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[Gringo Vermelho]

And official USB Lion install key of apple is not available outside US.

Yeah but the App Store is, and Lion is not expensive. It's very easy to go 100% legit now, much easier than it ever was.

Using a Snow Leopard distro (or whatever you can get your hands on) as base so that you can buy Lion from the App Store and then install it is not hurting anyone.

(That's my personal opinion, not the "official" opinion of InsanelyMac (as far as I know)).

Like others here, I also believe that if Apple wanted to kill us off, they could do so anytime. But I don't believe they are purposefully "giving us freebies" even if it might seem that way, I doubt that the people who make strategic decisions are sitting at the table saying "oh yeah we have to make it easier for the Hackintosh people, but not too easy, do this and that but not this".

[Alessandro17]

Since retail DVD media are not available for OSX Lion, those who are new to hackintosh resort to pirated distros or pirated USB install media as they do not wish to spend on snow leopard just for the sake of Lion update. I think this would be the same case with Mountain Lion in a month.

And official USB Lion install key of apple is not available outside US.

It is extremely easy to create an install DVD from the Lion installer you buy from the App Store: http://lifehacker.co...-or-flash-drive

[indiandragon]

But, to download Lion App from App Store they need Snow leopard. Which could be avoided if a stand alone install media is available, so that first time hackintosh builders can do a retail install using a boot cd.

Using a Snow Leopard distro (or whatever you can get your hands on) as base so that you can buy Lion from the App Store and then install it is not hurting anyone.

(That's my personal opinion, not the "official" opinion of InsanelyMac (as far as I know)).

Yes of course , for those who had been running snow leopard it was much easier to install genuine Lion from App store. But for those who don't have Snow leopard it is tough. Especially if we advocate retail install and against pirated distro's and OSX dvds/app . I personally recommend retail install only.

[Alessandro17]

Using a Snow Leopard distro (or whatever you can get your hands on) as base so that you can buy Lion from the App Store and then install it is not hurting anyone.

Personally I agree. If you use whatever method you can to install Snow Leopard or Lion, aiming at buying Lion, you can't be that wrong. Everything can be done in a few hours. Nobody would take you to court for that.

[Gringo Vermelho]

Indiandragon:

If you think it's too hard, tough titty for you, cry me a river, nigga please etc etc. Consider a different hobby!
Anyone who has been here for several years will agree that installing retail OS X on a compatible PC has never been as easy as it is now.

Remember that we're doing something that's not supposed to be done in the first place. Of course you will have to jump through a few hoops.

Apple makes their profit on hardware, at 30$ their OS is practically free, compared to Microsoft Windows.
They want you to buy a Mac, they don't want you to buy their OS and install it on a PC.

And let me clarify, retail is always preferred (for a number of reasons, not just the moral ones) but I'm not against distros as a learning experience or stepping stone to get to retail OS X.

[indiandragon]

Indiandragon:

If you think it's too hard, tough titty for you, cry me a river, {censored} please etc etc. Consider a different hobby!

I am a hackintosher since OSX Tiger, So I guess I kinda like this hobby

During those days we had to depend on distro's. But with snow leopard , doing a retail install from scratch was very impressive.

Remember that we're doing something that's not supposed to be done in the first place. Of course you will have to jump through a few hoops.

And let me clarify, retail is always preferred (for a number of reasons, not just the moral ones) but I'm not against distros as a learning experience or stepping stone to get to retail OS X.

Absolutely .

[TH3L4UGH1NGM4N]

@ GV I beg to differ sir, I really think those corporate heads do think of us wonderful people

@ Indiandragon Apple is not gonna support us before their Mac community we aren't a main focus so them killing it off they have no reason to care because they hold no obligations to us.

[eep357]

The new MBP just came out and the gtx 680 magically begins to work and you talk about a possible end for the Hackintosh scene? I think they secretly give us freebies like this so we can fuel the company in a more secretive way. Trust me if a billion dollar company wanted to get rid of us they would faster than a magic mouse, magic trackpad, or magic eraser ever could.

I think a free magic eraser would be great, those work really good for cleaning the kitchen counter tops Never thought about using one to clean my magic trackpad or keyboard though, that could result in some magic awesomeness.

[eep357]

As for buying Lion from the app store for $29, paying $99 for a developer account gets you a legit Appstore download of each OS release along with the $59 server editions of each one, pre-release versions of OS's and other pre-release software along with other developer tools and software not available otherwise. An exceptional value if you have use for more than just 1 $29 or $20 OS upgrade per year. As a side note, on real mac, using the system restore feature requires apple ID and password to verify appstore purchase version of the OS before it will complete the restore(but not till after it spends 3 hours downloading it first)

[Zaap]

I heard this same silly notion when the iPad first came out. (Yeah, I wasn't sure what it had to do with anything either.)

"OMG! The Hackintosh is dead because you can't build an iPad!" Huh? Why would I want to build an iPad and what has that got to do with my desktop Hack anyway?

Now I guess it's going to be "The Hackintosh is dead because every single Mac user will instantly have a brand new top of the line MacBook with retina display and your dual monitor Hackintosh with full sized graphic card will be obsolete overnight!" Yes, of course, that's EXACTLY what will happen.

Why would it make sense that Apple could even if they wanted to drop support for 100% of the existing Mac user base to the point where it would affect me building a Hackintosh? It's awesome that Apple does things first a lot of times, but by the time it even remotely approaches enough people using retina display Macs to drop support for current applications using current resolutions, it'll be the industry standard and the Hackintosh will have moved on to match. Probably (following the usual pattern) with a much greater choice of hardware, for less money.

The new MacBook is awesome, but let's not get carried away It'll take years before even a fraction of Apple's user base has this kind of hardware and like I said, by then everyone else will likely have followed suit.

Also as for this "Apple could kill Hackintoshing anytime they wanted' stuff- the dirty little secret is that Apple can only do what they've been doing, placing restrictions on the OSX install media they sell to only officially work on their own hardware. Once that's been bypassed by OSx86 install methods, there's nothing else they can do. It's a myth that they could throw some magically kill switch and 'kill everybody's hack'. The truth is,'Apple hardware' isn't magical. It's really just the same stuff we're all using, with custom motherboards in a package designed by Apple. Any dreamed-of kill switch would kill most real Macs as well!

And even though they don't encourage Hackintoshing, Apple knows damne well they make a lot of money off of it, and definitely leverages the installed base as OSX users. They'd be insane not to, there's no upshot for them in not wanting to show they have as many users as they actually do. Of course they'd rather everyone buy iMacs and Minis, but the reality is, they also like selling the OS at $30 a pop (and any fool doing simple accounting of the bottom line could figure out they're selling copies beyond what lines up with the number of compatible Macs sold) and they're more than happy to sell software/peripherals/iPhones/iPads and eventually MacBooks etc. once people start to like OSX. Even if it was possible, Apple's not really interested in shutting down OSx86, or else they'd move selling OSX to a serial-only system tied to only the hardware they sell.

[Mikethebike]

Probably only hackintoshs will survive, as I've a very bad feeling about Apple's attitude...

[Alessandro17]

How can the hackintosh scene survive without Apple? Who is going to make OS X?

[indiandragon]

Probably only hackintoshs will survive, as I've a very bad feeling about Apple's attitude...

Lol why ? You got an early look at the new iPhone ?

[Mikethebike]

@Alessandro: Being a Apple noob, I guess only the desktop is Apple proprietary? Hence even more stunned, thinking about the dozen Linux desktops, that there's no compatible replacement.

Honestly, a company that sues because of rounded corners has no more right to survive.
That's so insane, that I hope Samsung will be able to block overpriced Iphone 5.

[Rampage Dev]

If apple secretly want's to offer freebies, then according to me they should have stuck to DVD install media for Lion though DVD drives are not available in current generation of Mac's. Since retail DVD media are not available for OSX Lion, those who are new to hackintosh resort to pirated distros or pirated USB install media as they do not wish to spend on snow leopard just for the sake of Lion update. I think this would be the same case with Mountain Lion in a month.

And official USB Lion install key of apple is not available outside US.

My friends just walk into the Apple Store with a 8GB flash drive. Log into the App Store. Download ML then run myHack to create the installer drive. Done.

Or you can use a friends Mac to create the installer drive. But the method above is the best. lol

[Kucksy]

Yeah - then once you're done - buy yourself a 32 Gb flash drive (or 3 in my case) - install snow leopard or lion or mountain lion legitimately each on the 3 flash drives (i have 1 for S/L,1 for Lion and now 1 for M/L including all of my other purchased mac software (and yes I do purcahse all of my mac software legally - being a qualified computer programmer myself I'd feel guilty if i didn't) - Then you have your own personal bootable backup image for restore anytime your computer does manage to crash because of an update issue. (takes just on 1 hour to restore or thereabouts) no mess no fuss

[stellarola]

My friends just walk into the Apple Store with a 8GB flash drive. Log into the App Store. Download ML then run myHack to create the installer drive. Done.

Or you can use a friends Mac to create the installer drive. But the method above is the best. lol

Ha. The Apple employees don't blink an eye?

[Rampage Dev]

Ha. The Apple employees don't blink an eye?

Nope. You just say that your internet is slow at home and they let you do it right there to download the ML app. Then you say you want to restore the image to the flash drive (If the computer has a password) and they enter it.

[PoisonApple666]

Hell....I build 'em just cuz I think it's fun.....keepz me outta other trouble I suppose.

[Biso007]

Hackintoshs are there for 3 reasons:

- One wants to use Mac app for serious matter but can't afford the budget for MBP (providing no piracy here).
- Learning and experimental.
- Why not ?? it's nice to have.

I don't believe anything would affect these reasons except the 1st one if MBP went down in price than a decent laptop.

We know what we are doing and we know it's a hackintosh ... we won't sue Apple coz its OS doesn't give the same experience on our systems

Also, some very high end hackintosh builds (Xeon CPUs with GA-X motherboards and multiple GTX 680 GPUs and 64 GB ram ... etc) don't have equivalent true Macs and such market seems not in Apple's agenda. So, the only solution is custom builds.

I see hackintoshs will survive for a while. I would dare to imagine hackpads in near future, but it takes one CPU maker to dominate the market that would force Apple to use its model then you will see hackpads and hackdriods