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What do you think about president Bush?

killbot1000

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How good of a president is Bush?  

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killbot1000
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I think critisizing the media is overused, honestly...

 

Its an overused excuse in my opinion for news you dont really want to hear, so you make the news the opposite, and blame it on the media.

 

Sure the media is f***ed up, but not that f***ed up...

 

Who ever said liberal is bad? Conservative news is basically tooting the horn of the country of origin (propoganda) so whats wrong with a little liberalness.

 

Also, who owns the news companies? I dont think its liberals, just my take on it anyway.

gwprod12
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I never said that 500 WMDs hadnt been found. I said I hadnt heard that they had.

 

The source looks genuine.

 

"Biased" news is such a stupid thing, because people act like news agencies have some reason to blatantly lie about things. Neither the washington post nor fox news is going to make up lies to feed to their audiences. So let's all stop the "well, it's a liberal/conservative news outlet, so I refuse to listen!" bs.

rogabean
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I voted for him the first time.

 

why? Al Gore.

 

I voted for him the second time.

 

why? John Kerry (and because you don't change horsemen in the middle of the apocalypse)

 

I can not say I agree with everything he has said or done, but I do support some of his ideas.

 

I'm one of those Republicans who try to stay distanced from Bush most of the time.

 

I'm a midline conservative.

 

I'm also a Federalist.

 

But even now when handed the choices of Gore, Kerry or Bush... my vote would still go to Bush.

 

It's a lesser of the evils in my book.. and in the end that's all American politics really is.

aberracus
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Im not american, i am an outsider, but bush deserves less than a 1, really, im posting here some images of whats happening right now on Lebano, things that Bush is supporting, that all american are supporting, if you can handle your conciense after that go ahead and download it, if you dont want to loss time in overseas bussiness just dont download it, but please next time, consider that you are not voting only for an american president, you are voting for one of the most important presidents in the world, with absolute influence around the globe, so if you dont want to know about whats happening elsewhere please don't vote.

Israeli_Atrocities.zip

james2mart
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aberracus. Lots of these photos look old. Sure, a picture is worth a thousand words, but if we don't know when the picture was taken, where the picture was taken, or what was going on when the picture was taken, there is no way to determine exactly what words the picture is saying. Sure, those pictures are extremely brutal, and I have no doubt that stuff like that is happening. But Israel is fighting back, because if they don't then they submit to terrorism.

 

OK Seriously. How can you defend lebanon? Hezbollah is camped out in school basements for crying out loud. How can Israeli troops minimize civilian casualties if Hezbollah dresses like them and hides amidst them? Israel sends warnings about incoming missiles and rockets. This is well-reported in the news.

Eric C
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Dubya's forign policy, and now as we are starting to see the reprucussions domestic policy as well, was horrific right from the start. Iraq is spiriling towards civil war with no end in sight, his administration has not addressed environmental issues one iota, they let a major US city fall off the map (New Orleans), and I think the US deficit speaks for iteself.

 

But George is not the only one to blame. It's the whole neocon / corporate entity (Cheny, Wolfowitz, Exxon Mobile, Halliburton, and the like) that has crippled the world.

 

The elections this fall will be crucial to progess.

aberracus
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The phtos are new, its what is happening right now, any form of defense of those acts are impensable for me, obviously you "think diferent".

 

Im not defending lebanon, im defending the poor father trying to help his son with his own body, just a poor civilian, do you think killing ppl in the street without a proper judgement is fighting terrorim? Do you think those poor babys were terrorists?, im sure they are now, THATS the main problem really. Pictures talk, this is just brutal, after what Jews sufered in WWII one can wonder, what do they learn? to be more brutal than your brutal agressor? Civiling killing cant be justified by any means, the day you start justifing is the day you start lossing your humanity.. But that is my poin of view.

 

Sorry for my bad english ppl.

wildcat69410
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The phtos are new, its what is happening right now, any form of defense of those acts are impensable for me, obviously you "think diferent".

 

Im not defending lebanon, im defending the poor father trying to help his son with his own body, just a poor civilian, do you think killing ppl in the street without a proper judgement is fighting terrorim? Do you think those poor babys were terrorists?, im sure they are now, THATS the main problem really. Pictures talk, this is just brutal, after what Jews sufered in WWII one can wonder, what do they learn? to be more brutal than your brutal agressor? Civiling killing cant be justified by any means, the day you start justifing is the day you start lossing your humanity.. But that is my poin of view.

 

Sorry for my bad english ppl.

 

If they learned anything from WWII it's that they can't allow another nation, or in this case a group of terroists, to dominate how they live. They learned that if they want protection from the people that want them dead, they're going to have to do it themselves. It's not Israel's fault that Hezbollah are a bunch of cowards and use innocent civilians as body shields. I'm glad that Bush supports it, if no other Nation is willing to help Israel defend itself, I don't see why they can't defend themselves.

 

Remember, Hezbollah were originally the agressors here, now they're just getting a taste of their own medicine.

u1m2
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I just wonder how many more generations of israelis will be fooled by WW2 propaganda to justify criminal violence towards another nation. It's always like 'if you cave in now, it will be con camps all over again', 'everybody wants the jews dead' or some other bs propaganda along these lines to justify their actions.

 

I think the israelis hid behind the crimes of the nazis to make up unacceptable excuses for their criminal behavior towards the lebanese and the palestinians in the past. Grow up will you, stop wining about genocide every time you fxxk up !!! We had enough bloodshed in the middle-east because of your insecurity and cowardness. Anybody who thinks that the military actions help israel in any cause should think about it again imo.

wildcat69410
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Anybody who thinks that the military actions help israel in any cause should think about it again imo.

 

And ignoring Hezbollah and letting them abduct and kill civilians is helping Israel how?

 

I don't think that WWII genocide should justify unprovoked warfare. But when Israel is attacked, it has every right to defend itself. Hezbollah won't respond to negotiations diplomatically, and in my opinion don't deserve to be treated like any other nation. Military actions are never a positive ordeal to go through, and are always a last resort.

 

However, in the long run, I believe that Israel will end up better off eliminating Hezbollah, by whatever means necessary.

aberracus
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Just 1 download.... so really nobody gives a damn... what happened with American old ideals? freedom, justice, respect, forgoten under the patriot law?

 

Please if ayone is gona say anything about any of my posts at least do yourself a favor and download the file, its just a bunch of photos of actual things happening in lebanon, compiled by an american btw.

 

Really americans dont know about terrorism, i live in a country in wich in the fight with terrorism died more than 140,000 ppl from all sides, civilians, governmnt and terrorists, but as usual the most ppl dying were inocent bystanders.

 

Hezbola launches rockets and kidnaped 2 soldiers, they are terrorists its expected from them, to do that, they are insane ppl attacking inocent ppl for ideals, but i can expect that from terrorists, what are the israelis doing ? terrorism too, attacking a neiborgh country attacking civilian residenceskilling whatever, cause THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS... You know Hitler said so.. Most tyrans said so. If you can say in concience that you think everything is ok killing babbys and childrens and inocents, i cant say a word really wich would change a thing what do you think, this is something one must KNOW, one must FEEL, terrorism isnt the worst of the world, the worst is forgeting your own humanity, losing your ethic, losing your rights, thats worse.

wildcat69410
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Hezbola launches rockets and kidnaped 2 soldiers, they are terrorists its expected from them

 

So what if it's expected from them, it doesn't make it any better. The problem is is that we're looking at it from two points of view. From the Lebanese point of view, innocent bystanders are getting killed. From the Israeli point of view, they are defending their homeland from further terrorist assault. The Israeli people have a right to defend themselves from crazy insane terrorists. I don't exactly see Hezbollah's right to attack Israel and INTENTIONALLY kill innocent people. At least Israel is trying to attack military targets and destroy the terrorists, Hezbollah is firing rockets not at military positions, but Israeli suburbs. You wanna talk about terrorism and innocent civilian killings, just look at that.

 

Yea well good luck with that but don't be too hopeful considering how hezbollah has gotten stronger after every assault from israel.

 

How exactly have they gotten stronger? Sure they fire more rockets every day, but with Israel's Ground Invasion how long do you think that'll last? Military experts estimate that Israel will have completed their ground campaign within a month. After that, we'll see how many rockets Hezbollah has left, not that'll matter when nobody's there to fire them.

u1m2
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How exactly have they gotten stronger? Sure they fire more rockets every day, but with Israel's Ground Invasion how long do you think that'll last? Military experts estimate that Israel will have completed their ground campaign within a month. After that, we'll see how many rockets Hezbollah has left, not that'll matter when nobody's there to fire them.

 

They are getting stronger politically, socially and financially. All this violence caused by the israelis in only increasing people's support for hezbollah incase you haven't noticed they won the last elections and gaining popularity not just among their citizens but among the muslim nations throughout the middle-east. There is no way on earth that israelis can eradicate hezbollah because it is not just funded, populated and organized from lebanon but from other countries as well such as syria and everybody knows that israel hasn't got the guts to strike anywhere on syrian soil because they're terrified of iran's possible response. So all the israeli government doing now is trying to show terrified jews of israel that they are not weak. It's a show of internal power because it's the only way that the governments of israel know how to win elections, by being aggressive in military operations to ensure their voters of their power so they can be re-elected.

wildcat69410
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They are getting stronger politically, socially and financially. All this violence caused by the israelis in only increasing people's support for hezbollah incase you haven't noticed they won the last elections and gaining popularity not just among their citizens but among the muslim nations throughout the middle-east. There is no way on earth that israelis can eradicate hezbollah because it is not just funded, populated and organized from lebanon but from other countries as well such as syria and everybody knows that israel hasn't got the guts to strike anywhere on syrian soil because they're terrified of iran's possible response. So all the israeli government doing now is trying to show terrified jews of israel that they are not weak. It's a show of internal power because it's the only way that the governments of israel know how to win elections, by being aggressive in military operations to ensure their voters of their power so they can be re-elected.

 

Hezbollah may be getting stronger on a local scale, receiving help from local muslim countries, but they are still getting eradicated. Even if we were to look at a hypothetical situation where another Nation directly interfered and fought with Hezbollah, it would be political suicide by that country. Israel has strong ties with some of the Western Powers including the United States. Although I doubt that at our current wartime state we would be interested in waging another war with Iran or Syria.

 

Israel will be able to eradicate Hezbollah, if even only temporarily. You could be right, it could be a show of power, but it sure isn't an internal one. Israel has a potent military force, that if threatened, is as dangerous as any. I don't see Israel striking Syria anytime soon in the nearby future, but if Syria or any other country for that matter, were to step in, I don't think that Israel would be that hesitant of fighting them too.

 

Plus, look at this from the other Nations' perspective. If they are indeed funding Hezbollah, how much more money would they be willing to put into it if Hezbollah is beaten. Israel has a lot of experience dealing with terrorists since it became a nation after WWII. Eventually, Hezbollah will be beaten imo.

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