Drexel Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Why are Mac Pros so expensive? How would this $2500 base model Mac Pro compare to the following Hacintosh setup in terms of overall estimated performance? Am I comparing apples and oranges here? It seems as if the Hacintosh should blow the Mac Pro out of the water while saving $1500 as well! Base model Mac Pro configuration: Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon “Woodcrest” processors 1GB memory (667MHz DDR2 fully-buffered DIMM ECC) NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics with 256MB memory 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s 7200-rpm hard drive TsubukiSama's Hac Pro configuration: Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Processor : Intel Quad Core 6600 RAM : 4 GB OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 pc6400 Graphic card : 7950GT 256mb Harddrive : 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA II Case : Antec Sonata III with a 500W PSU Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanthraX Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Try to compare a Mac Pro with a brand name similar configuration (e.g. Dell) and you will see the almost similar prices. Testing components and configurations are so high expensive. Don't ask me why, these are the procedures, I don't made its. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-478268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Plus it has Xeons not Standard Core2's Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-478378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
munky Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Main differences: - Xeons vs Core 2's - ECC (Error-checking) RAM vs standard RAM Go price up a mobo which can handle ECC RAM, a quad Xeon (or pair of dual Xeons) and some ECC RAM and you wont see such a huge difference in price. I mean, fair enough you're saying you can build a very powerful machine for a lot less, but its not a fair comparison in this case. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-478460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Bakura Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Wait until the Mac Pro are updated (with Penryn processors) and then buy the Mac Pro. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Why are Mac Pros so expensive? How would this $2500 base model Mac Pro compare to the following Hacintosh setup in terms of overall estimated performance? Am I comparing apples and oranges here? It seems as if the Hacintosh should blow the Mac Pro out of the water while saving $1500 as well!Base model Mac Pro configuration: Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon “Woodcrest” processors 1GB memory (667MHz DDR2 fully-buffered DIMM ECC) NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics with 256MB memory 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s 7200-rpm hard drive TsubukiSama's Hac Pro configuration: Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Processor : Intel Quad Core 6600 RAM : 4 GB OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 pc6400 Graphic card : 7950GT 256mb Harddrive : 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA II Case : Antec Sonata III with a 500W PSU The differences are what the others have pointed out, but for any practical purpose the Hac Pro should be better, including perhaps performance. That would be definitely true if you use a Quad Extreme or, better, wait for a Penryn and use even faster RAM. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~T.E.K.B.O.I.~ Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Wait until the Mac Pro are updated (with Penryn processors) and then buy the Mac Pro. Thats exactly what I'm doing. They need to hurry up though. I'm getting impatient. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacX Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I Can't wait till the Mac Pro get's updated. it's gonnea PWN =] Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yami Bakura Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I Can't wait till the Mac Pro get's updated. it's gonnea PWN =] Here's a rumor about the Penryn Mac Pro: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10...d_mac_pros.html Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaar Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Xeon is certainly an argument. However ECC RAM is not necessarily an advantage in 'real-life' desktop operation. It can even be slower than high quality regular RAM. I'm no tech expert but I know from various day time jobs in IT that ECC RAM is mostly used in servers and workstations where data reliability is of highest relevance and where raw performance is less of an issue. IT gurus told me that the odds of data corruption in the middle of a session due to whatever obscure external influences (cosmic rays for instance...) is basically negligible. Regular backups should do the trick. Companies just need to be virtually 100% on the safe side. If that's the case for single users... 4GB of Apple's RAM would lift the price by $700 in my neck of the woods. A 500GB HD by $380, a RAID card by $1170... plus I don't like Apple's 'official' choice of graphics cards. It's certainly all top quality but it adds up quickly and I know you can have it cheaper within only marginal performance disadvantages, if any. The really significant advantage of the Mac Pro for me would be warranty and hassle-free upgrades. I will most likely end up buying a Mac Pro one day but for now a Hack and a Macbook will do. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-479929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 my intel q6600 clocked on 3 ghz with a geforce 8800 gtx is faster then a mac pro Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-480067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miro30 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Why are Mac Pros so expensive? How would this $2500 base model Mac Pro compare to the following Hacintosh setup in terms of overall estimated performance? Am I comparing apples and oranges here? It seems as if the Hacintosh should blow the Mac Pro out of the water while saving $1500 as well! Base model Mac Pro configuration: Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon “Woodcrest” processors 1GB memory (667MHz DDR2 fully-buffered DIMM ECC) NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics with 256MB memory 250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s 7200-rpm hard drive TsubukiSama's Hac Pro configuration: Mainboard : Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Processor : Intel Quad Core 6600 RAM : 4 GB OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 pc6400 Graphic card : 7950GT 256mb Harddrive : 500GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 SATA II Case : Antec Sonata III with a 500W PSU Hi Drexel, I have the same exact Hac Pro and it runs great! Very fast! At work I have a Mac Pro, Quad Xeon 2.66, 2 gigs of ram, and it seems to run slower than my Hac Pro. I run Final Cut Pro on both machines and the Hac Pro is much quicker! I have a couple of questions for you: 1) When I shut down my Hac Pro, it would shutdown then restart itself, have you encountered this?? 2) What OSX86 version are you running?? I'm running Uphuck 10.4.9, but I think Rosetta wasn't installed. Is there a way to install it without re-installing all the software? Any help would be great! Miro30 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-480617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marliwahoo Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Don't forget that the hac-pro takes much more time to keep running. Updates and drivers are much better now - but any hacintosh still requires more time to keep the machine updated - up and running. It is NOT for everyone. ( Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-480668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 4GB of Apple's RAM would lift the price by $700 in my neck of the woods. A 500GB HD by $380, a RAID card by $1170... plus I don't like Apple's 'official' choice of graphics cards. Absolutely. And in any case those upgrade prices are way over the top. See for instance the cost of equivalent RAM at Crucial. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-481672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 4GB of Apple's RAM would lift the price by $700 in my neck of the woods. A 500GB HD by $380, a RAID card by $1170...plus I don't like Apple's 'official' choice of graphics cards. If you buy it from Apple, it's $700. Same with the harddrive, but not the raid card and poor choice of graphic cards for Macs. THEY NEED THE G80 SERIES!!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-481766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 yeah its mostly because you built it, but yes it would outperform a mac pro enjoy your mac pro + (plus) edition Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/67381-mac-pro-vs-hac-pro/#findComment-481772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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