Playa Hatah Mel Gibson

[cromas]

I'm no bible expert but from what i understood that would seem to make no sense. Jesus was sent to the Jews. many quoted on the bible says this (too long to find them now). And he was treated badly by them.

 

Not just badly... his crucifiction was a result of them.

Now surely if this is true (which i believe all or most christians to think so) then Christians should hate (and yes hate) the Jews since it was because of the Jews their Lord and Savoir suffered so much and was eventually killed by the Romans.

 

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As i've said i don't know much about this so please correct me if i'm wrong.

Jesus was, in fact, a Jew. His human parents were Jewish, his father a descendant of David, one of the most revered kings of Jewish history. Jesus said he was sent to the Jews first, but with the intention of reaching everyone through the Jews. This was a continuation of a theme that ran (or was supposed to run) throughout the whole Old Testament: God gave blessing to the Jewish people in order to bless the rest of the world. (You can read Genesis for more on this, God blesses Abraham "to be a blessing to all nations.") They managed to screw it up a lot, but I think that's more related to being human than being Jewish. (You can read about America for more on this idea of screwing it up a lot.)

 

Much of the New Testament is stories and letters from the early church that grew after Jesus left. The idea of associating with Gentiles (non-Jews) was completely foreign and unthinkable to the Jews of that time, so as many of them became Christians, there were sharp divisions and conflicts within the churches between the Jews and the Gentiles. In many of the letters, this way of thinking is rebuked, saying that Jesus' followers are united, so that divisions between groups of people, be they Jew/Gentile, Male/Female, or Slave/Master, should no longer be the foundation of their relationships. The new foundation should be their faith in Christ.

 

H'anyway, that's a Reader's Digest version, but I hope that explains a little. Peace.

[A Nonny Moose]

Blacks? HAHA. Blacks had to fight for their rights from the world (western world) or have you forgotten that? They were not even considered 'men'. They were not handed their freedom as the Jews were. Yes the Jews suffered which is a terrible thing... but not like the blacks who had to go through centuries of tortures and killings. Hitler considered the Jews less-human. The whole world considered Blacks less-human.

 

PS: A Nonny Moose, don't know what it was but gwprod12's amen is not a good sign.

 

Black people cannot claim the title of "Most Oppressed Minority." That one falls to the Jews, who have this chronic habit of facing genocide from Egyptians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, and nearly everyone else. For a group that's supposed to be God's People, God certainly isn't treating them right. Blacks have never faced genocide like this, and they certainly haven't been victims of genocidal attempts for more than 3,000 years.

 

and my self-censored comment was censored before I even posted it. I removed it and then hit reply, so I have no idea why gwprod is cheering for.

[yossicl]

Black people cannot claim the title of "Most Oppressed Minority." That one falls to the Jews, who have this chronic habit of facing genocide from Egyptians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, and nearly everyone else. For a group that's supposed to be God's People, God certainly isn't treating them right. Blacks have never faced genocide like this, and they certainly haven't been victims of genocidal attempts for more than 3,000 years.

 

and my self-censored comment was censored before I even posted it. I removed it and then hit reply, so I have no idea why gwprod is cheering for.

If you ever read the bible you should know that God warn the Jews to go on his commandment (Deuteronomy 28,1 and 28,15).

But also he also said that he will never leave them (Deuteronomy 31,7).

[mifki]

I think teh point that nooney mouse was trying to make, was that god doesnt seem to "love" the jews very much.

[gwprod12]

Not to say that Black people werent persecuted and enslaved in the past, but Black slavery (in the americas) only lasted 400 years. The jews have been mistreated by everyone for several thousand years.

[Mebster]

In my work place there are twenty six Muslims people (two of them are my best friends) and none of them think that America cuddling Jews.

America is doing what she is thinking is the best for the American peoples.

Are they american? If so, i expect them not to. If you're all not, then what's wrong with your media?

Dude America does cuddle Jews. I honestly wouldn't normally care at all. Cuddle them all you want. It's just that they cuddle ONLY Jews. (LOL - cuddle) I'm not sure why you don't see this.

I'm from the UK and i 'feel' (can't be 100% sure cz i haven't asked all) that most people here and the remainder of the world agrees. And remember UK is a close ally of the US. but we still think this.

Take the situation of Israel VS Lebanon & Palestine... the entire world wants a ceasefire... all except peace loving America.

But why?................ Because Israel doesn't want one.

 

Even Kiko see's it. Once again he's foreign too.

Well, what ever happened to free speech i wonder. Let mel gibson say whatever he wants, i agree with him in some ways. America is "kissing" israels arse in many ways. i don hate jews, i just dont like them for many reasons

 

Jesus was, in fact, a Jew. His human parents were Jewish, his father a descendant of David, one of the most revered kings of Jewish history. Jesus said he was sent to the Jews first, but with the intention of reaching everyone through the Jews.

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H'anyway, that's a Reader's Digest version, but I hope that explains a little. Peace.

I wasn't arguing that he wasn't a Jew. Was just wonder why is America (A mainly Christian country but more importantly with a Christian Ruler) so Jew (too the extreme). I don't understand that. Max had an interesting thought but like i said earlier, i'm not fully sure about that. But thanks for the lesion. It is good knowing anyway.

 

Black people cannot claim the title of "Most Oppressed Minority." That one falls to the Jews, who have this chronic habit of facing genocide from Egyptians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, and nearly everyone else. For a group that's supposed to be God's People, God certainly isn't treating them right. Blacks have never faced genocide like this, and they certainly haven't been victims of genocidal attempts for more than 3,000 years.

 

and my self-censored comment was censored before I even posted it. I removed it and then hit reply, so I have no idea why gwprod is cheering for.

["and my self-censored comment was censored before I even posted it. I removed it and then hit reply, so I have no idea why gwprod is cheering for" - Just too

But wanted to thank you anyway for deciding to taking it off... or not adding it...

"For a group that's supposed to be God's People, God certainly isn't treating them right." - Lets not get started on Gods People. But i have wondered that myself more than a few times.]

 

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Jews here. They suffered. We all know that. But the way i see it, they suffer for a while and then are ok again, then suffer again.... ok again.... Blacks suffered continiously for a very long period. Ok it might not have been genocide but i'm sure over the years... more blacks died than Jews. They were treated less than human by the world. Jews.... a few men (their states).

 

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And one more thing that gets me kinda pissed to be honest.

We all shout FREEDOME OF SPEECH! FREEDOME OF SPEECH!

So exactly why am i not allowed to say the 'HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED'???

 

I was never there. I know no one that was ever there. I was never tought it in school (Hitla yes but not holocaust). So why am i forbidden from saying 'I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENED'.... or 'I'M NOT SURE IF IT DID'.

And if that 'stupid' law is there, then why don't we have another to say you can't say 'SLAVER DIDN'T EXIST'.

That's only fair right???

 

Once again. Some serious single sided laws and views leaning favourly towars the Jews and breaching on my Freedome of Expression.

(Note: This is not about if it happened because I know that so don't take the argument there. It's about the principle)

[cromas]

We all shout FREEDOME OF SPEECH! FREEDOME OF SPEECH!

So exactly why am i not allowed to say the 'HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED'???

I'm not taking one side or another here, but freedom of speech was not created so anyone could say whatever the eff they want anytime they want to -- it was created as a protection, so that citizens would be free to criticize their government (or, in the minds of the American founders, the King) without fear of a visit from the Gestapo or equivalent.

[MacSimizeDenver]

In Germany, as far as i know, Gibson could go to jail for a maximum of 3 years for what he said to the policeman.

 

I don't have a problem with any minority - most of my friends are muslims, followed by jews. I don't know many christians.

But I respect any of them..ANY! That's what people should do...may be it's so easy for me to respect everyone because I'm an atheist and don't believe in any God.

 

Here in Senegal, a country with 90% muslims, there's no problem to be christian or even jew. Only people here who have problems with jews are Arabs (Lebanese trademan). But unfortunately Senegal isn't all over the world...sorry for the rest, but i live in a very modern society for the third world

[yossicl]

And one more thing that gets me kinda pissed to be honest.

We all shout FREEDOME OF SPEECH! FREEDOME OF SPEECH!

So exactly why am i not allowed to say the 'HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED'???

 

I was never there. I know no one that was ever there. I was never tought it in school (Hitla yes but not holocaust). So why am i forbidden from saying 'I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENED'.... or 'I'M NOT SURE IF IT DID'.

And if that 'stupid' law is there, then why don't we have another to say you can't say 'SLAVER DIDN'T EXIST'.

That's only fair right???

You can say the same thing on Mohammad the prophet and Islam, You wasn’t there either when Islam began and you never saw Mohammad (and probably there is no living human that saw him), how can you say that it wasn’t a fable?

 

 

Was just wonder why is America (A mainly Christian country but more importantly with a Christian Ruler) so Jew (too the extreme). I don't understand that. Max had an interesting thought but like i said earlier, i'm not fully sure about that. But thanks for the lesion. It is good knowing anyway.

Maybe because they have mindedness ability knowing who the evil is and who is not...

 

If God doesn’t love the Jews, How it happened that after more then 60 years of miracle war between Israel and Arabs, Israel is still exist with highest technology, the best scientist in world, best doctors, best agriculture development (that even most of the Arabs countries buy from them under the table of course) But most of the Arabs nations are so behind (in spite they have a lot of money) ?

 

Btw, if you didn't noticed I’m from The land of milk & honey - Jerusalem, Israel.

So my Muslim’s friends aren’t American’s citizen - They are doctors in Hadassah University Hospital in Jerusalem's Ein Kerem and they are Israel's citizen.

[MacSimizeDenver]

After Halakha i would be jewish, but i never learned any traditions...instead i learned a lot from other religions which wasn't very difficult. Being white in western Africa isn't easy, being jewish is easy...people here (if they aren't arabs) doesn't have problems with jews.

 

Why this is so? Well, you should read this article about jewish roots in Africa: http://www.kulanu.org/africa/africa2.html

 

One short cut out:

"A related story about surviving memories of Jewish roots in West Africa was told to me around 1976 by former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres. He had just returned from a meeting of the Socialist International, during which he had met with then president Leopold Senghor of Senegal. In the course of their discussion about the possibility of normalizing Senegalese-Israeli relations, Senghor had told him that he too had Jewish ancestors. At that time we both smiled somewhat incredulously. Yet, indeed, there are a number of historical records of small Jewish kingdoms and tribal groups known as Beni Israel that were part of the Wolof and Mandinge communities. These existed in Senegal from the early Middle Ages up to the 18th century, when they were forced to convert to Islam. Some of these claimed to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, the traditional tribe of Jewish gold and metal artisans, who are also said to have built the "Golden Calf".

 

Jewish presence is said to have been introduced into Senegal, Mauritania and numerous other West African countries south of the Sahara in part through the migration of Jewish Berber groups and later through some exiles who had been expelled from Spain, had first settled in North Africa, and had then crossed the Atlas mountains. Other even earlier arrivals are said to have come from Cyrenaica (now part of Libya, Egypt, the Sudan and Ethiopia), having crossed the Sahara to West Africa and eventually also moved further south.

 

In addition to the Jewish tribal groups in Senegal who claim to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, the Ethiopian Jews also trace their ancestry to the tribe of Dan. Some of these transmigrants established communities in such still renowned places as Gao, Timbuktu (where UNESCO still maintains notable archives containing records of its old Jewish community), Bamako, Agadez, Kano and Ibadan. A notable number of Berber and African nomad tribal groups joined up with the Jewish communal groups trying to resist aggressiqve Arab Islamic efforts or as bulwark against Christian proselytizing, sometimes going so far as to convert to Judaism. Notable among these were some Tuareg, Peul and Ibadiya groups. "

[killbot1000]

cant we all just get along? heheh

[DrJägermeister]

I think he only said this only because he was drunk. Alc can make you a little bit agressiv. If you are drunken and have a problem with someone, you will begin to insult him in order to provocate him. In this case you don´t take care if what you are saying is political correct, you only wants to hurt your enemy even if what you have said is not true (some exemples: son of a {censored}, I´ll kill you, {censored} and many others). In some cases this ends really in a fight.

Being agressiv and drunken is not an excuse for Mel Gibson but such situations can happen to everyone, it should not happen too often. If someone is always agressiv when he´s drunk she should not drink at all.

[Conroe Mac]

Gibson is an anti-Jewish. Not exactly shocking news. Regardless, his movies are lousy. No change in behavior for me.

[Mebster]

such situations can happen to everyone

Your avatar says it all. Sounds like you're speaking from personal experience.

Also maybe not all of us. Many can control their drinking.

 

Regardless, his movies are lousy. No change in behavior for me.

BRAVEHEART WAS WICKED! (back then)

[telmac5]

Comedian and Rabbi Jackie Mason on Fox News : about Mel Gibson

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE

 

Born in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, Jackie Mason was raised on the Lower East Side of Manhattan surrounded by rabbis. His father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and great, great-grandfather were all rabbis, as are his three brothers. No surprise that at age 25, Jackie Mason was ordained a rabbi. Three years later, he quit his job in a synagogue to become a comedian because, as he says, "Somebody in the family had to make a living." - from his official biography