even with that in mind XP SP3 was a bit faster in my setup. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishduck Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Anyway the tests CNET did were pretty silly for testing two different OS, mostly because both programs are mainly testing the cpu, with little intervention from the os itself. The primary function of an OS is to utilise hardware... I look forward to your "benchmark". Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/143552-windows-7-some-minor-improvements-no-game-changer/page/2/#findComment-1039912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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