gwprod12 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Let me get this straight... People who's life is devoted to teaching the heathens the way of Jesus can't be bothered to help people in need. Shocking. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headrush69 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Isn't that insinuation jumping the shark a bit based on such limited information? http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/colorado....ting/index.html He asked for housing for the night, Warren said, which Johnson refused to give him. "She said, 'We really can't do that right now,' " Warren said. "And then he opened fire." Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86rev Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Let me get this straight... People who's life is devoted to teaching the heathens the way of Jesus can't be bothered to help people in need. Shocking. So killing 2 people justifies it. This was a school .....I think that would be a great idea, let all the "people in need" live in our public schools. (they have rights too) Thats where the "teaching the heathens" really takes place Pathetic Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_4e Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Heh, this is about 4 minutes away from my house There was another shooting over the summer within a mile of that school. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 The cornerstone of Christianity is helping people who need help. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Many shootings this week! Heh, this is about 4 minutes away from my house There was another shooting over the summer within a mile of that school. Messages: Show / Hide - RE: InsanelyMac? - kevin4e - 23 mins ago | Reply | Delete No, I'm another kevin_4e you b00n jk, yea I'm the same one. I just got invited. I have no idea how to get a good ratio here. This looks tougher than OiNK to me but we'll see. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86rev Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 The cornerstone of Christianity is helping people who need help. And where does that stone come from. Is that in the Bible or an excuse for Christains to be the door mat on demand to the heathens. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 I'm pretty sure it's from the bible... The four gospels, especially. "Little children, let us love, neither in word nor with the tongue, but in deed and truth" 1 John 3:18 "In case some one of your brothers becomes poor among you in one of your cities, in your land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not harden your heart or be closefisted toward your poor brother. For you should generously open your hand to him and by all means lend him on pledge as much as he needs, which he is in want of... You should by all means give to him, and your heart should not be stingy in your giving to him, because on this account Jehovah your God will bless you in every deed of yours and in every undertaking of yours. For someone poor will never cease to be in the midst of the land. That is why I am commanding you, saying, 'You should generously open up your hand to your afflicted and poor brother in your land." Deuteronomy 15:7 "My brothers, what use is it for a man to say he has faith when he does nothing to show it? Can that faith save him? Suppose a brother or a sister is in rags with not enough food for the day, and one of you says, 'Good luck to you, keep yourselves warm, and have plenty to eat', but does nothing to supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So with faith; if it does not lead to action, it is in itself a lifeless thing." James 2:14 "One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed. " Proverbs 11:24 "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?" 1 John 3:17 "Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it." Hebrews 13:2 So... especially considering the quote directly above... The peoples of Sodom, who treated guests with no hospitality came to ruin. This is in the bible, so clearly factual (according to Christians). Can it not also be said that the 4 people who threw up their arms to deny this man shelter came to ruin? Christians should read the bible. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-533731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86rev Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 So... especially considering the quote directly above... The peoples of Sodom, who treated guests with no hospitality came to ruin. This is in the bible, so clearly factual (according to Christians). Can it not also be said that the 4 people who threw up their arms to deny this man shelter came to ruin? Christians should read the bible. I have always found it interesting how people "cut and paste " scripture to justify what they think "truth" is, especially biblicail truth. And how scripture is taken sooo out of context. We should have read the whole thing then you would have realized that the "Sodomites" are the "heathens" in this. They are not the Christians. And that Lot (christain) pleaded with them (Sodomites) not to have sex with his male guests. The Sodomites then came to ruin. Although a nice try And your other quotes that talk about helping your "brother" is refering to helping your "christain brother" Jesus said that it all comes down to this "Love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and love your nieghbor as yourself" Now it is obvious that these kids were wanting to get to that point in thier life, thats why they were at a Christain school. No one really knows the whole situation but one thing for sure the facility did not belong to them, they were just students living there, they weren't in charge to say who or who could not stay there. But any logical person who is not angry and bitter towards christain would agree that it did not deserve death. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 That's a very interesting Christian viewpoint. In fact, it's the usual Christian viewpoint I find. If someone is known to be a donating member of the church, help him. If someone may or may not be a Christian, smack them in the face and {censored} on them. You really need to reread the news article. The ones who took it apon themselves to deny this person help were staff, not students. Staff, cleaning up a Christmas party. A party. I'm not going to debate theology here. If you think that Jesus would want you to treat people like the scum of the earth, by all means, do. Just don't bemoan the consequences. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86rev Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 That's a very interesting Christian viewpoint. In fact, it's the usual Christian viewpoint I find. If someone is known to be a donating member of the church, help him. If someone may or may not be a Christian, smack them in the face and {censored} on them. You really need to reread the news article. The ones who took it apon themselves to deny this person help were staff, not students. Staff, cleaning up a Christmas party. A party. I'm not going to debate theology here. If you think that Jesus would want you to treat people like the scum of the earth, by all means, do. Just don't bemoan the consequences. Your are right, I did miss it was staff etc, so I guess you are also correct in your assumption he should have probably shot them all or at least not the students. consequences you know Why are you so angry at God ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernovafan Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 How do you conclude from the article that the guy was treated like "scum of the earth"? I think that to insinuate that this shooting was justifiable because of the religious beliefs of the victims is appalling. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I don't even understand what the big deal is. A shooting: they occur daily, hourly even. How is this any different? The staff at that missionary center had every right to deny the person residence for the night. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 10, 2007 Author Share Posted December 10, 2007 My point wasn't that shootings are a big deal. My point wasn't that the people who got shot deserved to die. My point was that maybe it isn't so unreasonable to think that folks who dedicate their life to the ideals of compassion should have some. Did they have the right to deny him? Absolutely. Should they have? I would have. But I'm not a Christian, and I don't spend every waking second preaching Christianity to anyone who can't escape. Someone asked these people for help, they wouldn't help him. That's the issue. Jesus would have, I have no doubt. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-534516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 My point wasn't that shootings are a big deal. My point wasn't that the people who got shot deserved to die. My point was that maybe it isn't so unreasonable to think that folks who dedicate their life to the ideals of compassion should have some. Did they have the right to deny him? Absolutely. Should they have? I would have. But I'm not a Christian, and I don't spend every waking second preaching Christianity to anyone who can't escape. Someone asked these people for help, they wouldn't help him. That's the issue. Jesus would have, I have no doubt. Maybe I'm coming in at a crazy tangent here... But do you not think stuff like this would happen less if there was more control over guns? I do I know some people say "guns don't kill people, people kill people". But if people have no guns, it's a little more tricky to kill someone. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 11, 2007 Author Share Posted December 11, 2007 Not to channel OryHara, but... There is gun control, and there is gun control. Some gun control is reasonable, some gun control isn't. For instance. Felons probably shouldn't be able to legally obtain firearms. Psychos shouldn't be able to either. People who own guns should be ultimately responsible for their usage. I think Great Britain has pretty serious gun control laws, but they still have a decent-sized murder rate. It all becomes murky. If guns were illegal, only criminals would have them. That's one of the NRA's adages, and it's kinda true. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86rev Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 AMEN....opps I mean absolutely or right on It seems that the last few shootings of this nature has been by guys with mental problems I live in Omaha NE and as you know we went throught the Westroad Mall shootings. I would agree to what you said gw about keeping guns away from psychos. This guy had been on medication for his disorder but told his foster Mom it made him feel funny so no one really was on him to take his meds. And from what I know this guy has been on the edge for awhile. He even showed all his buddies and his step Mom an SKS a couple nights before the shooting......what the What does seen a little odd to me was that Sunday (2 says before the shooting) in the World Hearld paper on the front page was a very detail and graphic story of Charles Starkweather. He was a guy that here in NE randomly shoot and killed 11 people. Now mind you this was 50 years ago. (Why we need to know about this as front page news still baffles me.) I dont know, not that there hasnt been killing sprees in the past, but it sure seems like theres alot more frequent the last couple of years.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 @gwprod12: OryHara's account was disabled. Not sure if it will be back. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimp Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 About the shootings: I feel very sorry for the families and friends of the victims, and I'm very curious to see what this man will get once he's caught. About the religious portion of this thread: Thank God I'm an Atheist. (the comment is supposed to contradict itself if you didn't know) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 OryHara gone? I shall attempt to fill his ideological niche as best I can, without resorting to namecalling. You have my solemn vow. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-535800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 @gwprod12: OryHara's account was disabled. Not sure if it will be back. Admin Abuse. For what reason was his account disabled? I request to have Oryhara's account re-enabled. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-536505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 The Federal Reserve got to the folks who run this board! OryHara's facts and truth have dug to the very core of their conspiracy to defraud the american people! No censorship!!!!!!!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-536555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 The Federal Reserve got to the folks who run this board! OryHara's facts and truth have dug to the very core of their conspiracy to defraud the american people! No censorship!!!!!!!!! You're doing well there, expect: 1. You forgot to tell us all we hate freedom. 2. You forgot to call us filth 3. You were a bit rational with what you said there - let yourself go a bit more That guy needed a break - for the benefit of his blood pressure and everyone's sanity here Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-536846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Have no fear, P.M. I think he is JonTheSavage. He appears to have made a remarkable recovery. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-536858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheSavage Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Its amazing that people still believe what comes off the TV is true. http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin419.htm Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/75544-church-shootings-today/#findComment-537824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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