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looks like that logic 8.02 is designed for new intel cpus.

i tried to overclock my q6600 up to 3550 mhz (worked stable) but cant get more then 32 tracks.
some {censored} things i found out, and i hope this is a logic bug, not a hack mac problem.

lets begin:
on my macbook pro i can run 18 tracks (both meters of cpu are full loaded, in activity monitor i have 185% cpu use for logic, sounds ok and normal)

same tracks on my hackmac at 3.55 ghz give me only 160% cpu load in activity monitor (quite ok i think)
but now i put more tracks, so in logic the meters got higher and higher... 32 is maximum without stop. when i look now in actity monitor
i see only 245% cpu use from logic.

is that normal? i tested some cpu burn tools and i can fully load all cpus without problems around 370% one application.
but in logic my maximum is 280% ( i got this with my own tests by using some minimoogs ) but more is not possible.

i understand that quad core at same frequenz is not twice as fast then dual core... but at the end i have 2x2,2 ghz vs 4x3,55 ghz. i thought that this can be handle minimum twice performance which means minimum 36 tracks for me. :lol:


It would be interesting to hear which version of OSX you are running. 10.5.3 was a huge improvement for multicore Logic users. 8 core MacPro users that before 10.5.3 had a maximum of around 50 tracks now report up to 70 tracks. So it is not the CPU:s but something about 10.5.3 and Logic that makes a huge improvement. Prior 10.5.3 a Quad 2.66 macPro had the same benchmarkresults as a 2.8 Ghz duo iMac.
I am running Leo4all 10.5.2 myself on a q6600@3.01 Ghz and can only play 25 tracks, as many as a MacPro quad 2.66Ghz at the same OS. If I look at the activity monitor I can see that Logic is only capable to use up to 50 percent of each core which is a shame but I have some reports from 10.5.3 users that indicate that 10.5.3 gives Logic the power to use up to 80 percent of each core which is really good actually. In my case I have some standaloneapps running at the same time as Logic, like BFD2,Kontakt2 and EWQL PLAY engine, so for me the poor multicore usage from Logic prior 10.5.3 is a good feature... leaving CPU headroom for other apps... Of course I will update soon to 10.5.4 but I will wait to see if Eddie (leo4all) comes up with an EASY upgradeway from earlier Leo4all versions first.

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It would be interesting to hear which version of OSX you are running. 10.5.3 was a huge improvement for multicore Logic users. 8 core MacPro users that before 10.5.3 had a maximum of around 50 tracks now report up to 70 tracks. So it is not the CPU:s but something about 10.5.3 and Logic that makes a huge improvement. Prior 10.5.3 a Quad 2.66 macPro had the same benchmarkresults as a 2.8 Ghz duo iMac.
I am running Leo4all 10.5.2 myself on a q6600@3.01 Ghz and can only play 25 tracks, as many as a MacPro quad 2.66Ghz at the same OS. If I look at the activity monitor I can see that Logic is only capable to use up to 50 percent of each core which is a shame but I have some reports from 10.5.3 users that indicate that 10.5.3 gives Logic the power to use up to 80 percent of each core which is really good actually. In my case I have some standaloneapps running at the same time as Logic, like BFD2,Kontakt2 and EWQL PLAY engine, so for me the poor multicore usage from Logic prior 10.5.3 is a good feature... leaving CPU headroom for other apps... Of course I will update soon to 10.5.4 but I will wait to see if Eddie (leo4all) comes up with an EASY upgradeway from earlier Leo4all versions first.


I have just upgraded to 10.5.4 and it seems my performance has dropped. im getting huge CPU spikes in my projects pushing one core into red from about 20% utillisation into the red, on just one core at a time.
My benchmark score has fallen to 31 tracks from 38
Its got to be something with the update as nothiing else has changed. Its very frustrating.
The thing that makes it even stranger is that when I push the AUDIO counter in logic to nearly 100% on all four cores, my Activity monitor only shows 46% cpu usage. Why cant I use the other 54%??? Strange. I didnt do this test when I got 38 tracks playing so I have no idea if there was as much headroom on the CPU from Activity monitots point of view or not,

I have tried ditching PC_EFIv8 for the Chameleon boot loader, replaced all vanilla .kext back from the upgrade including AppleSMBIOS.kext and AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement.kext

No ansers yet.

I might try putting the 10.5.3 kernel back

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It would be interesting to hear which version of OSX you are running. 10.5.3 was a huge improvement for multicore Logic users. 8 core MacPro users that before 10.5.3 had a maximum of around 50 tracks now report up to 70 tracks. So it is not the CPU:s but something about 10.5.3 and Logic that makes a huge improvement. Prior 10.5.3 a Quad 2.66 macPro had the same benchmarkresults as a 2.8 Ghz duo iMac.
I am running Leo4all 10.5.2 myself on a q6600@3.01 Ghz and can only play 25 tracks, as many as a MacPro quad 2.66Ghz at the same OS. If I look at the activity monitor I can see that Logic is only capable to use up to 50 percent of each core which is a shame but I have some reports from 10.5.3 users that indicate that 10.5.3 gives Logic the power to use up to 80 percent of each core which is really good actually. In my case I have some standaloneapps running at the same time as Logic, like BFD2,Kontakt2 and EWQL PLAY engine, so for me the poor multicore usage from Logic prior 10.5.3 is a good feature... leaving CPU headroom for other apps... Of course I will update soon to 10.5.4 but I will wait to see if Eddie (leo4all) comes up with an EASY upgradeway from earlier Leo4all versions first.


Well...after upgrading to 10.5.3 (using JaS Combo updater) I ran the benchmarktest again and I only managed to run 25 tracks ( maybe 2-3 more tracks than in 10.5.2 ) and the activity monitor only reported logic using 175% of the CPU before overload in Logic...( 400% is maximum with a quad CPU) showing that Logic has a looooong way to go before the term "multicore optimized" could be used...
It would be really interesting to hear some results from real Quad MacPro users. it is kind of strange that Logic is better optimized for 8 core than quad core computers...

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YES !!!! After updating to 10.5.4 using the Apple delta update and installing modbin 9.4.0 kernel before restarting I can now play 31 tracks in Logic 8, a HUGE improvement compared to the 22 tracks with 10.5.2. The same great improvement in a similar test in Logic 7.

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Hey FC this is BS, oh man first of all upgrading to 10.5.4 broke my 10.5.3 retail install but I managed to fix it. Still the same amount of tracks though so no succes story here :) . Seems the puter runs a little better though but it could be me just imagining things. Ill take a look at the OC thing dont know nothing about it and I dont know if I really need more cpu power since Im basicly a wav guy but if I figure it out Ill give it a shot.

I made sure to install the new mach_kernel and the right system.kext but it seems it made now diffrence in my case. Got my USb back though. Maby I should try the modbin kernel where did you get it.

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Wow, what's with the crappy performance nowadays? My old Athlon X2 system can do a lot more with XP + Nuendo. And I use quality plugins, not the built in ones. How does Cubase or Nuendo compare to Logic on a quad core Leopard system?

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Uhmm so you are able to run the Logic benchmark test mentioned in the first post on your Windows system with Cubase/Nuendo, congrats then.... :(
I don't doubt I'm able to playback way over 100 audio tracks with logic8 or cubase for that matter.... That is just not as interesting as running tracks with a heavy reverb plugin :-P

However I run Cubase4 on my Hackintosh system and did a little test a while ago with the Albino3 synth. Just a 4 note chord over 1 bar, same buffer settings etc.. Cubase use VST and Logic8 AU so it's not exactly the same setup but as close as it gets I think.
I was able to do 10 more stero tracks within Cubase4 compared to Logic8. Or 40 more notes if you like.
I believe it was about 30 Albino3 steroe tracks with logic and 40 in Cubase....

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Ah, I thought you were talking about tracks in general. :P Sorry.

I tried Logic 8 on my current setup and it was a lot hungrier than Nuendo in XP. I also thought the editing was clumsy (even though I was a Logic 4.8 user back in the day), so I probably won't bother with Logic again (no matter how great the plugins are).

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i began with kalway 10.5.2 updated to kalway 10.5.3 and now
i am running 10.5.4 (directly downladed in system update) with new kernel.
for me gave that update no improvements to 10.5.3 in logic. (maybe i get lower result in 10.5.2 anyway)

i was asking some friends with 4 core mac pros (3 ghz) they can open only 25-35 tracks with latest update.

what i really dont understand is that issue between actitivy monitor and logic cpu show. same on mac pro too.

the next thing what i really want to know, is how its possible that we users here, have so big differences in our results.

can somebody tell if he/ she has the same issue like me in following thing:

when i do a big project, for example:
20 audio tracks + 10 synth (cpu usement max 100% in actitvy monitor)
then i view to automations on all tracks... and my grafik stocks. its not anymore in nice framerates.
same happens when i show some eqs / compressors (when they are in front to see)... the grafic begin to become really slow.

anyone can tell me the same issue?

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Hmm, how do you select multiple tracks in Logic?

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i began with kalway 10.5.2 updated to kalway 10.5.3 and now
i am running 10.5.4 (directly downladed in system update) with new kernel.
for me gave that update no improvements to 10.5.3 in logic. (maybe i get lower result in 10.5.2 anyway)

i was asking some friends with 4 core mac pros (3 ghz) they can open only 25-35 tracks with latest update.

what i really dont understand is that issue between actitivy monitor and logic cpu show. same on mac pro too.

the next thing what i really want to know, is how its possible that we users here, have so big differences in our results.

can somebody tell if he/ she has the same issue like me in following thing:

when i do a big project, for example:
20 audio tracks + 10 synth (cpu usement max 100% in actitvy monitor)
then i view to automations on all tracks... and my grafik stocks. its not anymore in nice framerates.
same happens when i show some eqs / compressors (when they are in front to see)... the grafic begin to become really slow.

anyone can tell me the same issue?


The max you can squeze out of a single quadcore cpu (like the q6600) based hack is probably round 30 tracks with this test. If you OC your cpu you probably get closer to 30 than if you not. If a real 4 core Mac manages round the same well our hackpros works just amazingly good. If the video starts messing up it might be a video card related problem? Maby the card is just not good enough? 20 audio + 10 synth tracks that is pretty amazing for a q6600 hackpro Id say anyway, that probably gives you round 40 - 50 audiotracks without the synths and that is not bad at all.

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Hmm, how do you select multiple tracks in Logic?



hold shift and select each track, when i remember right...

@starobrno1

of course for hackmac pretty good... and i am sure, that there is no difference at all to a real mac with same cores.

The grafic-Issue can not be related to my grafic-card, its a F***ing 8800gt :P it have to work well.

yesterday i testet a bit more, i put my macbook pro on my monitor and open same project (what i use for testing that grafic-problem) same happens on macbook pro, when resolution is 1920x1200. so maybe its a logic related problem.

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Yeah it probably is, Ive got a cheap ga 7300gs 256 mb pcie card 1680 * 1050 resolution, Ill try load up a bunch of tracks toninght if I can find the time and see what happends. Im using a NVinject.kext for this card I found round here somewhere and I modified it so I can use dual displays (DVI VGA, QEs working to). I figure round 10 of the tracks from this test and a bunch of wavs from one of my songs should do it, itll sound stupidly crazy :tomato: but it will work as a test. If this works with say 10 synths and round 20 wavs got to be a resolution problem then I guess. Ok Ill be back.

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hold shift and select each track, when i remember right...


I tried that (surprise :whistle:), but it didn't work. I have the latest version.

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Well erikk Ive got 15 tracks from this multicore Logic Benchmark test and 40 wav tracks running and on 20 of these wav tracks Ive got a various bunch of Logic channelstrip presets loaded. Coretemperature just round 50 Celsius, disk IO round 50% and some of the wav probably streamimg from my USB harddrive if I understand it right. 3 cores on red but its working. No slugish video its acceptable. Now after 15 minutes of checking and typing this I got the overloadmessage. Gonna mute one synthtrack and see what happends just a sec. Well I reduced the benchmarktracks with one and jumped over to youtube to watchsome movies and Logics still behaving. Got 5 different songs loaded and 3 Safari windows open (one streaming youtube videos) at the same time as I type this. After 20 minutes of doing this I finally got the overload message so it just have to be a Logic resoloution problem you get.

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There seems to be a bug...if I open the mixer and select tracks when holding shift sometimes the channel strips are selected instead. However, this is totally random.

Btw, I have another quick question (OT, I know): is it possible to send more than one midi track to a software instrument? If not, how do you work with different takes/voices on just one track? The same way as with audio tracks?

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Sorry Threepwood dont know probably you have to load the same instrument on more tracks.

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I tried that (surprise :whistle: ), but it didn't work. I have the latest version.



LOL

the shift key in hackintosh is the WINDOWS key (that MS key that says start)

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There seems to be a bug...if I open the mixer and select tracks when holding shift sometimes the channel strips are selected instead. However, this is totally random.

Btw, I have another quick question (OT, I know): is it possible to send more than one midi track to a software instrument? If not, how do you work with different takes/voices on just one track? The same way as with audio tracks?


yes - create as many tracks you need in arrange window for that instrument. define different midi-channels in the inspector on the left. this way I program always my drumtracks ,strings or other multi-instruments before I finally merge them into one track and define midi to"all Channels" in inspector.

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LOL

the shift key in hackintosh is the WINDOWS key (that MS key that says start)


No, that's 'option'. Shift and control are the same (and of course I tried every damn key).





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