alvin777 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hi, when will we have Nvidia 3D acceleration, Nforce4 and SATA compatibility for OS X x86 (with Rosetta). Any developments on this? Please post links. God bless, Alvin Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phineas J. Whoopie Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Hi, when will we have Nvidia 3D acceleration, Nforce4 and SATA compatibility for OS X x86 (with Rosetta). Any developments on this? Please post links. God bless, Alvin I seriously doubt Apple will worry about getting the OS to function perfectly on ALL chipsets and graphics cards. Why should they? They will only get it working well on their own hardware. SATA works just fine for me with the Intel 915/ICH6 combo. Graphics work well with GMA900 and some ATI. If you want it to work well, stop hoping Apple will fix it for your platform, and just put together a platform that looks more like an Apple... -Phineas Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-36867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjr1028 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Nvidia graphics drivers and SATA compatibility will debut when Apple releases its Intel machines. This may be as soon as next month. As for nForce4, that really depends if they are planning to release it on other computers. If they're not it would be sometime around half past never. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-36936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Don't ever expect chipset support for anything but Intel chipsets. Obviously there is the darwin project, though, and there is a good chance of being able to just run whatever exists in Darwin that people work on with their own free time. I'd sort of expect Apple to not include some things in the build included in the OS, though. Already, if you have an Intel-based system, pretty much everything works (at least it does for me). Video cards are another story, but I don't have my hopes up for good driver support for older cards. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-36937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wenle Z. Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 i am just waiting a DVD version that can be like windows, compatible for all hard ware, i mean, like sound and networks work at least, without doing extra kernel update. i am struggling with the .bin files, don't even know how to install them. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 i am pretty sure, support for those might be released. But if ur expecting a cool mac install dvd to install any x86 machine, thts gonna take some time. I belive Jobs will realize osx86's potential and sooner or later release it for all x86 machines. BTW I seriously wonder sometimes, is maxxuss a group of Apple Developers working under secret orders from Jobs. I cant belive any one person being such a genius or secretive NOTE: Maxxuss please donot find the above offensive...... If I made a mistake, forgive me your highness. Without you OSx86 will fail. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_meanie Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 He wants you to buy apple's hardware. Why would he make his OS use hardware he dosn't support or make money off of? Nvidia graphics drivers and SATA compatibility will debut when Apple releases its Intel machines. This may be as soon as next month. As for nForce4, that really depends if they are planning to release it on other computers. If they're not it would be sometime around half past never. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 i am just waiting a DVD version that can be like windows, compatible for all hard ware, i mean, like sound and networks work at least, without doing extra kernel update. i am struggling with the .bin files, don't even know how to install them. Sounds a nice idea but I'm not sure a DVD version that supports all hardware would be all that great. Windows doesn't quite get it right quite a lot of the time, misidentifying network cards for example, and it still misses quite a lot of newer hardware at install time. Plus you'd get a huge overhead of stuff you just don't ever need. Have you watched a Windows install loading support for hardware you will never, ever have? With OSx86 we're all at the leading edge of an unsupported technology and, yes, it's awfully complicated at times but that's a price we all have to pay to enjoy using it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Elliott Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 He wants you to buy apple's hardware. Why would he make his OS use hardware he dosn't support or make money off of? Doing it that way seems to have worked out quite well for Bill Gates. Might be a bit late in the day to try and out do MS now though. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metrogirl Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 He wants you to buy apple's hardware. Why would he make his OS use hardware he dosn't support or make money off of? Public releases probably will have support for some 'extra' hardware. The reason being that Apple may have to switch suppliers for some bits due to exigencies of supply or cost and they won't want to ship update media with install sets. Having integral pre-tested support for likely changes will make things easier for them. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phineas J. Whoopie Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Doing it that way seems to have worked out quite well for Bill Gates. Might be a bit late in the day to try and out do MS now though. Folks seem to think that Microsoft writes hardware drivers. They do for some things, but the reason that so much hardware is supported under windows is that the *hardware vendors* write windows drivers. There's no way that a company even as large a Microsoft could possibly write windows drivers for everything, so why the heck do folks here seem to think that Apple can do it? Listen people - Apple will only write drivers for hardware it intends to use in their own systems. If you want Nvidia support, bug Nvidia. If you want to use a Via chipset, bug Via to write OSX86 drivers. I can tell you right now that they won't unless OSX86 is released standalone, and only then if it has considerable market share. Stop your whining and snivelling and just pony up the money for compatible hardware. -Phineas Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrunner Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Doing it that way seems to have worked out quite well for Bill Gates. Might be a bit late in the day to try and out do MS now though.Misguided comparison. MS has never been in the PC box business and I doubt they ever will because that will just push Dell, HP and others to go to another OS. In any case MS may think that the future of the desktop is in the Xbox360 and subsequent consoles.Replying to When will the OS X x86 be perfected?The short answer to this is when you fork over your $ for the Apple Intel Mac, probably to be announced in Jan 9-13. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Here's the thing, really. With Windows, it has a rather solid set of default driver sets to fall back on if there's no specific driver. But with Mac OS X, it is currently equipped with tight driver sets that would work well only if you have Apple hardware, or close to it. So far the hacking community was able to patch up some major holes using Darwin's driver sets, so we have a patchwork of installable disk that 'sorta' works across over wider hardware. However, until Intel Macs hit in volume we won't be able to see any good drivers for USB-based stuff, and probably we'd need Intel Power Macs coming out before getting good set of drivers for expansion cards. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekoil Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 i seriously doubt nvidia r gonna pass on making drivers for the new platform, if they dont they will be in for a lot of complaints from customers, i spose the new platform will use pci-e (i have no idea if that is true, its just a hunch) people will be installing whatever {censored} they want in their new macs (and why wouldnt apple make nvidia drivers when imo (shared by loads of people) nvidia are the best cards on the market) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 (edited) Not that I doubt NVIDIA / ATI making drivers for the new platform, but the real question is 'when'. AFAIK the CURRENT ATI driver we see in 10.4.3 8f1111 is actually Apple's doings. This means Apple's soon-to-come Intel Macs, at least on certain types, are likely to have ATI graphics onboard (the Intel graphics being the norm, of course), and Apple's rushing to get the support in. NVIDIA / ATI would seriously get involved when Apple has solid timeline for PowerMacs, I'd expect. Until then it'd probably be Apple converting existing graphics drivers to x86 code. Edited December 20, 2005 by wesley Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekoil Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 are there nvidia cards for the ppc platform? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 are there nvidia cards for the ppc platform? Yes but these are MAC cards, not PC cards (not exactly the same) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacFeast Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Yes but these are MAC cards, not PC cards (not exactly the same) About that (slightly offtopic), is the only difference between them the endianness of the firmware? I remember reading that somewhere but couldn't confirm it. Anyway I think they can be re-flashed somehow... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesley Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 PC version uses BIOS. Mac version uses OpenFirmware. Since video card is a boot device the correct firmware needs to exist if it's going to run right off the bat. Other than that the card itself is basically the same, and this is why in some models a mere re-flashing of the firmware can turn a PC version into Mac version. Lack of working x86 NVIDIA driver simply means Apple isn't going to use one in the Intel Macs in the near future timeframe. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjr1028 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) Yes but these are MAC cards, not PC cards (not exactly the same) A small Nitpick here: MAC = Media Access Control. The address of your network device. Mac = Macintosh. PC version uses BIOS.Mac version uses OpenFirmware. Since video card is a boot device the correct firmware needs to exist if it's going to run right off the bat. Other than that the card itself is basically the same, and this is why in some models a mere re-flashing of the firmware can turn a PC version into Mac version. Lack of working x86 NVIDIA driver simply means Apple isn't going to use one in the Intel Macs in the near future timeframe. Lack of Nvidia Driver means the developers don't have them yet. What the developer machines get isn't the same as what will be shipping from Apple. Edited December 21, 2005 by bjr1028 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/5843-when-will-the-os-x-x86-be-perfected/#findComment-37921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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