Alessandro17 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 http://www.fsdaily.com/Adoption/Does_Micro...nowhere_to_run/ The more I think about Microsoft, the more I realise that they are, possibly for the first time, seriously cornered (or surrounded, depending on how you want to see it). A little history will clarify why I think so - and why I think that this might really be the beginning of the end for Microsoft. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rez. Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Yup, Just as soon as Merc9 gets his particulat Distro to recognize his Canon camera, Microsoft will have nowhere else to run ... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFI Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 IMO I personally think that Apple + Google duo is enough to overpower Microsoft, and Linux and the opensource distro community being the vanilla cream on the bullet. Just wait. This is the thing that Microsoft has been fearing all these times....and as Apple's + Google's relationship grows even greater....Microsoft will begin to *really* tremble. Right now...Microsoft just realizes that this is *actually* serious to a multi-billion dollar damaging limit...and they can't just buy out the companies that pose a threat like they have done in the past to cripple the force. I think thats the main reason that Microsoft is feeling like its getting cornered somewhat...its the fact that Microsoft cant buy Google nor Apple to continue their dominance, so this time, the roadblock approaching in the future is FOR REAL. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rez. Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 IMO that does not have much of a chance of happening. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 To many it may seem like Microsoft is facing absolute imminent Doom. But that is not true. Office 2007 is an amazing product, most people agree. I love it. It is infact an upgrade that actually increases my productivity, coz i spend less time browsing menus. The XBox 360 is actually successful. Windows Vista, Zune, MSN Live may have bombed. But Microsoft still has some really strong enterprise products, such as Exchange Server, MS Project, Project Server. On the desktop front, sure your grandma is happy using Ubuntu. Most power users who want to use their computers as much as possible with as less hassle, will use Windows. Those users also spend a considerable time gaming on the PC. I for some reason prefer PC gaming. Even though I have a PS2 and a PSP. All they ever did was gathered dust, except the PSP which is quite useful in the toilet, when there is nothing else handy. But still you get the point right. I cannot imagine gaming without the PC. Which means I will be using Windows. Most non gamers power users do switch to Macs, and are very content with them tooo, but gamers even if they switch they will still use Windows on their shiney Macs. So Microsoft has nothing to worry. Sure they might not have a 90% Market share any more and Bill probably wont be able to build any more mansions of the future. But they will survive. Their market share will probably never go below 40-50%. No matter how good Mac Gaming becomes, I donot see Steve Jobs releasing OS X for PCs. I also donot see Macs ever reaching the versitality of the PC. No matter how may price comparisons prove Macs are cheaper than PC's, I will never believe them coz I DONT pay for software. Mostly I pirate it, why, coz I cannot afford it, simple. Also I can take my ageing PC, slap in a Core2Duo E4300, a 965, some RAM and a 8600 GT, it will cost me only 400$. A mac will cost me a 1000$ above and I wont get more than 200$ for my PC. Given a choice I will still buy a Mac, coz I love OSX way too much, and appreciate Apple quality. But not the average Joe. Thus Microsoft will always be there. Not as powerful, but it will be there. :WHEW: That was long. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 Most non gamers power users do switch to Macs, and are very content with them tooo, but gamers even if they switch they will still use Windows on their shiney Macs. Exactly. I am not much of a gamer, but I like chess. The best chess games (the Fritz series and Chessmaster 10) are for Windows only. Fritz will happily run under Parallels, but Chessmaster won't even start. Personally I find Linux also pretty satisfactory, but with some caveats: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...mp;#entry399575 No matter how good Mac Gaming becomes, I donot see Steve Jobs releasing OS X for PCs. I also donot see Macs ever reaching the versitality of the PC. In my opinion S.J. is being pretty stupid right now. There hadn't been a better chance to gain market share from Microsoft for several years. What does he do? He focuses on a silly phone, postpones Leopard to October and he doesn't listen to the hardware wishes of his (potential) users. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFI Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Just thought I would make this clear from my original post: Roadblock does not equal Doom. Windows will always be there...but their market dominance will be lost in the long future (if the current trend continues into the future at all). Even though Microsoft has numerous products to support...Windows is still at the heart of Microsoft, regardless of the XBOX, Surface, Zune, etc. If Windows market share goes down...this will still be a multibillion dollar loss of the giant...from no matter what angle you look at it. 90% of the people do not use XBOX to cover up for the losses, 90% of the people do not use Zunes (lol) to cover up for the losses, and not even 40% of the people in the world who use a comptuer do not (and probably will not at $10,000) use a Surface computing table to cover up for the losses. Its still windows that could do the most damage to Microsoft. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ramm Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I don't think Microsoft will ever completely go down the drain... until computers become obsolete Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-400975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envying Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Microsoft is still a monster to everyone of his competitors, it's gonna take a while for them to learn. If they really learn their lessons, things could change to unknown situation. WTF, who cares. Let them play, we benefit from their competition. :pirate2: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-401035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Let them play, we benefit from their competition. Yep. Im glad Apple is doing so good, Microsoft has to start releasing better and better products. To many it may seem like Microsoft is facing absolute imminent Doom. But that is not true. Office 2007 is an amazing product, most people agree. I love it. It is infact an upgrade that actually increases my productivity, coz i spend less time browsing menus. Same! I bought Office 2007 Professional and it is the best Office yet. No productivity suite can match it. (Except maybe, Creative Suite 3 but thats a whole different ballgame ) The XBox 360 is actually successful Best console there is. Most power users who want to use their computers as much as possible with as less hassle, will use Windows. Those users also spend a considerable time gaming on the PC. I for some reason prefer PC gaming. I use my PC for gaming all the time. PC gaming is great because sooner or later you have to upgrade, and tbh its fun. I love getting on Ventrilo and talking about hardware to people. Plus I know Windows. I just know it, I can diagnose 100% of the problems I will encounter. I can change things to my liking, and its all very familiar. (BTW Thats one reason I love KDE, even your first time just feels so familiar.) Sure they might not have a 90% Market share any more and Bill probably wont be able to build any more mansions of the future. But they will survive. Their market share will probably never go below 40-50%. Thats pretty much it. Microsoft really needs to act, and act fast if they stay number one. Windows Vista was their first step into a larger world, a world where people wont use Windows by default. Maybe they will use OS X or Linux because its better. I dont think MS Corp is stupid, they will start releasing better and better Windows. Then Apple will release better and better OS X. This competition is beneificial to everyone. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-402946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbklyny Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 If Apple sold OSX for PC's - Microsoft would be in trouble. Until than, MS has nothing to worry about. By releasing OSX for the PC market it would actually make Apple look stupid. The whole idea behind OSX is... "It just works". And "It just works" because it's only sold and made for THEIR hardware. By releasing OSx for PC's... all of a sudden people would have to look for drivers and "It wouldn't just work". People would have the same problems that Windows users have. If that happens, no more commercials... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-403120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 If Apple sold OSX for PC's - Microsoft would be in trouble.Until than, MS has nothing to worry about. By releasing OSX for the PC market it would actually make Apple look stupid. The whole idea behind OSX is... "It just works". And "It just works" because it's only sold and made for THEIR hardware. By releasing OSx for PC's... all of a sudden people would have to look for drivers and "It wouldn't just work". People would have the same problems that Windows users have. If that happens, no more commercials... Exactly, If Mac Clones still existed things would be different. The clones would try to use as cheap hardware as possible and make crappy drivers, thus resulting in poor performance and crazy across the board issues. Windows needs something like YaST. i.e. all drivers are regulated through Microsoft and its updated automatically. (nVidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, Creative, Logitech etc would release them to MS) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-403140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 ROFL microsoft isnt running to anywhere but the bank........... as in they have so much money they dont care.... and they have huge marektshare..... damn conspiracy theorists..... theyre not going away people.... unless the computer goes away, oh wait, then theyll just switch..... and we all know thatll happen anytime sooon.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-403156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenta Posted July 13, 2007 Share Posted July 13, 2007 If I remember right, Microsoft owns a good part of Apple. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-407555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoggyca Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 yes they do but the US laws perfent them fomr owning enouhg share to own the compinie... they got al lthe share they need though...so if Apples share go higher MS will get even more money ....in torube u cash your sahres out and your richer then u think Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-409423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFI Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 If I remember right, Microsoft owns a good part of Apple. yes they do but the US laws perfent them fomr owning enouhg share to own the compinie... they got al lthe share they need though...so if Apples share go higher MS will get even more money ....in torube u cash your sahres out and your richer then u think Microsoft no longer holds shares of Apple stock. Back in 97', Microsoft was given (as part of the partnership deal) US $150 million in stock options. This was only effective for a few years which Microsoft had control over the proprietary IE control that it had on OS 9. Afterwards, Microsoft sold all of the shares for a nice profit, and by this time, Apple was back on track (with OS X), and was recovering nicely thanks to Steve Jobs. Today, Microsoft does not own even a penny of Apple stock. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-409440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviejo Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 No, they aren't going to disappear as much people like to happen, but they are starting to loose the stronghold like this:http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=298043&intsrc=hm_ts_head And here you see why:http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=297756&intsrc=article_pots_side Is their own greed the real problem to them. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/56055-does-microsoft-have-nowhere-to-run/#findComment-409472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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