Redliner Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Couldn't figure out where to post this!!! I have been asked to give an impromptu class (1.5 hours) to a group of computer technology students...I want to see if anyone's done something like this...and also where'd you recommend starting? I plan to show them all about EFI, boot loaders/ multi-boot methods, file systems, history of Mac on PC...basic hardware requirements...hardware to stay away from...discuss the legality of a Vanilla+ EFI_V8 system (need help on that)...then discuss virtualization technology...etc: EIST/VT/XD...and so on...then I plan on showing them some benchmark comparisons...and then I want to leave them with the answer to the question they all will want to ask...Why doesn't apple allow this or market it?!! -because (as has been said online) Apple like to keep things tight...to know absolutely everything that's going on...and to keep it simple and reliable...people pay the extra money because they know it's not going to let them down. Please, any help I am begging you guys!!! if you have a guide that YOU did and are will ing to share please PM me...also to anyone that may have done this: I really, really could use a Keynote Presentation!!! -Jordan Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
marliwahoo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 The newbees tutorial would be a great place to start. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=89659 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-655583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redliner Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 that will help, bt I need something a bit more "tech" oriented...more general details...thanks for the quick reply! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-655632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Software Updater Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 This dosent seem right, I have never heard of somebody wanting an x86 mac class. I will work on a keynote presentation, I don't know if it will be done by friday or not... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-655789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redliner Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 it's for a small class (under 15 students)...these are high school tech-center students(actually very bright)...Anyway, if you'd do a Keynote presentation that'd be awesome! i've been in on the OS X86 project for 5 weeks and I've spent over 250 hours in the last 4 weeks alone doing research and learning the Mac OS in Depth...I can give them an over view on Friday and then bring in your presentation once it's done...I appreciate it, since I don't know all the finer points of certain things like dual-booting...and also I'd prefer someone with more than 5 weeks knowledge give the supporting info! Again, thank you! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-656034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
(MoC) Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Start with explaining the start of OSx86 and then go to the TPM and go on from there to more complicated things... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-656092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroke Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 MasterOfComputers: the TPM doesn't do anything. I would actually suggest reading the wikipedia article on OSx86, may provide some summarized background information. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-658398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
(MoC) Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 @ stroke: I'm sorry, I should have went into more detail. Explain how the TPM doesn't allow OSX on anything else than Apple hardware and how hackers patched the kernel etc. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-658507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollcage Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 @ stroke: I'm sorry, I should have went into more detail. Explain how the TPM doesn't allow OSX on anything else than Apple hardware and how hackers patched the kernel etc. stroke had the right idea. Apple doesn't use the TPM to block OSX from non-Apple hardware. In fact, I think most (if not all) of the Macs currently shipping don't even have a TPM chip. OSX doesn't even have a driver for the TPM, and Apple doesn't make one available one either. However, there are open-source drivers available for the people that want to make use of the chips. It's a common misconception that Apple is using the chips for the power of evil... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-658520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heatpeep Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 btw how did it go? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-658550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Yeah, Apple used to have a driver for it. Something like AppleTPMACPIPlatform.kext...It was there in very early Intel editions of OS X but in new versions its GONE, possibly meaning, like rollcage said, that new macs don't have TPM. New macs today may still have TPM, but they certainly aren't making any use of it Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-658643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redliner Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Oh sorry to not keep ya'll up to date...been testing Leo4all...well I ended up having to wait until this week...so it's still yet to happen and any help would still be appreciated. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-661067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabron Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Start with explaining the start of OSx86 and then go to the TPM and go on from there to more complicated things... agreed you could make a small explanation of the beginning about how this become possible in july 2005 with the 10.3.9b and his 10 first intel apps. lol, dark ages you can get some good resumed info on osx86 wiki. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-662092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redliner Posted April 12, 2008 Author Share Posted April 12, 2008 I did finally get the chance to speak to them. Currently 2 students are working together on a system now and are in contact with me. out of the 15 people (I was surprised!) that take the class 10 people raised their hand to say that they felt that MAcintosh would suite them better than Windows...5 said they'd like to build one. 2 said they're getting a real mac. 1 already owned a real mac and was extremely amazed at the speed of my machine (I ran 20 movies in quicktime simultaneously...then minimized them all to work in garage band...minimized that...then worked in Imovie HD6 with some footage I had...so yeah they were impressed...which was half the battle. I did go over the how and why and legality and so on...the teacher presiding agreed with me that it could be considered and educational system. all in all It couldn't have gone better! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-706441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bond Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 That's quite interesting, actually, and commendable that you were able to explain and accomplish as much as you did. Getting over the notion that OS X *can* be run on a PC is half the battle; the amount of puzzled looks I get from people when they see it on my laptop gets to be ever so frustrating after a while. There's only so many times I can reiterate that it's neither a skin, nor emulated. From what I recall, the TPM was only used in the original dev kits, from way back when. So you've all pretty much covered that already. Just curious, but did you get on the topic of customization/hardware tailoring, or even building your own DVD's? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91900-teaching-an-os-x86-class-this-friday/#findComment-710560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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