domino Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I once believed that we are our country's future. I'm approaching my middle ages and it sure doesn't feel like I can make any difference. No matter how much technology advances to try to catch terrorists and extemists, that deterrent will never win. You can invent a 100% effective chemical sniffer, you can racial profile all you want, you can snap pics from space, and you can have a million spies all over the world. The end result of all these put together is not even 70% effective. Terrorists will always change tactics the next time and the tax payers will have wasted billions in the technology. Lets face it, terrorism has existed many, many years before 9/11, 3/11, 7/11, etc... These acts would have happened later if it had not happened on those dates. Something was lost in the past in the past 10-20 years. Something has fueled this hate of the west at some point. All sides need a dialog to be able to communicate in a diplomatic level. Each side has it's own political, financial, or alternate agenda. But without a common dialog, no side is a step closer to a common goal. The senseless murder of civilians can not continue. If my plead isn't enough, have a look at a dead Lebanese 3yr old child held upside down with it's digestive system hanging out of him due to a "precision" bombing. A certain president does not help by playing "score keeper" between two opposing forces. Antagonistic comments at a press conference just furthers my disbelief of the current administration. We need more women world leaders. That doesn't count C. Rice. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-166235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 I once believed that we are our country's future. I'm approaching my middle ages and it sure doesn't feel like I can make any difference. No matter how much technology advances to try to catch terrorists and extemists, that deterrent will never win. You can invent a 100% effective chemical sniffer, you can racial profile all you want, you can snap pics from space, and you can have a million spies all over the world. The end result of all these put together is not even 70% effective. Terrorists will always change tactics the next time and the tax payers will have wasted billions in the technology. Lets face it, terrorism has existed many, many years before 9/11, 3/11, 7/11, etc... These acts would have happened later if it had not happened on those dates. Something was lost in the past in the past 10-20 years. Something has fueled this hate of the west at some point. All sides need a dialog to be able to communicate in a diplomatic level. Each side has it's own political, financial, or alternate agenda. But without a common dialog, no side is a step closer to a common goal. The senseless murder of civilians can not continue. If my plead isn't enough, have a look at a dead Lebanese 3yr old child held upside down with it's digestive system hanging out of him due to a "precision" bombing. A certain president does not help by playing "score keeper" between two opposing forces. Antagonistic comments at a press conference just furthers my disbelief of the current administration. We need more women world leaders. That doesn't count C. Rice. Or hillary, for some reason...I just dont trust her...(and im pretty liberal) I have no problem with woman leaders though, no problems whatsoever Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-166635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Or hillary, for some reason...I just dont trust her...(and im pretty liberal) Finally, something Killbot and I can agree on. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-166883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Well don't be surprised if you see her on the 2008 ballot Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-167014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Well don't be surprised if you see her on the 2008 ballot smile.gif Lol, you're probably right. I wonder who the Republicans will put on the ballot... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-167028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 I hope its john mckain, he seems to be the republican with the most going for him, id totally vote for him, because he strikes me as an honest man, and thats more important to me than party lines Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-167037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat69410 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I hope its john mckain, he seems to be the republican with the most going for him, id totally vote for him, because he strikes me as an honest man, and thats more important to me than party lines I wouldn't mind him, he's a very honest guy and I think he's a very strong man capable of leading a country. Although, I would like to get a firmer understanding of his views on some of the issues available before I would support him. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-167073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I could care less if they were Reps or Dems. What I'm hoping for the next candidates are stronger knowledge and background in foreign policies, deeper understanding of foreign cultures and religion, and ones who know how to communicate there actions though words. More importantly, a level headed candidate that knows how to solve issues in the home front without excluding any demographic areas. It's a dream, but we all have them Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-167100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 i would take a dangerous freedom then a controlled safe society. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-567427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I'd like to keep the right to be blown up in a terrorist attack. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-567450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal swimmer Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 I'd like the right to my rights. I agree that we should have strong military and intelligence arms of our government, but that is no reason to take away our rights. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-567476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Another thread brought back from the dead. Soundless.. this is called necroposting & frowned upon.. please don't... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-567480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 sorry, i searched for religion and got off track. and this debate is still relevant, have you gone to the airport recently? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-567495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apowerr Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 sorry, i searched for religion and got off track. and this debate is still relevant, have you gone to the airport recently? Although the government is involved, one must remember that a lot of airports are private. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-568264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soündless Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 they are subject to certain government enforced standards tho Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-570539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheSavage Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Just read the Constitution. It provides both freedom, and security. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/24251-freedom-vs-security/page/3/#findComment-582836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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