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Company A has always taken responsibility for contracting it out to company B in the first place and that it is a problem for Company A and not just Company B.

This is standard big business. There are MANY other factors involved other than the simplicity that you're talking about. A recent good example is Mattel, and how they subcontracted to China even though it is widely known that they (china) is adding lead to the toys. Company A (mattel) did not take responsibility did they? Weird :censored2:

This is standard big business. There are MANY other factors involved other than the simplicity that you're talking about. A recent good example is Mattel, and how they subcontracted to China even though it is widely known that they (china) is adding lead to the toys. Company A (mattel) did not take responsibility did they? Weird :censored2:

Actually they did. See here and this quote from the article from Mattel's Vice President:

"There's no process that's perfect, and if we find another incident, our responsibility to our consumers is to make sure that we communicate with them quickly and clearly that there's some sort of issue."

They did not say it was someone else's fault here. So you're wrong, Mattel did take responsibility.

They did not say it was someone else's fault here.

Oh really? Then how did it conveniently leak out that it was chinas fault? :censored2:

Taking responsibility means that Mattel would have said "The buck stops here. They are our toys, manufactured by us. We made them incorrectly". But they didn't say that did they? They made it very public that it was china who was at fault. Mattel did NOT jump on the samurai sword for china, just like Apple didn't take responsibility for the virus that Apple didn't make

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Oh really? Then how did it conveniently leak out that it was chinas fault?

 

Taking responsibility means that Mattel would have said "The buck stops here. They are our toys, manufactured by us. We made them incorrectly". But they didn't say that did they? They made it very public that it was china who was at fault. Mattel did NOT jump on the samurai sword for china, just like Apple didn't take responsibility for the virus that Apple didn't make

 

Your turn

Shoulda coulda woulda. The statement I told you is what they told the press. They had to say what the source was, just like Apple did. But they didn't play the blame game like Apple did. Here is what Apple told the press:

We recently discovered that a small number - less than 1% - of the Video iPods available for purchase after September 12, 2006, left our contract manufacturer carrying the Windows RavMonE.exe virus. This known virus affects only Windows computers, and up to date anti-virus software which is included with most Windows computers should detect and remove it. So far we have seen less than 25 reports concerning this problem. The iPod nano, iPod shuffle and Mac OS X are not affected, and all Video iPods now shipping are virus free. As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves for not catching it.

And look at the bold part. They could have just included the last part of it, but they had to blame Windows for it. There's my problem with it. Let's go with a more comparative source. When Creative shipped a batch of mp3 players with a virus in Japan, here is what they had to say. It is translated from Japaneses to English:

Creative is reporting that the virus affects players with serial numbers between 1230528000001 and 1230533001680 that have shipped in Japan in late July. According to a translation of Creative's statement (in Japanese) on the security flap the firm has temporarily stopped shipping Zen Neeons players while its partners assist in the recall of the infected batch. The firm said it has identified the source of the outbreak and fixed the problem. Creative said the virus contamination issue was confined to Zen Neeons players and didn't affect any of its other products.

Shoulda coulda woulda.

...but didn't

The statement I told you is what they told the press.

Yes, they have been 'saying' a lot of things, and now Congress and other agencies are investigating them.

They had to say what the source was

No they didn't. Not if they wanted to be 100% responsible for it, plus 'the source' was not necessarily china as some who are looking into the matter deeper are starting to find out. It appears that mattel is using china as an excuse when these toys were designed to be this way. This is starting to surface now and I'll post more about it as their investigation reveals more.

they didn't play the blame game like Apple did.

That is just your opinion, and certainly not a fact.

As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves for not catching it.

There is NO blame here. Time to get your invisible dictionary out again The word 'Upset' simply means unhappy or disappointed. Apple did NOT say "if it weren't for microsoft this wouldn't have happened" or even "if it weren't for windows this wouldn't have happened" - they simply said they were disapointed that the windows operating system works that way, and guess what... So are millions of other people They were merely pointing out one of windows WELL KNOWN flaws (about viruses) and that is not placing blame. It is what it is, pointing out one of windows well known flaws that they (windows) is prone to getting viruses. You could say that Apple was 'ribbing' MS, but they certainly weren't using them as an escape goat

Very well said. Their's just a few points that IMO I have a differing opinion on.

So you're saying there are a few points and then you go on a rant against EVERYTHING I said. How weird.

Very often Apple Fan Boys do come to Apple's rescue when something makes Apple look bad and is clearly Apple's fault. That is my grudge with them. I've always thought that if a company does something wrong and is clearly wrong, that you should call the company on it and get them to fix it. Not defend them while hoping the company will fix it.

Then have the same grudge with MS fanboys when they start screaming first. Where is the hatred for them?

The only thing I will say about bugs being found in a Microsoft product is that when it happens, and I know ur kidding about it happening every 5 minutes, is that I always see an Apple Fan Boy saying things like another bug for M$ and when it comes to Apple fixing a security bug in their OS the Apple Fan Boys go all quiet about it so as to draw as little attention as possible. It makes them look like a hypocrite.

Yes, because it's just so common place anymore to find a Windows virus or a new Windows vulnerablility. Meanwhile (and this is the truth) we Mac users continue to surf the web without any virus protection. Also, it seems everyone goes after QuickTime, which is cross platform and they don't go deep into the bowels of the OS (see the Month of "Apple" Bugs for an example). Plus OS X and Linux are hardier OS-es than Windows, so it will naturally have fewer security issues. Am I worried about security? Yeah, but not as much as if I were using Winders.

My only problem with Apple charging for the 802.11n driver was that every wifi device maker doesn't charge for drivers, so what makes Apple so special that they are exempt from this? But mainly that they included the drivers for free IF you bought their airport extreme. If you went with a lower priced competitors, you had to pay Apple the 802.11n wifi tax. They should have just charged everyone who wanted it regardless.

Apple gives you a virus creation tool, er, programming tool in XCode. If people didn't like the "n tax," then some software developer should have made a free alternative. One never did come out, now did it? It seems people like to complain and nobody likes to do anything to solve the problem. If you don't like MS Office and hate using it and blah blah blah, then use OpenOffice. Plenty of video editors too if you hate Final Cut. The lack of a free alternative either means it was a non-issue or that programmers were too stupid and/or lazy to come out with something and gain some degree of fame.

You're right in that it was the fault of the company that let the virus slip out on some of the shipped ipods, but when company A contracts out to Company B to build company A's product and company B screws up, Company A has always taken responsibility for contracting it out to company B in the first place and that it is a problem for Company A and not just Company B. Apple did not do this and I was expecting them to since they seem to like to get good press. Blaming Microsoft like they did got them bad press.

Well, considering Apple said nothing wrong in their statement (Windows security does suck)...

Seriously, what do you want Apple to do about it? They said there was a problem. They admitted the problem. They said it was the assemblers that infected them. They said it will only infect Windows. What else do you want them to say? Everyone gets $50,000 dollars if they have an infected iPod??? They told the truth, including the fact the Windows is not secure. I think you're more irked with how the message was said rather than the information presented.

I at first was irked a bit about the iPhone pricing being dropped but then realized every company does this. So I'm fine with it. In fact I ordered an iPhone because of it and it should be here within the next week or 2. It's gonna be fun hacking it to do exactly what I want it to do all while maintaining Apple's elegant gui for it.

Well, at least it's a positive rant, so I can't say you're an MS zombie anymore.

My only problem with Apple charging for the 802.11n driver was that every wifi device maker doesn't charge for drivers, so what makes Apple so special that they are exempt from this? But mainly that they included the drivers for free IF you bought their airport extreme. If you went with a lower priced competitors, you had to pay Apple the 802.11n wifi tax. They should have just charged everyone who wanted it regardless.

Apple don't charge you for drivers that make the product perform as originally advertised you get free upgrades to the Airport drivers that include bugfixes and tweaks with OS upgrades, just like any other Wi-Fi kit manufacturer. It's a very different situation because nobody else has ever sold an 802.11g card that could be 'software upgraded' to an 802.11n card. Regardless of the fact that the hardware was there all along, nobody was sold an Apple computer before the current Airport base station came out on the basis that it had, or ever would have 802.11n support, and since the base stations came out, the computers have been enabled out of the box and specced as having 802.11n. Apple are charging for extra, new functionality, just like they charge for major OS upgrades. You don't complain about that, so why this?

So why defend Apple when they were clearly playing the blame game instead of taking responsibility for it?

"As you might imagine, we are upset at Windows for not being more hardy against such viruses, and even more upset with ourselves, for not catching it," Apple told video iPod customers on its Website. The company assured customers all video iPods are now shipping free of the virus.

That sounds like they take responsibility to me.