I need something explained: How does Vista look like OSX ?

[henchman]

I don't care who previewed what, it was Apple that put the FINISHED features in an OS long before Vista. Just because Microsoft is thinking of/dabbling in a concept, means nothing.

 

Uum. This makes no sense at all. You can't say someone copied somethig if they came up with the concept and original idea.

Do you realise how silly you sound?

[track09]

Amen^^

[sandmanfvrga]

I say somebody copied the "final release product". Ideas can and are copied, it is a way of life. But Apple put out working features first and now Microsoft has them. That is copying to me. Whoever thought of them first, doesn't matter. Now I am not saying Apple never copies, because they do.

 

track09 I don't see why you hate Firefox on OS X. It is slow to start, being non cocoa, but still runs great. Camino, which I am running, is the best I have ran. Fast, accurate web page displaying, and it is solid.

 

I disagree with you Hagar, no offense. This is Insanelymac.com. Yes, unix/linux and windows information/users are here, but this site started on OSX on x86 and primarily the main discussion on this site, is about Macs. I don't mind all the other non mac people, those that respect others, cause it is always good for all type of geeks to get together.

 

BUT some like to shove linux/windwos/etc down everybodies throats here, not cool. This IS a Mac site, but everybody should be respectful.

Edited February 28, 2007 by sandmanfvrga

[Vertigo50]

Just to clarify a bit.

 

Apple copies Microsoft and many other companies all the time.

 

Microsoft copies Apple and many other companies all the time.

 

This is the way of the world, and usually leads to better products from both companies, in my opinion. I don't really care if one company copies another.

 

BUT, I think what bothers people most, is the fact that Apple keeps using the fact that Microsoft copies them as a marketing ploy, and denies the fact that they copy Microsoft. Steve Jobs did that long tirade on Vista and all the things that it copied from Apple, but he didn't mention that Apple copied some of that from Microsoft to begin with, and they'll be copying things from Vista in future versions of OSX, I guarantee it.

 

So in summary, no one really cares that much about the copying on either side, but I personally get annoyed when Apple tries to set themselves up as the "great innovators" and Microsoft as the unoriginal copycats. It's just not true.

 

Besides, if you really want to talk about innovation versus copying, why did Apple just switch to PC processors if they're so innovative?

[Forceman]

I guess most of you are friends with Microsoft now since 1997(since MS saved Apple arse supposedly) , the hackintosh people are bound to stick up for Microsoft.

 

OS X was years ahead of Windows 2000 and now they copy UI layout of OS X in Vista.

[robotskip]

You just can't stop, can you ?

[mifki]

lol, copy UI layout. x-D , its a user interface, how many goddammed variations can you have, you have a little pointy thing called a pointer, and you click on pictures. Im going to say that Apple and Windows all copied XEROX. Let me go make a thread about that now.

[Soliber]

If you want to talk about copying features, take a look at that thingamajig in Leopard that let's you switch between like 4 virtual desktops... Very XGL-like if you ask me

If you look at how many similar games are produced, you'll realise how bloody difficult it is to be innovative, and yet bring in the greens

Look at Okami, one of the most brilliant games ever, and Clover Studios already doesn't exist anymore

Copying is the way of the world

And seriously, all that stuff about being lightyears ahead of Windows: you have to make fair comparisons. The arguments about being safer and more stable have been said to death, but they're in favor of an OS that's still used by a very narrow margin when put next to Windows. People don't give a sh*t about trying to hack/crack OS X, there's hardly a "market" for it >_> I wonder what would happen if OS X suddenly got the all loving attention Windows gets, from every bloody script kiddy out there

And stability: usually, it's the drivers that get Windows on its knees. If OS X would open up to the entire market and Apple had to worry about supporting all the types of hardware out there, like MS does, one can easily imagine what would happen

Look at it this way: MS has got a lot more sh*t to deal with in terms of agressive attention, and they can still make something that seems to equal OS X overall

I think I'm going to go get a blanket and prepare for a flame ^^

Edited March 13, 2007 by Soliber

[Forceman]

lol, copy UI layout. x-D , its a user interface, how many goddammed variations can you have, you have a little pointy thing called a pointer, and you click on pictures. Im going to say that Apple and Windows all copied XEROX. Let me go make a thread about that now.

 

Well Vista background options are very similar to OS X, they even categories it like OS X desktop background. The best thing about it is OS X makes a better job yet again.

 

If you want to talk about copying features, take a look at that thingamajig in Leopard that let's you switch between like 4 virtual desktops... Very XGL-like if you ask me

If you look at how many similar games are produced, you'll realise how bloody difficult it is to be innovative, and yet bring in the greens

Look at Okami, one of the most brilliant games ever, and Clover Studios already doesn't exist anymore

Copying is the way of the world

And seriously, all that stuff about being lightyears ahead of Windows: you have to make fair comparisons. The arguments about being safer and more stable have been said to death, but they're in favor of an OS that's still used by a very narrow margin when put next to Windows. People don't give a sh*t about trying to hack/crack OS X, there's hardly a "market" for it >_> I wonder what would happen if OS X suddenly got the all loving attention Windows gets, from every bloody script kiddy out there

And stability: usually, it's the drivers that get Windows on its knees. If OS X would open up to the entire market and Apple had to worry about supporting all the types of hardware out there, like MS does, one can easily imagine what would happen

Look at it this way: MS has got a lot more sh*t to deal with in terms of agressive attention, and they can still make something that seems to equal OS X overall

I think I'm going to go get a blanket and prepare for a flame ^^

 

XGL, what you mean is compiz/Beryl has nothing like Spaces, yes virtual desktops have been around for agers but Apple took it one step more done using composite. The cube is not like Spaces since in Spaces you see all the desktops and drag apps between them, there's doing it and doing it good. Apple tend to show everyone how it's done proper.

[Soliber]

Of course the cube isn't like in Spaces If Apple even made some cube rotating animation, I bet there'd be some linuxers spanking their bottom as we speak

I don't know how far Beryl has come now, but with a half year old install, it's possibly to atleast flick your mouse to some corner and see everything going on on that particular desktop. And you can flick apps from one desktop to another through drag and drop, with a cube rotating motion.

So where does Spaces differ: overal thumbnail view, and drag and drop between thumbnails.

[sarcasm]If you listen really well, you can hear me jaw dropping the floor in awe. Such originality and inginuity must be a divine whisper![/sarcasm]

You want proper? Thís is proper: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Desktop_Cube

Apple is as much a copycat as Windows is They copy from eachother, and Linux copies from both the former and the latter Look at the startmenu in OpenSuse, almost totally the same as Vista's

Edited March 14, 2007 by Soliber

[Forceman]

Of course the cube isn't like in Spaces If Apple even made some cube rotating animation, I bet there'd be some linuxers spanking their bottom as we speak

I don't know how far Beryl has come now, but with a half year old install, it's possibly to atleast flick your mouse to some corner and see everything going on on that particular desktop. And you can flick apps from one desktop to another through drag and drop, with a cube rotating motion.

So where does Spaces differ: overal thumbnail view, and drag and drop between thumbnails.

[sarcasm]If you listen really well, you can hear me jaw dropping the floor in awe. Such originality and inginuity must be a divine whisper![/sarcasm]

You want proper? Thís is proper: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Desktop_Cube

Apple is as much a copycat as Windows is They copy from eachother, and Linux copies from both the former and the latter Look at the startmenu in OpenSuse, almost totally the same as Vista's

 

This is the problem, you think something that IS different is the same when it's not. By the way, a cube animation is in OS X during the setup login and user switching, it's not copying it's just another function which Vista and Beryl dont do.

[Soliber]

I'm not saying anything about being different, on the contrary; Spaces strikes me as quite similar to Beryl That's the wole subjet of our discussion here

Though the point is actually somewhat mute: like I said, everyone copies everyone. As the saying goes: better of copying something well, than inventing something half-assed (loosley translated from the Dutch version )

[Vertigo50]

And lets see how well Vista runs on a 1.2GHz machine.

 

It would be an interesting experiment, but I don't know where you would get one, since that was the state of the art about 6 years ago.

 

What? Macs are using them today? Hmm.... Well, they do the same thing with games, right? I guess it makes sense.