Why are Mac users Stuck up!

[ampTK]

Saying all mac users are like that is over simplifying. There are two kind of mac users, one that is just ignorant of computers, and the other that see the whole picture, and takes advantage of things like being based on unix.

 

The first kind, the computer illiterates are the ones most people talk about, because they are easy to spot. They are arrogant and annoying because they are ignorant. Those can' understand the advantages of OS X just know "is best, and problem free" something that we know no OS is. They hate windows in a unreasonable way.

 

The second, are those who know what they are doing, and what they like of their macs as well as what not. They come in a wide range of computer knowledge, but have at least a general working knowledge. This have used, and probably use frequently other OSs, and know things that they like and dislike about them too. This group generally appreciate industrial design, and see it as an added value that they pay for.

 

 

On the same subject there are three kinds of windows users:

 

First are the guys who don't even know there is something called a mac. for them windows is how computers are, and can't come around the concepts of operating system or web browser (there is the computer and the internet). Know virus exist and are bad, but don't know what they are or how to prevent 'em

 

The second are the gaming junkies, and hardware enthusiast, this all they care is having the latest games and the most powerful hardware they can afford (or not). They see computers as a set of tech specs, and if can't play their games is worthless; the idea of industrial design as an added value is ridiculous, so paying for it is even more. Those have generally only used windows (maybe used linux for coupe of minutes) and anything that works in a way different that works in Windows is "wrong" or "bad" instead of different. They despise macs, and mac users as much as the first mac users hate them.

 

And the third is the group who uses windows because it works the best for them, similarly to the second mac users group, they have the apps they need there and they feel comfortable in windows. Generally, they don't use other OSs, but may have tried them. Are annoyed by virus, ad-ware, and resource hog, and work to remove 'em if they know how. They don't feel any need for a huge change is the OS other more stability and security.

[gwprod12]

Agreed.

[baysie]

Ok, I have always preferred the my MAC G4 laptop over my Sony Vio (which looks dated), my G4, ipod however don't look dated.

 

I still get looked at everytime I get my lappy out of bag at University.......

 

Just coz you have a little pride in what you use doesnt make you stuck up......is that a better answer ?

[gwprod12]

Having pride in your body or your accomplishments is a little more reasonable than having pride in something you bought in a store.

[xtraa]

(my god man, its just a dam machine....LOL)

 

Wrong.

 

I can really understand your pov, but if you spend 9 hours a day of you conscious life in front of such a machine, and 4 hours @home plus everything like video, audio, telly and web is connected to it, then it is not anymore_just_a_machine.

 

A blender is just a machine but even here is a difference between Hamilton Beach and Daytek especially if you are a bartender.

[gwprod12]

Yes, but dont you think going out of your way to extol the virtues of your "superior" blender is a little nutty?

 

"My blender is better than your blender!"

 

"If only you used <insert name here> brand of blenders, you wouldnt be such a mook"

 

"God, <off brand blender> people are stupid, jeeze."

 

"Yeah, I just bought a <insert name here> brand of blender. Look at me!"

 

"I've been using a <insert name of blender> for years, and I have to say, <competing brand of blender>'s just arent very good."

 

"My <insert name of blender> uses the <insert gearing mechanism here> which has been shown in benchmarks to be 1.5 times faster than your <insert gearing mechanism here>"

 

"What the ad is trying to say is that people who use <insert name of blender here> are cool, laid-back college age studs whereas those who use <insert competing brand of blender> are really old nerds who cant get laid"

 

Must we have this Coke vs Pepsi/Bud vs MGD/Mercedes vs BMW/Nike vs British Knights/My {censored} is Bigger than yours/Mac vs PC egotistical script-kiddy flamefest continuously?

[A Nonny Moose]

It's a big deal when OS X gets hacked, cause OS X is supposed to be "Hack-proof" and "Virus Free".

 

Some Mac Users Who shall not be named ( ) look for every possible way to "prove" that their platform of choice is better, thus "proving" that they themselves, are better. A recent example might hypothetically be a freakout post about how a rival computer manufacturer is playing big brother. Hypothetically.

 

Get over it. Macs are cool. But they arent miraculous or anything.

 

Oh for the want of an assclown smiley, but I digress...

 

You know, I never said Macs are perfect. I never said Windows is perfect. I never said Linux is perfect. No OS is 100% perfect nor is it 100% secure. Anyone who thinks their OS is that way IMHO, DESERVES to be hacked. Now will you stop with your {censored} and move on?

 

Must we have this Coke vs Pepsi/Bud vs MGD/Mercedes vs BMW/Nike vs British Knights/My {censored} is Bigger than yours/Mac vs PC egotistical script-kiddy flamefest continuously?

 

Well, if you'd stop contributing your flames to it, then it might stop.

[xtraa]

Must we have this Coke vs Pepsi/Bud vs MGD/Mercedes vs BMW/Nike vs British Knights/My {censored} is Bigger than yours/Mac vs PC egotistical script-kiddy flamefest continuously?

 

Absolutely right.

 

But what makes a brand successful? Is it just talking? In my opinion it is just functionality. It has to work good and it has to work for me. Even Pepsi or Coke or DrPeppers works by the taste they have. Thats why I would never buy a Hummer, even if I could afford 5 of them, because they just have no function that fits my needs.

 

On the other side, I know what can happen, if I buy a USB Webcam instead of an iSight. Sometimes if you buy cheap, you buy twice. The cheap vendors know that and make millions with it.

 

Talking about Apple, it is not all gold, OS9 was ugly and the 1button Mouse etc... but today they relly made it for me. The OS is exactly what I want and gives me the possibilities that I want. Windows does this only at 70 percent. And I don't want to see technic. For me technic has to be a) invisible or be) well designed. by design, i would include "form follows function" of course.

 

And Apple gets very close to that idea.

 

But that does not mean that I have any probs with a Linux using Dr. Emmett Brown, doing fancy stuff in his laboratory, with lots of pizza pieces and open PCs around. It is ok but I don't want to wake up in this

[jonz14]

For about the past year I have used OS X on my PC and I know it is probally not the same thing as owning a real Mac but i still feel a little bit better than the people running Windows. I don't gloat or anything but I do tell a few of my friends that they should switch to Mac and tell them about a few features of it (no viruses always gets them to listen).

[Pantalaimon]

Coke is better than pepsi ._.!

[slipstream]

I am a mac user who use to be a PC user and I am just an averge guy heck I even work at the post office so I am in no way stuck up so hey there is no need to fret you wont suddenly change when you buy a Mac

you'll still be you and if you are stuck up now no doubt you will be after you buy your Mac.. but I am sure you are a nice guy and not stuck up now so hey relax and enjoy a new Mac or whatever else you want.

The annoying people always stick out and I have met plenty of stuck up PC users who laugh and hassle me cause they feel they are superior and I am a dumb ass for switching to a Mac.. I now they are a tiny minority like the stuckup Mac users.. only a small percentage..

 

PS one cool thing is that if you buy Mac hareware you can bring all OS users together to one happy family by installing OS X Linux and Windows on the one system.. wow I never thought of this before we could be the new leaders the new world order and look down on those that only use one OS !

Today OSX and Linux and Windows tomoorow the world.. what hang on the police are breaking down the door no I am not stcuk up or insane or mad... Haha yes

[br0adband]

It's been a long time since I've posted here, but here goes. I think I've earned a bit of leeway for my efforts, so let's see what happens. Mind you, this posting is coming from a guy that's installed Windows-based operating systems over 150,000 times in his career, built over 4,800 PCs from the bare parts all the way to fully working machines (not on some assembly line) including installing the OS (as I just said) and then installing software, tweaking, tuning, optimizing, etc etc...

 

I've been doing this longer than some if not most of you young punks (just kidding, calm down, sonny) have been breathing, as it were.

 

So, forgive me when I go all William Shatner and say to those that keep bashing Windows or Macs:

 

GET A LIFE, PEOPLE.

 

It's a damned computer running an operating system. The mere fact that Apple chose the name iLife for one of its products doesn't excuse the abuse either, as silly as it seems.

 

This comes from the guy that released the first working generic installer DVD for OSx86... remember that? bender12 did the real work; I just took the files and added documentation (that I received a ton of compliments about - thank you very much) and then dumped it for the world to have at it - but who knows where things would be right now if bender12 and I hadn't bumped heads and decided to do that. Perhaps you wouldn't even have this forum you currently have and things would have gone in an entirely different direction.

 

So, I know a bit about OSx86, and I have a pretty unique perspective on the situation because of what I just said. I've run it on my own hardware, I contributed an article or two to the wiki in it's original form (Mash was forced to remove said articles because of pressure from "someone"), I still have hardware listed on the hardware wiki, and other things related to OSx86.

 

I'll be flat out honest and just say it: I think Macs are boring and they are useless to me. If someone gave me a MacBook Pro today I'd format that {censored} as fast as I could boot it and install XP on it natively and if I couldn't do that adequately I'd sell it.

 

But, I don't have anything personal against Apple or Macintoshes other than to say they simply don't make much sense to me. Admittedly, this again is coming from a guy that's been working with not just PCs but computers since 1974. I built an Altair, the first "kit" computer for enthusiasts in 1975 from resisters and wafer boards and other various parts in a box I bought from Heathkit.

 

I know computers, quite well, and I just don't understand the Mac vs. PC arguments. I don't get how someone can tell me a Mac is so much better than a PC because I can do the stuff on PC that they can do on a Mac and vice versa. If I can do what they can do, and they can do what I can do, who the hell is to say one is better than the other? That's where it just gets blown out of proportion.

 

Use it, don't use it, that's all fine and dandy. But one is not necessarily better than the other, not by a longshot.

 

Write a document on Mac? Sure, I can do that on a PC. Play music? Sure, I can do that too. Browse the web? Yep, that too. Burn CDs and DVDs, make movies? Yep, most definitely. Send emails? Sure. You name it, they both can do it, so get over it. Go take a walk, and leave the laptop at home. Get some fresh air, etc.

 

Windows is very buggy, faulty, and overly hyped

 

What exactly does that mean, anyway? I've got a Windows laptop here and here are some details:

 

It doesn't crash.

I don't have BSODs.

I don't have virus issues.

I don't have spyware issues.

I don't have adware issues.

I have almost 8 days of uptime simply because I don't turn it off.

My Wife does all her web design work using Dreamweaver.

I use Avant (an IE add-on sorta) and I think Firefox is a slow bloated piece of {censored}.

I'm on IRC almost all the time if I'm at the laptop and I've been using mIRC for 14 years now - a Windows program - and it's never crashed on me, ever - and I've been on IRC overall since 1989.

I burn CDs/DVDs with Nero 6 because 7 sucks.

I don't use email software; all my accounts are webmail/HTML based services (Gmail, Cox, Hotmail, etc)

I listen to music with WinAMP.

I watch videos of all kinds using Media Player Classic.

I do audio editing with SoundForge.

I use Word 2003 for writing stories and the like.

etc etc...

 

So, tell me, what makes a Mac - any Mac ever made - so much better than this 5 year old Dell laptop that I have now? What is your criteria for better anyway? Can someone explain that to me?

 

Macs are I ADMIT IT overly priced, but you pay the extra $ for security, stability, and eye candy.

 

I could care less about "eye candy" which is the primary selling point for Apple hardware above and beyond anything the hardware actually does performance-wise. I could run a theme on Windows that you'd be practically impossible to tell from a real OSX machine; does that mean anything? No, not really.

 

As far as stability of the machines/operating system, while I was sitting in the IRC channel (#osx86) the past few days, I've noted several people making complaints about their new MBPs and MacPros, sometimes stuff just crashes outright (iPhoto was mentioned several times), iTunes once or twice, iLife wouldn't install on one machine, the heat issues (now apparently finally resolved with the firmware update - what took so long?), etc.

 

And these were complaints I noted from real Mac owners, not just people using the hacked OSx86 versions available on most torrent sites or Usenet. So you might want to look up the word "stability" in the dictionary because apparently we're not using the same definition or you're just "Thinking Different" or something.

 

I know the virus thing is the biggest hype-factor of all for Macs. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that at some point in the next 1-2 years, something nasty is going to make itself known in the Mac universe. I'm not hinting at anything: I don't know any virus writers, spam kinds, adware gods, etc. I just get the sneaking suspicion - and I've been right before on stuff like this - that someone somewhere is finally going to get sick of the "Macs are safer" issue and bring them to their knees. If I'm wrong, so be it. But I don't think I am, and just because they're BSD based isn't going to save them.

 

Obviously when Apple stated years ago "twice as fast" they've never been able to live it down - until earlier this week, that is, when they finally got a machine that truly IS twice as fast. Is it their fault? No, because progress has happened over the years and now they finally can say "twice as fast" without being liars.

 

I'm not smug about Windows or PCs, I'm just aiming for people that continually rant about Windows when it's really not that bad overall.

 

What I would say to those that absolutely hate Windows for no reason other than to be able to "Think Different" by thinking the same and say "Windows sucks" is, once again, get a life. Apple is a hardware manufacturer that happens to also create the operating system for the computers they build. It only took them what, 17-18 years to come to the realization that "We're not having much luck with this, so let's just lease BSD code and base our platform on that."

 

Imagine what could happen if Microsoft tossed in the towel and did something that completely antithetical to their cause - what a sh*tstorm that would bring about.

 

To those diehards I go back to the same thing:

 

You watch movies on a Mac; I watch movies on a PC.

You listen to music on a Mac; I listen to music on a PC.

You edit videos on a Mac; I edit videos on a PC.

You play games on a Mac - well, some games, sure; I play games on a PC - if I played games, that is.

You surf the web on a Mac; I surf the web on a PC.

You send emails on a Mac; I send emails on a PC.

 

Macs are undoubtedly years ahead of Windows in a # of areas. The biggest one being Stability. Windows just doesn't have it. Macs will be good for what they do best : Audio/Photo/Video editing... Windows is good for Gaming and internet. i guess. but what WIndows pwns Mac with is Compatibility. That's all i can say for now... We/I can't control what other ppl say. People who are too stubborn to give up windows yet keep it are dumb. Apple just needs to fund a free Mac Mini for ppl so they can try it. Its just a matter of time

 

I just... good lord... you're a killer artist, Staphyl, but that entire statement just... well... I hope you can figure it out. Macs and OSX are based on BSD, which has been around for a long damned time, so don't think Apple just suddenly created it out of thin air. If it's stable (see above about the stability {censored}) it's because of BSD, not Apple nor of it being a Macintosh. If those two things have anything to do with it it's strictly because of the proprietary and very limited nature of Macintosh hardware: they really don't have an infinite variety of stuff to choose from.

 

Audio/Photo/Video? On a PC? I use SoundForge for audio (arguably the best), I use Paint Shop Pro for Photo/image work (poor man's Photoshop since Photoshop is ridiculously overpriced), and I use Virtual Dub for video work (free software that kicks). So, what makes a Mac so much better in that respect? Does the fact that you might pay $1500 for 3 pieces of software make a Mac better for those 3 tasks? No way in hell.

 

I can build a machine from top to bottom for $500 that will stomp the guts out of your Mac across the board. Go figure. And it's because of competition in the marketplace over all the years, which is a very good thing.

 

Also, why doesn't anyone ever come down on Apple for creating an operating system that throws in so many apps? Windows tries to do that, to a lesser degree (no DVD creation software - that's coming with Vista) and gets slammed for being monopolistic on the desktop, yet no one bats an eye at Apple and the Macintosh when it tries to bundle everything under the sun.

 

I still can't figure that one out.

 

Yanno, I could go on with this forever but I think that if you have even the slightest modicum of intelligence and you stop allowing your fever for the Mac to get in the way of clear logical thinking, you'd probably come to realize it's just a computer, just an operating system, just application software that works just like similar software does on a PC.

 

So why all the "Windows sucks" "PCs suck" "BLAH I need to get a life if I let this {censored} affect me this way"

 

What always made me laugh, from the day in 1984 when the Macintosh was first released (some of you weren't even born yet, amazingly) I've always noted one particularly interesting thing about Apple and I brought this up last year when I started to get involved in OSx86, and that is:

 

For a company that invented the slogan "Think Different," I find it amazingly counterproductive for them to go around breeding the contempt for the PC world that they do. It's so ironic that in order for you to "Think Different" you have to "Think The Same As Us" almost to cultish levels of insistence:

 

You have to look like us.

You have to think like us.

You have to own the computers we make.

All our computers look alike.

All our computers work alike.

All our stuff is basically the same.

So to be different you really have to be like us.

 

Am I the only one that sees how you can't "Think Different" by "Thinking Like Us And Using What We Use And Buying What We Sell" ?

 

Apple is not perfect for everyone. Macintoshes are not the best personal computers ever made for everyone. OSX is not the best operating system for a personal computer ever made for everyone.

 

It might be best for you, but you're not me and that means it's not the best for everyone. It sure would be nice if people would just pay attention to that and get off the Windows bashing for a bit.

 

Guess I'm "Just Different."

 

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[slipstream]

you guys make me laugh it is all so silly and you all get so serious about this stuff.. the last post said 1 thing i think is true.. get a life.. the rest of the post like most is just too unbelievably serious..

crikey guys these are only computers and maybe we should put our energies into something important like starving people and injustice or something of true value... come on.. smile a little have a good laugh at ourselves

.. all this passion should be keep for a real cause or in th bedroom wink wink

[Ouch]

This thread has the most essays ever! I can't be bothered reading them so i'll just second te sentiments of the Shat!

[xtraa]

hey there is no need to fret you wont suddenly change when you buy a Mac

you'll still be you and if you are stuck up now no doubt you will be after you buy your Mac..

 

Word!

 

[Jeezoflip]

ive never met a stuck up mac user. They just all seem to be rich people though, because they are the only ones who can afford them! haha

[slipstream]

ive never met a stuck up mac user. They just all seem to be rich people though, because they are the only ones who can afford them! haha

 

i must be a rich postal worker then LOL sweet!

[rick taylor]

It's not a case of stuck up, it is a question of taste.

 

It's like the difference between people who drink the finest wines and people who drink no-frills vodka.

 

What ever floats your boat..

 

Personally I like a mix of both, usually in the same glass. It's what us alcoholics call virtshulization.

[Pantalaimon]

ive never met a stuck up mac user. They just all seem to be rich people though, because they are the only ones who can afford them! haha

 

 

i must be a rich postal worker then LOL sweet!

 

we must be rich of referrals xD

[Jeezoflip]

i must be a rich postal worker then LOL sweet!

 

hahahaha. Or maybe you stole one out of the mail whyll you were delivering it.

[slipstream]

hahahaha. Or maybe you stole one out of the mail whyll you were delivering it.

 

I just know how to manage my finanace and spend it on what I really want..

[Danyel]

The thing about Macs is that they're designed to make you think you're better than other people. I dont know how they do it, but even I feel better than lowly windows users when I'm in OS X.

 

I agree with gwprod12, I feel more 'relaxed and peaceful' using Mac OS X. I have been (and still am) Windows user for many years. After OSx86 came out, I rediscovered Apple and OS X. When it came time to replace my Home PC, I used OSx86's Hardware Compatibility Wiki to build custom build my PC.

 

I've been a happy camper ever since