OryHara Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Saddam's death. What say you? For or against? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Already have a thread in reader news Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 In a "War on [islamic] Terrorism" the last thing you would want to do is go into Iraq, remove a secular government, give the Shia majority power and in the process create the world's biggest terrorist camp and provide the entire Muslim World with ample motive to attack the West. I think the US should have reinstalled him as President of Iraq, he did a lot better job of keeping the Islamicists down then it is. Seriously, this is just stupid. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Whats worse is that they are hanging him for sectarian violence, so that will cause more unrest. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 He be dead. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 That will teach him not to kill people (err... wait a minute). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
user2 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 That will teach him not to kill people (err... wait a minute). perfect I couldn't agree more Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marliwahoo Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) Do him. Edited December 30, 2006 by marliwahoo Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac and Cheese Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 When is someone in congress... or the Department of Justice going to step up and file charges against Bush for lying to the American people Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-rick Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Well, he kinda had it coming didn't he? But the way it has been played is pretty ugly... I'm willing to bet the order came from George W. in person and the Al Maliki (or something) guy could follow the orders or be next.. and so Saddam was hanged, at 6 in the morning... coincidentally prime time in the US... may he burn in hell.... Ah wait that reminds me of the Southpark movie... he's not gonna burn.. he's going to sodomize Satan. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 When is someone in congress... or the Department of Justice going to step up and file charges against Bush for lying to the American people Probably sometime after January 1st when the new congress takes seat. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Poor Saddam. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 For once, i couldnt agree more with you gwprod12, (assuming that wasnt sarcastic) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) It wasnt sarcastic. I dont particularly approve of the death penalty for anyone. But I especially dont approve the death penalty being carried out after a completely nonsensical show-trial. Maybe Saddam really was guilty of war crimes, but we'll never know now. This execution was nothing but murder. EDIT: I have the sincerest wish that when President Bush is out of office, that he will be taken up and sent to the Hague to face his own war-crimes trial. Then he'll get the fair trial he's denied to so many others. Including Saddam. Edited December 30, 2006 by gwprod12 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampTK Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) I'm against the capital punishment, period. That being said, he was a terrible and cruel dictator; responsible for terrible, more than documented, crimes. He should have been trialed on an international court for his crimes, that way there wouldn't be that many questions of the trial being unfair (of curse, he, his followers and some extremists would never recognize those tribunals anyway), and if it is so important for him to be trialed by an iraq court, he could, once the country stabilized since he wouldn't be dead. Edited December 30, 2006 by andazp Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Like seriously its just stupid, Try someone for crimes against humanity and then execute him, that in itself is in-humane, at least send him to prison for a lifetime but then who are we to say he did wrong anyway? They have no right, as far as im concerned, to barge into a country, takes its leader and execute him. Just like america did in Chile and many other south american countries. Take out the leader that doesnt like america, put in a american chosen one, then when the american chosen one becomes to much to handle, take the american chosen one out. Just plain stupidity. Everybody is going on about how he killed so many kurds, but he hasnt even been tried for that yet, he was hung for killing one hundred and something men. And the last witness was {censored} as far as im concerned. Now not trying to incite hate and anger or any of that {censored}, but america has got it coming and i wouldnt mind one bit if america got blown up Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I'd mind if America got blown up. I live there. LOL. Saddam Hussein was the head of state of Iraq. There were no laws against what it was that he did when he was doing it. The laws used against him at his trial were created after the end of his rule. Retroactive laws a constitutional democracy cannot have. Theoretically, Saddam could have been held for crimes against humanity, Iraq doesnt have the jurisdiction to try him. They just made up whatever excuse they wanted to hang him. They should have had the courage to do it without a trial. For shame King Bush! For shame. (For shame to your puppet government in Iraq too). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Like seriously its just stupid, Try someone for crimes against humanity and then execute him, that in itself is in-humane, at least send him to prison for a lifetime but then who are we to say he did wrong anyway? They have no right, as far as im concerned, to barge into a country, takes its leader and execute him. Just like america did in Chile and many other south american countries. Take out the leader that doesnt like america, put in a american chosen one, then when the american chosen one becomes to much to handle, take the american chosen one out. Just plain stupidity. Everybody is going on about how he killed so many kurds, but he hasnt even been tried for that yet, he was hung for killing one hundred and something men. And the last witness was {censored} as far as im concerned. Now not trying to incite hate and anger or any of that {censored}, but america has got it coming and i wouldnt mind one bit if america got blown up I agree with most of what you said except the part about America getting blown up. There are many Americans (about 50% I'd say, probably more) who are against this entire thing, the war, the executions, the "war on terror", everything. I really really want our current administration to be out of power, they have literally sent us backwards in time in terms of how we deal with the world, its sick... But just because we have a horrible leader right now, doesn't mean that all Americans are horrible...that kind of thinking leads to a slippery slope of bad decisions... I'm not preaching or anything, if anything, I agree with almost all of what you say, and I as an American citizen, I feel that our country does have it coming to us, that we should be humbled in order for us to think about what we're doing. Don't worry though, we already have it coming to us, I can see that we're definitely in decline...I mean when a natural disaster hits one of our major cities, we just pick up and move? Thats it? End of story? Also our federal government is technically broke right now, so when something actually happens to us, we wont be ready, and we wont recover (atleast of a long while), so yeah, we do have whats coming to us, somebody just has to poke...were more fragile that we might think. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 At least you live in the state of washington, one of the richest states in the union, and particularly independent of the rest of the nation. So, if the US falls apart, at least we'll survive =] Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I really do think that if the US falls apart it wouldnt be completely messed up because state governments would take over (thats the beauty of states). Some governments would crumble, and some would be ok, I'd like to think Washington would be ok . Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-264946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak08 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 (edited) Now honestly, if anybody believes that Bush is in real control of America as much shame on you as you put on him, he is nothing but a puppet himself, and he is not completly a bad leader, most people loved him after that fateful day 5 years ago. It is just after that that he became "America's Corruption" in the eyes of it's citizens and those of the world. But seeing as how this is a thread asking about saddam and how you feal about him, I will get more onto topic. Saddam was a terrible leader and possibly a terrible person. I cannot state the latter as a fact as I have not had the pleasure/displeasure to spend "quality" time with the man. I do however know that he has become what almost every recent leader has become with the amount of power that he had. I will not use dictator as a dictator can be a wonderful leader. But total power corrupts most men (and for the political correctness that will undoubtedly be expected, and women). With that in mind the killing or punishment in general is the same as to punish the very human flaw that the majority of people possess and seems a little overdone as not every person is on trial but to the people who obtain favor by suportive cercumstances. I might as well voice this as in my approval that Hitler was possibly the greatest leader that europe has ever had, with Neopolian, Agustus Caeser, and Alexander the Great. People often judge acts more than people and hold the people responcible for something that most people would of done in the same circomstance. With that I bid you good day. Edited January 1, 2007 by JAK08 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-265902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I still say that Saddam couldnt have been that bad if 80% of the population, who ostensibly hated him, didnt rise up and toss him out. Somehow the 10 million or so british colonists in north america stood up to the greatest power on earth at the time, and King George wasnt even anywhere near as oppressive as Saddam supposedly was. And, how can Saddam have been so powerful as to grind 30 million people under his boot, if the US military is being smacked around by a tiny minority of those people? We crushed the Iraqi military. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-265933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I still say that Saddam couldnt have been that bad if 80% of the population, who ostensibly hated him, didnt rise up and toss him out. Somehow the 10 million or so british colonists in north america stood up to the greatest power on earth at the time, and King George wasnt even anywhere near as oppressive as Saddam supposedly was. And, how can Saddam have been so powerful as to grind 30 million people under his boot, if the US military is being smacked around by a tiny minority of those people? We crushed the Iraqi military. blink.gif Well, there are some obviously huge differences between the American Revolution and a hypothetical Iraqi Revolution. The United States and Britain were widely separated by the Atlantic Ocean, so the United States had the upper hand in terms of communication and transportation of new troops. Secondly, our unique location far away from the central power of Britain allowed us to have a large advantage of knowing the lay of the land far better than our opponents. The major difference is obviously technology. Saddam had the power to use nerve gases and SCUD missiles to control his revolting populace. With a simple command, an entire rioting city could literally be wiped off of the map. Britain didn't have that power, and neither do we. Saddam didn't have the responsibility of only killing the insurgents, he could just kill anyone and everyone that was in his way. With the United States trying to protect the innocent civilians of Iraq, which they should rightfully do, they do not have the freedom of simple destroy all tactics. Plus, as a whole, the Iraqi people would have been underfunded, and would not have been capable of an all out assault on the Hussein regime. Even if guerilla tactics were used, it would have been highly doubtful that any insurgents against Hussein would have been able to actually overthrow him. The guy was a pretty horrible and violent character. Perhaps his violent past and legend contributed to his people's unwillingness to revole against him. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-265966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 One wonders where the notion of the evil dictator, with the power to vaporize anyone he sees fit, comes from. So, what you're saying is that if the people of Baghdad had decided to become unruly, Saddam could have sent in the storm troopers to kill them all? Even the chinese, during the Tiananman Square troubles, had to import soldiers from a distance to be sure that they would be able to kill the demonstrators. But Saddam, who's all-powerful, could easily get his men to launch chemical and biological weapons into a city populated by their families, friends and relatives. The best example of a dictator having standard people put to death is Stalin, and people always point to him to prove how possible it is. Except that Stalin killed and exiled millions over decades, did it in a theoretically legal manner, and kept the whole thing on the supreme down low. Until the end of the soviet union, most people in russia never knew what Stalin had had done. So, you can claim that Saddam was being brutal and torturing vast numbers of people, etc and so forth. But if Saddam took a page out of Stalin's handbook, his people didnt know, and thus could not be considered to be oppressed. I find it absolutely impossible to believe that the people of Iraq stood around while Saddam and his henchmen put their family members to death. And if they did in fact do that, how did such pathetic sheep with not an iota of self-preservation or dignity turn into terrorists and freedom fighters and insurgents in the span of 3 years?! This is how I see Saddam. A standard ruthless leader, who uses all of the standard machiavellian ruthless leader tips and tricks. Built a cult of personality around himself. Probably secretly did snatch up dissidents, and probably did use conventional and unconventional weapons against rebellious peoples, like the Kurds. Definitely started a war with Iran (at the US's behest, I should add), which cost the lives of over a million Iraqis. Saddam however, could not have remained president of Iraq for long if he and his thugs had indiscriminately shot and killed whosoever they wanted to, in a reign of terror. To believe otherwise is to buy into nonsensical propaganda. On a side note: I was watching Pat Buchanan the other day, and he said something which I've always thought about the Iraq issue. He said that Saddam Hussein would never have been a threat to the US, because Saddam's primary interests were Booze, Broads, and Palaces. And that a person who's primary interest is Booze, Broads, and Palaces doesnt endanger their lifestyle by getting into a war they cannot win. (North Korea is another example of that) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-265984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak08 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I completly agree that Saddam "missused" his power, but he was not stupid, he would not of created a situation that would cause his country to be obliterated. Hence he was trying to glorify it by restoring the gardens of babelon. He loved his country and was trying to make it the perfect country that he belived it was. In that vison though there was no room for rebelious people, so he did what he felt was "nessisary" to make his perfection true. Again is it completely wrong to do what you felt was right. If you say yes, then the US and every country that fought for its independence is wrong too. Right and Wrong is nothing but an interpretation of the viewer and cannot be taken as a constant. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37194-saddam-what-say-you/#findComment-266002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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