[pre-release] macOS Ventura

[PoMpIs]

39 minutes ago, Naki said:

Guys, when testing USB flash drives speeds, of course USB 2.0 is useless, as it is very old now.

Also, please avoid using (i.e. purchasing) and testing "fake", cheap USB 3.1 (was 3.0) drives, where you will often find they have a fairly good read speed, but horrible (too low) write speed.

(Often, such inferior USB drives do not even list any write speed in their official specs!)

 

Shoot for something that has at least 200 MB/sec read, and 100 MB/sec write speed.  

 

Well, it seems that you are right, Venture does not like cheap flash drives 😁..

 

I have done a test with a 1Tb USB SSD, and it copies fast

 

 

[CloverLeaf]

HP EliteDesk updated earlier today. Everything seems to work fine. Only Intel bluetooth doesn't work but it's not working in any Ventura release anyway. Intel Wi-Fi works tho. 

USB transfer speeds are okay. All my 3.0 , 3.2 flash drives tested and work as expected. 

Anybody tried CrossOver under Ventura ? Keep crashing here.

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers!

Edited August 11, 2022 by Jazzoo

[Moviemakergr]

2 hours ago, Naki said:

Guys, when testing USB flash drives speeds - regardless of which OS you do the testing on - of course USB 2.0 is useless, as it is very old now.

Also, please avoid using (i.e. purchasing) and testing "fake", cheap USB 3.1 (was 3.0) drives, where you will often find they have a fairly good read speed, but horrible (too low) write speed.

(Often, such inferior USB drives do not even list any write speed in their official specs!)

 

Shoot for something that has at least 200 MB/sec read, and 100 MB/sec write speed.  

 

1 hour ago, Hervé said:

Cheap USB3.x keys often tend to heat up quite a lot which dramatically degrades performance too. 'better conduct those Ventura tests with an externally attached SSD than a cheap USB key, yes.

 

My USB Dongle is a Sandisk 16GB ultra flare USB 3..

The point is the different between monterey and ventura.

On monterey i haven't prob on Ventura is the prob..

As have write before is extremely slow when write on EFI partition.. not on regular copy.

[PoMpIs]

17 minutes ago, Moviemakergr said:

 

 

My USB Dongle is a Sandisk 16GB ultra flare USB 3..

The point is the different between monterey and ventura.

On monterey i haven't prob on Ventura is the prob..

As have write before is extremely slow when write on EFI partition.. not on regular copy.

 

To me in the EFI of a USB it copies me like this:

 

 

It's better or worse for you???

[deeveedee]

27 minutes ago, Moviemakergr said:

As have write before is extremely slow when write on EFI partition.. not on regular copy.

 

Have you tried running First Aid on your thumb drive / EFI partition?

[PoMpIs]

@Jazzoo 

 

CrossOver tells me this:

 

 

 

[Common_Sense]

I can no longer play videos in Apple TV in B5, anyone else got this problem? 

[Moviemakergr]

40 minutes ago, PoMpIs said:

 

To me in the EFI of a USB it copies me like this:

 

 

It's better or worse for you???

Yours is much better ..

Mine stuck and write 2 by 2 (or 3 by 3 ) files close to the end..

 

35 minutes ago, deeveedee said:

 

Have you tried running First Aid on your thumb drive / EFI partition?

 No but i use the same usb on monterey without probs..

Edited August 11, 2022 by Moviemakergr

[deeveedee]

@Moviemakergr Are you using the latest HFS+ driver from here?  Note that I'm not sure if the HFS+ driver could impact EFI read/write performance - I'll admit that I'm guessing at this point.  Not sure what I was thinking.  The HFSPlus.efi wouldn't have anything to do with the drive performance you're observing in macOS.

 

EDIT: It might be interesting to format your USB thumb drive as FAT32 to see if you can duplicate the slow EFI performance on a non-EFI partition.  Associating the performance issue with a specific drive format might help to isolate the problem.

Edited August 11, 2022 by deeveedee

[CloverLeaf]

@PoMpIs thanks! Same here. Failed to run Python script. Not a big deal, I know it's early for debugging 3rd party apps. To me Ventura is the first OS that works so well in beta compared to any previous OS beta's. Correct me if I'm wrong, just a personal feeling.

[PoMpIs]

23 minutes ago, Jazzoo said:

@PoMpIs thanks! Same here. Failed to run Python script. Not a big deal, I know it's early for debugging 3rd party apps. To me Ventura is the first OS that works so well in beta compared to any previous OS beta's. Correct me if I'm wrong, just a personal feeling.

 

I have problems with several applications in Ventura, some make "WindowServer" fail and send me to the login screen... but obviously it is a beta and those applications are not adapted to Ventura... if not I use the system works well and stable👍

[trifle]

Ventura Beta 4 upgraded from Beta 3, seems mostly OK
But: Attempting upgrade to Beta 5
  Downloaded 1.18 GB upgrade package
System freezes without panic showing "About 25 minutes remaining"

Freeze occurs more than 70 minutes later if wifi, bluetooth, cpu friend, card reader extensions are not loaded

 

Any suggestions?
 

Dell Latitude 7480
CPU i5-7300U, HD 620 Graphics
Alps U1 trackpad + DualPoint Stick [044E:120B]
Intel 8265 wireless adapter
Intel I219-LM ethernet adapter
Realtek ALC 3246 audio
Realtek 525A SD card reader
16 GB DDR4 RAM
Sandisk WD Black SN720 NVMe SSD
BIOS 1.26.0, SMBIOS 3.0.0, SKU=07A0, Baseboard=00F6D3

This configuration runs Mojave and Catalina with SecureModeModel=Disable
This configuration runs Monterey and Big Sur with SecureModeModel=Default

 

UPDATE

One day later, I decided to try using my Clover 5148 build.  It allowed the upgrade to Beta 5 to succeed.  At second reboot, I switched back to OpenCore 0.8.3, and that completed the installation.

 

Notes about Unknown Developer lurking about keened my interest.

 

Login Item

 amdstat added

 

Nothing else interesting happening.

 

 

NOTE: I withdrew the attachments, as they are no longer useful or sufficient to reproduce the issue.
 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by trifle
Fixed by booting clover.

[deeveedee]

3 hours ago, Hervé said:

Cheap USB3.x keys often tend to heat up quite a lot which dramatically degrades performance too.

 

Thanks for the tip!  I'm installing heatsinks/fans on my old USB keys.

 

USB Thumb Drive with Heatsink / Fan

Spoiler

 

[PoMpIs]

1 hour ago, Common_Sense said:

I can no longer play videos in Apple TV in B5, anyone else got this problem? 

 

With smbios MacPro7,1 it is working fine for me

 

 

 

 

[Common_Sense]

13 minutes ago, PoMpIs said:

 

With smbios MacPro7,1 it is working fine for me

 

 

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Yes... It was working the whole time but playing on my 2nd monitor (TV) which had another input selected. hehe, well it works at least even if I look like a fool.

 

Do you have DRM working in Safari?

[PoMpIs]

16 minutes ago, Common_Sense said:

 

Yes... It was working the whole time but playing on my 2nd monitor (TV) which had another input selected. hehe, well it works at least even if I look like a fool.

 

Do you have DRM working in Safari?

 

Yes, everything works on safari, Netflix, Disney+, HBO 👍

[PoMpIs]

@Common_Sense 

 

I was curious if the DRM was still working when connecting a second monitor... and indeed it only works for 30 seconds, then it stops and the video is black  

 

 

Removing the second monitor makes everything work again.. 

 

With each new beta we are losing something 😆

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by PoMpIs

[Matgen84]

13 hours ago, eSaF said:

With SmBIOS iMac 20,2 all good on mine although have to use Chrome for Netflix and Amazon.

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Hi @eSaF I want to tru my Clover config.plist with SMBIOS Imac20,1 (Z390 i7 9700k, RX 580) on Ventura. I see you use SMBIOS Imac20,2. What do you think is the best choice? I don't understand the difference between the two except for the graphics card on these original Apple models.
Let me know, please.

[miliuco]

@Matgen84

These are the specs of 4 iMac SMBIOS we can have:

• iMac19,1 >> CPU Coffee Lake / Radeon Pro 570X / 27" 2017 2019
• iMac19,2 >> CPU Coffee Lake / Radeon Pro 555X / 21.5" 2017 2019
• iMac20,1 >> CPU Comet Lake / Radeon Pro 5300/5500 XT / 27" 2020
• iMac20,2 >> CPU Comet Lake / Radeon Pro 5700/5700 XT / 27" 2020.

Accordingly, iMac 19.1 and 19.2 seem more suitable to our 9th gen CPUs. but I really think that any of the 4 is suitable for our machines.

All 4 have Radeon dGPUs and also Intel UHD 630.

I usually have iMac19,1 and @eSaF 20,2.

In my opinion, you can try but macOS is going to work the same with any of the 4.

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by miliuco

[PoMpIs]

58 minutes ago, MacAbe said:

That can't be, here beta 5, smbios MacPro7.1 with 2 Display everything works fine, Amazon Prime too...!

 

what GPU do you have?

[D3v1L]

btw lol

 

 

0 slot occupied xD

[Common_Sense]

4 minutes ago, D3v1L said:

btw lol

 

 

0 slot occupied xD

This is how it looks like without RestrictEvent kext. If you use RestrictEvent kext, it will look similar to other mac models.

[D3v1L]

5 hours ago, Common_Sense said:

This is how it looks like without RestrictEvent kext. If you use RestrictEvent kext, it will look similar to other mac models.

Sure but... this is not my hackintosh....is my 2019 MacPro7,1 🤣 😉 

Edited August 12, 2022 by D3v1L

[Matgen84]

2 hours ago, miliuco said:

@Matgen84

These are the specs of 4 iMac SMBIOS we can have:

• iMac19,1 >> CPU Coffee Lake / Radeon Pro 570X / 27" 2017 
• iMac19,2 >> CPU Coffee Lake / Radeon Pro 555X / 21.5" 2017
• iMac20,1 >> CPU Comet Lake / Radeon Pro 5300/5500 XT / 27" 2020
• iMac20,2 >> CPU Comet Lake / Radeon Pro 5700/5700 XT / 27" 2020.

Accordingly, iMac 19.1 and 19.2 seem more suitable to our 9th gen CPUs. but I really think that any of the 4 is suitable for our machines.

All 4 have Radeon dGPUs and also Intel UHD 630.

I usually have iMac19,1 and @eSaF 20,2.

In my opinion, you can try but macOS is going to work the same with any of the 4.

 

 

@miliuco Thanks. I'm agree with you. Actually, I use SMBIOS Imac19,1 suitable for our 9th CPU. These 2 Aluminum iMac models was introduced in 2019 (not in 2017 as you wrote, Bro).

[PoMpIs]

22 minutes ago, MacAbe said:

AMD RX 580

 

I knew it!!! 😄 ... Does that GPU have Metal 3 in Ventura?

 

 

Because in Monterey with metal 2 it works for me with two or more monitors

Edited August 12, 2022 by PoMpIs