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Interesting deviation from the topic... anyway, I love laptops and always have. When Apple releases the iBook x86, I'll be first in line to pick one up... assuming of course that it easily dualboots with XP/Vista. If not, I'll get one eventually, just not immediately. I love OS X, but I'm still a Windows user at heart... and sad as it is, I'm just not ready to give up on the operating system that taught me how to use a computer. Hell, I can thank MS-DOS for my current major in college (computer engineering, if you're curious).

Oh, and by the way... who exactly cares if Mac OS X is a "true" operating system or just a shell for Darwin? Either way, it kicks a**.

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I rely on facts, you rely on bitching.


No, you rely on opinion, not fact.

I would like to suggest a solution for you - write a script that replaces every instance of 'Mac OS X' on your screen with 'Darwin', to make you happy, and you then no longer need to continue your mental masturbation.

On the other hand, if you just want to hear us proclaim you as being much smarter than us, I will gladly put it in my signature, if would just make you shut up. In the meantime, "Yes, Zorxd, you are much smarter than us, as only you know the truth of the OS that we call Mac OS X" There, now shut up, and stop thread-{censored} this thread.

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I will be MORE than happy to fork over $1,600 for a 12" powerbook that can run both Windows and OSX. The only thing limiting me from buying one now is the fact that I can't run windows on a powerbook, but this, obviously, is being fixed :(. I can't wait for the new powerbooks to come out!

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I'll be buying the last G5 PPC desktop machine available. I'm going to be holding onto my PPC architecture for as long as possible (which will be around 2010) Maybe I should buy a Sun.

I didn't spend 12 months learning how to properly code Altivec, just to abandon it. I'm not a professional coder so I learnt it all in my spare time and had a hard enough time as it was. I'm not porting my apps that I spent time converting Linux endian specific x86 code to be endian independent. Like there is a point???

I bought a Mac to get away from the x86 platform. I really wanted a PA-RISC running NeXT or a DEC Alpha. But when I heard that Rhapsody (being the original name for OSX) was a rebuilt NeXT. I started saving for a Mac. Especially since they had dual cpus in their machines! tasty!

At work we use Xserves as unix servers and are no longer seeing the point to purchase an Xserve if it's just going to have the same cpu as those intel or ibm or dell servers.


Long live alternative architectures!!!
Pity there is no longer any consumer choice. x86 wins :)

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>Then where can I download or buy that modified VMS because I don't like the XP GUI anyways?

get yourself some WindowsBlind {censored}

> Windows XP works on top of the NT kernel

well, Windows XP IS Windows NT (version 5.1, just, given a "better" name)



You can install Darwin without installing OS X. And Darwin is free. When you pay for OS X you are actually paying for a GUI and some apps because the kernel is free.

lol, sorry to tell you that man but now that sounded quite dumb. Want a Mac with nuthin but Darwin on it? What you're doing on that OSx86 {censored} if Darwin is all that, Darwin has been running on x86 for a long time, why you're bothering with OSx86 then??

> OS X is nice, but that doesn't mean it's a full OS. Saying OS X is an OS is like saying KDE and GNOME are two OS.

sorry again, but that was twice as dumb as the previous thing. Mac OS X isnt a full OS? hahahaha, if it aint, then there is no such thing as a full OS man (or do you think of anything that is a full OS, MS DOS maybe? oh wait, i'm sure u'd say BeOS is a full OS)

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As KDE is more than just a GUI
As Win95 is more than just a GUI

Can you tell me why is OS X an OS and not Win95 please?

Please at least explain yourself because you don't seems to know what's an OS.
Sometimes some people just can't admit they have been thinking something wrong from the beginning.

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OS X is an OS. (period). Windows 95 is an OS too, i know that as a matter of fact, cuz i took on Windows 95 CD, i booted it in VMware, installed it, and well, looked pretty much like an OS to me.

Do I get as dumb as you if i say Mac OS 7 isn't an OS because it's based on Mac OS 6?

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I never said you said Win95 is not an OS, but a lot of people did. Ask anybody who knows what is the true deffinition of an OS if Win95 is an OS or a bundle of apps and GUI that run on top of dos.

I thought all Darwin drivers were the same as Mac OS X drivers?
Don't we use kext from the Darwin CD to boot OSX86?

I know Darwin drivers are different from FreeBSD but they are the same than Mac OS X. You took the worst example.

A GUI and some libs and apps doesn't make an OS, sorry

I am still wating for your real arguments.

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ight, I got you some definitions of what an OS is from Google Define :

"The software that runs a computer, including scheduling tasks, managing storage, and handling communication with peripherals. Examples include DOS, Windows 95 and UNIX.
www.fkcc.edu/links/library/lis2004/glossary.htm"

"This is the software that manages a computer system. Windows 95 is an OS.
www.verio.com/support/files/glossary.cfm"

seems like some people who know what they talking about agree with me to say that Windows 95 is an OS...

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oh my god.. look no one is bashing OSX, people are here to figure out how to install OSX on their PCs because THEY WANT IT. Gnome, KDE, whatever are GUIs for linux and unix systems, just like OSX is a gui for Darwin. OSX DEPENDS on Darwin. When you setup a driver in OSX, its passing that information to darwin. Its true that a lot of drivers require that OSX be installed instead of just darwin, but that's only because they have to interact with OSX for some reason, not because its the OS. The fact that Darwin is distributed stand-alone means that you would have to give OSX itself another definition than an OS. Is the interface of XP the operating system, of course not, but since microsoft only releases the GUI and kernel together, you can name it the same thing. Just because OSX can access parts of Darwin that aren't assesable via the command line doesn't make it an OS.

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No I wouldn't buy one. To be honest OSX Blows lol my Media Centre leaves it for dead I wish I knew what all the fuss was about the only thing that I have seen that is worth mentioning is it boots very quickly. Now let's try playing CS oh you can't, um ok then let's play.... oh you can't, ok lets oh you can do that either lol

Oh well at least apple has a nice screen saver ROTFL......

OSX Blows

This is not the focus of Apple. Apple is designed, run and does R&D around a core concept that really escapes about 90% of the population, in *every* market and product segment (this phenomenon is not limited to "computers") and it its this:



Lol how arrogant is that statement yep that's an apple user for you lol apple users are snobs and arrogant with it lol...... Shame you can't buy an decent software for an apple lol

Apple developed both Darwin and OSX, but the fact is that OSX is the gui part of Darwin. It is impossible to run OSX without Darwin installed first. Just like Win95 was a gui for DOS.

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Windows 95 wasn't a gui for dos once you ran Win95 is was a 32bit OS in it's own right that surplanted dos. It was far in advance of what DOS offered and once launched it took over. It was just possible to launch from a command shell (which wasn't proper DOS either)!!!!

No I wouldn't buy one. To be honest OSX Blows lol my Media Centre leaves it for dead I wish I knew what all the fuss was about the only thing that I have seem that is worth mentioning is it boots very quickly. Now let's try playing CS oh you can't, um ok then let's play.... oh you can't ok lets oh you can do that either lol

Oh well at least apple has a nice screen saver ROTFL......

OSX Blows

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he he sorry I couldn't resist I work with a large contingent of apple users who rave and rave and rave about them but OSX and apple don't make a PC that does anything I need a PC for..... The general public don't want to just run photoshop or iDVD they need more from a PC and OSX and apple just don't supply it....

lol one of the apple "nuts" where I work brought i a key note speach by steve jobs from some conference or expo or other and his big thing was new wipes and fades in iphoto I was crying with laughter if you turned up to a PC expo and your new hot thing was a transition in and app/screensaver they'd laugh you out of the building but all the people watching were cheering a whooping lol like jobs had a stages full of playboy bunnies behind him lol IT WAS JUST A SELECTION OF TRANSITIONS lol they didnt have anything better to show i was really LMAO...... It reminded me of the last dying days of atari to be honest....

Oh well for only 2% of the desktops in the world apple users sure do like to tell everyone how ace their stuff is pity it can't do a 10th of what my media centre can........

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Hey OSX Blows:
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Have done :lol:

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ight, I got you some definitions of what an OS is from Google Define :

"The software that runs a computer, including scheduling tasks, managing storage, and handling communication with peripherals. Examples include DOS, Windows 95 and UNIX.
www.fkcc.edu/links/library/lis2004/glossary.htm"

"This is the software that manages a computer system. Windows 95 is an OS.
www.verio.com/support/files/glossary.cfm"

seems like some people who know what they talking about agree with me to say that Windows 95 is an OS...

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I was wondering how long it would take someone to definitively prove that zord bullsh*tter wrong. Thanks.

Hey, OS X blows: welcome to the Ignorance club, population: You and Steve Balmer

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Oh well for only 2% of the desktops in the world apple users sure do like to tell everyone how ace their stuff is pity it can't do a 10th of what my media centre can........

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Seems like we're experiencing a healthy growth rate of the dumb{censored} demographic, lately.

At least OS X ships with a spell checker, and most of us know how to use it.

Media Center PC? Cute concept.

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We're getting dangerously close to flamefest. Debate arguments here - not the intelligence of the people who make them. :-)

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Windows 95 wasn't a gui for dos once you ran Win95 is was a 32bit OS in it's own right that surplanted dos. It was far in advance of what DOS offered and once launched it took over. It was just possible to launch from a command shell (which wasn't proper DOS either)!!!!

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just because win95 added 32 bit support to dos, it doesn't make it an OS. DOS4GW also adds 32 bit support for dos but without a GUI. win95 runs on top of DOS; because you can run more programs once win95 loaded doesn't make it an OS either. An OS must be able to run indepently, win95 cannot run without DOS, and OSX cannot run without Darwin.

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Seems like we're experiencing a healthy growth rate of the dumb{censored} demographic, lately.

At least OS X ships with a spell checker, and most of us know how to use it.

Media Center PC? Cute concept.

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I'm English, you know the country where the language comes from???? And in the QUEENS ENGLISH centre is the correct spelling..... It's only in America is it spelled center!!!!! your pronunciation leaves a lot to be desired too....

And if your best comeback for Windows MCE is to knock my spelling lol then what does that say about OSX lol my MCE box is awesome not only can I watch pause and record live tv just like tivo I can control it remotely form any internet connected PC in the world but can play all the latest games on it and use it for any business purpose you can think of it has 100 times (at least) the software and applications available for it than any mac, it's more powerful and is easier to use lol

Intel processoers lol welcome to our wolrd :D

just because win95 added 32 bit support to dos, it doesn't make it an OS. DOS4GW also adds 32 bit support for dos but without a GUI. win95 runs on top of DOS; because you can run more programs once win95 loaded doesn't make it an OS either. An OS must be able to run indepently, win95 cannot run without DOS, and OSX cannot run without Darwin.

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The command shell that runs Windows 95 isnt DOS it just looks like it :)

DOS was a collection of tens of applications and not just the command shell the Windows 95 command shell is not DOS and couldn't do a 10th of what DOS could. Don't think that because it looked similar to DOS that it was. DOS was made of two or three core files IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS & command.com and a lot of small apps built around this core. Windows 95 didn't need any of these three files and was totally it's own os NOT RUNNIG on dos. There were bastardised versions of these files included but they were provided to run a limited emulation of DOS and they weren't required to run Win95 they were just there for backwards compatibilty.

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Hey OSX Blows:
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(quoting myself to tell you it again.) I just combined your two posts.

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Hey OS X blows;

When you're done being full of yourself and your crappy OS and your "lol"s, let us know, ok?

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Enough bitching...or ALL of you will get banned. (Shuddertrix, no, not you!)

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Heh, sorry, people like that just annoy me.





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