[pre-release] macOS Sonoma

[SavageAUS]

I hope this isn't off topic.

 

I currently have Sonoma and Ventura on the same nVME drive and now that we SoNoWithWiFi I would like to blow away my Ventura install and use Sonoma as a daily driver.

However I do not wish to do a fresh install but as you will see in my screenshot Ventura is first on the disk.

My EFI is also on this drive.

Can I just boot into Sonomo and delete the Ventura partition and move Sonomo to the front then expand the whole drive?

[SavageAUS]

Don't !!!!!!!!!!!!! - Much too early in Sonoma Beta releases to make such a move.
Personally I would keep using Ventura until the Official Release of Sonoma and just keep testing until then.

Ok so in preparation for the transition what if I threw an SSD in. Can I move the Ventura install to that drive then move and resize the Sonoma install? I can have an nVME drive and an SSD in this dell.


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[deeveedee]

@eSaF and @SavageAUS ,

 

On my HackBookPro6,2 (laptop), I run multiple macOS versions on a single drive (each in its own APFS volume and all APFS volumes in a single container). I have a single EFI that boots all macOS version (which, in my case, requires some MinKernel and MaxKernel limits on kexts).  My second SSD in the laptop is for Time Machine.

 

On my HackMini8,1 (mini Desktop), I have two NVMe SSDS, each with multiple APFS volumes (each volume with a different installations of macOS).  I find it easiest to have a single EFI on one of the drives and I boot all macOS installations with the single EFI.  I have a third drive for TimeMachine.

 

If I need to experiment with a new macOS installation, I simply create a new APFS volume in an existing APFS container and perform my clean macOS install to the new volume.  I delete the APFS volume when I finish the experiment.

 

I don't run Windows or Linux on my hacks, but when I did run Windows, I would have Windows on a separate drive.  EDIT: And when I did run Windows on my hack, I did not boot Windows with OC EFI - I booted Windows from the BIOS selection menu.

 

EDIT: If I need to experiment with a new EFI, I always install the new EFI on a USB thumb drive and test the new EFI by booting from the thumb drive.  I find that having multiple EFIs installed permanently can lead to confusion.  For me, having a single permanently installed EFI eliminates confusion and eliminates the possibility that I'm testing with the wrong EFI.

Edited August 5, 2023 by deeveedee

[CloverLeaf]

48 minutes ago, eSaF said:

Don't !!!!!!!!!!!!! - Much too early in Sonoma Beta releases to make such a move.

Personally I would keep using Ventura until the Official Release of Sonoma and just keep testing until then.

 

I did it  Sonoma is my daily driver since Beta 2. I am pretty happy with it. Everything I need is working. To be honest it's more responsive than Ventura and the screen looks more vibrant and crispier. My Intel Wifi/BT + location services is working and screen mirroring is also working (unlike Ventura). The only thing that is not working as for now is the SD Card Reader. I don't care much about it since I sold all my DSLRs. Couple of days ago I had a feeling that my CPU in Sonoma runs hotter but that was due to my testing of CrossOver. Temps are just fine. Battery life is actually better than Ventura at the moment and it's pretty close to the battery life in Windows 11 Pro.

I admit that Sonoma is the first Beta that works so damn well for me!

 

PS - As @deeveedee said ALWAYS put Windows on a separate drive. I did the mistake to run Mac and Windows on the same drive before and guess what happened when Windows decided to perform a major update... I have Windows only on my gaming PC and it's at least 5 feet away from any hackintosh in my house!

Edited August 5, 2023 by CloverLeaf

[naiclub]

1 hour ago, SavageAUS said:

I hope this isn't off topic.

 

I currently have Sonoma and Ventura on the same nVME drive and now that we SoNoWithWiFi I would like to blow away my Ventura install and use Sonoma as a daily driver.

However I do not wish to do a fresh install but as you will see in my screenshot Ventura is first on the disk.

My EFI is also on this drive.

Can I just boot into Sonomo and delete the Ventura partition and move Sonomo to the front then expand the whole drive?

I think delete the ventura partition. It's easier to go out. Once done, create a new partition for the other OS below after Sonoma.

[deeveedee]

57 minutes ago, Henry2010 said:

Easier to try different EFI folders too. Just need to change the boot order.

 

Your ability to juggle multiple EFIs is better than mine.  I found that no matter how certain I was of my BIOS boot order, I occasionally had situations where multiple EFIs caused my hack to boot from the wrong one.  I prefer having a single "permanently-installed" EFI and I test a different EFI by installing it on a bootable USB thumb drive. 

 

EDIT: Having a single EFI that boots multiple macOS versions may be more complex, since it may require MInKernel / MaxKernel limits to  make sure that kexts are conditionally injected based on the macOS version.

Edited August 5, 2023 by deeveedee

[Henties]

2 hours ago, deeveedee said:

@eSaF and @SavageAUS ,

 

On my HackBookPro6,2 (laptop), I run multiple macOS versions on a single drive (each in its own APFS volume and all APFS volumes in a single container). I have a single EFI that boots all macOS version (which, in my case, requires some MinKernel and MaxKernel limits on kexts).  My second SSD in the laptop is for Time Machine.

 

On my HackMini8,1 (mini Desktop), I have two NVMe SSDS, each with multiple APFS volumes (each volume with a different installations of macOS).  I find it easiest to have a single EFI on one of the drives and I boot all macOS installations with the single EFI.  I have a third drive for TimeMachine.

 

If I need to experiment with a new macOS installation, I simply create a new APFS volume in an existing APFS container and perform my clean macOS install to the new volume.  I delete the APFS volume when I finish the experiment.

 

I don't run Windows or Linux on my hacks, but when I did run Windows, I would have Windows on a separate drive.  EDIT: And when I did run Windows on my hack, I did not boot Windows with OC EFI - I booted Windows from the BIOS selection menu.

 

EDIT: If I need to experiment with a new EFI, I always install the new EFI on a USB thumb drive and test the new EFI by booting from the thumb drive.  I find that having multiple EFIs installed permanently can lead to confusion.  For me, having a single permanently installed EFI eliminates confusion and eliminates the possibility that I'm testing with the wrong EFI.

I agree entirely with @deeveedeeand his "modus operandi" as he very aptly explained. 

@eSaFI suggest that you"exploit" the advantages of APFS volume groups in a single container on a single APFS formatted storage medium. To me it proved to be a real time as well as cost saver. Say no more, to me APFS and it's capabilities are just something I wish not to ever do without.

 

Greetings Hentings. 

 

1 hour ago, deeveedee said:

 

Your ability to juggle multiple EFIs is better than mine.  I found that no matter how certain I was of my BIOS boot order, I occasionally had situations where multiple EFIs caused my hack to boot from the wrong one.  I prefer having a single "permanently-installed" EFI and I test a different EFI by installing it on a bootable USB thumb drive. 

 

EDIT: Having a single EFI that boots multiple macOS versions may be more complex, since it may require MInKernel / MaxKernel limits to  make sure that kexts are conditionally injected based on the macOS version.

Again I agree entirely with @deeveedee his way of "working" is exactly the same as mine and has proven to be successful for my way of working.

 

Greetings Henties

[Henry2010]

2 hours ago, deeveedee said:

 

Your ability to juggle multiple EFIs is better than mine.  I found that no matter how certain I was of my BIOS boot order, I occasionally had situations where multiple EFIs caused my hack to boot from the wrong one.  I prefer having a single "permanently-installed" EFI and I test a different EFI by installing it on a bootable USB thumb drive. 

 

EDIT: Having a single EFI that boots multiple macOS versions may be more complex, since it may require MInKernel / MaxKernel limits to  make sure that kexts are conditionally injected based on the macOS version.

 

I use Bootloader Chooser.

But never mind since my post was deleted.

Of course using flash drives are safer.

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Henry2010

[deeveedee]

@eSaF Frank did do it his way!  LMAO 🤣

[surenmunoo]

@deeveedeeI use a single EFI with min kernal and max kernel that boots well into Ventura, and Sonoma. I found that having various EFI's stuck into different volumes causes issues. This was also advised to me by Mald0n that I must only have 1 EFI in my system and if I need to have various copies then it must be in a USB rather so as not to conflict. 

[deeveedee]

3 hours ago, surenmunoo said:

This was also advised to me by Mald0n

 

I am honored to be mentioned in the same sentence with him.  I learned a lot from MaLd0n and relied on much of his teachings, along with those of Slice and Rehabman when I was first learning to hack.  If MaLd0n agrees, then that's good enough for me.

Edited August 6, 2023 by deeveedee

[SavageAUS]

I think delete the ventura partition. It's easier to go out. Once done, create a new partition for the other OS below after Sonoma.

Problem is Ventura is installed on the drive first and even if booted into Sonoma I cannot remove it.
Might be time to test fresh installs.


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[surenmunoo]

1 hour ago, SavageAUS said:

Problem is Ventura is installed on the drive first and even if booted into Sonoma I cannot remove it.
Might be time to test fresh installs.


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If you partitioned your drive after installing Ventura and then installed Sonoma, you can only delete the partition you created 2nd so you won't be able to delete the first partition that Ventura sits in. 

[naiclub]

5 hours ago, SavageAUS said:

Problem is Ventura is installed on the drive first and even if booted into Sonoma I cannot remove it.
Might be time to test fresh installs.


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4 hours ago, surenmunoo said:

If you partitioned your drive after installing Ventura and then installed Sonoma, you can only delete the partition you created 2nd so you won't be able to delete the first partition that Ventura sits in. 

I think that's probably true as you said.
But looking at the other side, you use USB boot can delete it. I have tried it and it works well.

[Slice]

Strange. I have one drive with several partitions and I am able to add and delete any partition I like. Recently I shrink Mojave partition to create Sonoma partition. It is long duration process but success.

[naiclub]

50 minutes ago, Slice said:

Strange. I have one drive with several partitions and I am able to add and delete any partition I like. Recently I shrink Mojave partition to create Sonoma partition. It is long duration process but success.

If you use an SSD HDD, it won't take long. Unless you are using an older HDD.

[surenmunoo]

1 hour ago, Slice said:

Strange. I have one drive with several partitions and I am able to add and delete any partition I like. Recently I shrink Mojave partition to create Sonoma partition. It is long duration process but success.

If you try to delete the original partition, it won't let you do that in Mac. You will be able to delete any partition that is secondary to the original. As you see from below examples that when I highlight the original partition, Sonoma or Ventura, the minus(-) is greyed out so not able to but if I select any secondary partition I am able to delete it via the minus button

Edited August 6, 2023 by surenmunoo

[Slice]

I also want to remind that if originally drive was partitionned by Windows 10 to GPT then you can't repartition it in macOS.

macOS GPT is not same as Windows GPT. Once I have to entirely reformat disk with losing windows.

[Matgen84]

Hi all

Z390 config: Install Sonoma Dev Beta 4 successfully on a specific hard drive (Clover 5154 last commit). Fenvi FV-T919 (Wifi not working, BT OK), Intel 9560 ac (Wifi working using Airportitwlm for Sonoma Preview 04 despite country code issue, BT deactivated) 😊

Edited August 6, 2023 by Matgen84

[mek21]

8 hours ago, Slice said:

Strange. I have one drive with several partitions and I am able to add and delete any partition I like. Recently I shrink Mojave partition to create Sonoma partition. It is long duration process but success.

Depending on the speed of your hardware, rather than taking hours to shrink a partition and create another with disk utility, it is a lot quicker to first use disk utility to back up to a bootable SD card or portable hard dirve.  Boot to linux (gparted on USB) and create the desired (smaller) partition(s) in HFS+.  Then use disk utility to convert to APFS and restore to the smaller partition. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by mek21

[CloverLeaf]

Today I fully tested the HDMI functionality on my laptop and everything works great. Unlike Ventura, Sonoma detects and outputs to external monitor after sleep and (re)boot without the need of unplug/plugin again. I am able to get 4K@30Hz, 2K@60Hz and 1080@120Hz. Audio through HDMI works. Dell WD19S works and can hook external monitors both through HDMI and DP. I am happy

 

 

Here's my DP section if anyone is interested:

 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by CloverLeaf

[hiphopboy]

11 hours ago, CloverLeaf said:

Today I fully tested the HDMI functionality on my laptop and everything works great. Unlike Ventura, Sonoma detects and outputs to external monitor after sleep and (re)boot without the need of unplug/plugin again. I am able to get 4K@30Hz, 2K@60Hz and 1080@120Hz. Audio through HDMI works. Dell WD19S works and can hook external monitors both through HDMI and DP. I am happy

 

 

Here's my DP section if anyone is interested:

 

 

 

must add the enable-hdmi20 to hdmi port working ?

[Stefanalmare]

12 hours ago, CloverLeaf said:

Today I fully tested the HDMI functionality on my laptop and everything works great. Unlike Ventura, Sonoma detects and outputs to external monitor after sleep and (re)boot without the need of unplug/plugin again. I am able to get 4K@30Hz, 2K@60Hz and 1080@120Hz. Audio through HDMI works. Dell WD19S works and can hook external monitors both through HDMI and DP. I am happy

 

 

Here's my DP section if anyone is interested:

 

 

 

Please give me this config in editable format. Thank you!

[CloverLeaf]

1 hour ago, hiphopboy said:

 

must add the enable-hdmi20 to hdmi port working ?

 

I need this particular DP only to be able to output 4K. Not needed for lower resolutions.

 

 

1 hour ago, Stefanalmare said:

 

Please give me this config in editable format. Thank you!

 

 

Sure. Here's my config.plist

 

 

config.plist

[miliuco]

Deleted. Moved to Sonoma post install forum.

@aniuks27 @Naki go there, thanks.

Edited August 7, 2023 by miliuco