Vote CFR in 2008!

[OryHara]

[Paranoid Marvin]

 

I guess some of those points should be implemented...

Like one religion - Pastafarianism!

Also, 1 child families as well.

Open borders would be good, America has a lot to offer to immigrants, and it is against what America once stood for to close them.

Removal of the US constitution would be good too, as it needs something more modern (same thing should happen to the bible )

 

But at the end of the day...

 

Can I trust your propoganda

[tuxmaskone]

Getting a president who is NOT devoted to the NWO would be a God-send, literally.

 

the who, what, where, when, why, and HOW are all readily detailed at the following online book! the way you know the world is about to change!

 

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwotoc.html

[Alessandro17]

Getting a president who is NOT devoted to the NWO would be a God-send, literally.

 

the who, what, where, when, why, and HOW are all readily detailed at the following online book! the way you know the world is about to change!

 

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwotoc.html

 

That book is a bit too long for my tastes. I might read it one day.

However I recommend everybody to read this before:

 

http://english.divinaciencia.com/magia_i.php

 

(And do some further research if you are interested)

 

Understanding the difference between the White and the Black Lodge is fundamental before you start discussing about a New World Order wanted by the so called "Illuminati"

 

See also:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

[subgenius]

*snore*.... are any of you actually retarded enough to believe in any of that?

[bofors]

*snore*.... are any of you actually retarded enough to believe in any of that?

 

I believe in the:

 

Bilderberg Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

 

Trilateral Commission: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission

 

Council for Foreign Relations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

 

Skull & Bones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

 

The Bohemian Grove: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

 

 

Maybe you should wake up, try watching TerrorStorm by Alex Jones here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

[PSPHax0r9]

I believe in the:

 

Bilderberg Group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

 

Trilateral Commission: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission

 

Council for Foreign Relations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

 

Skull & Bones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

 

The Bohemian Grove: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

 

 

Maybe you should wake up, try watching TerrorStorm by Alex Jones here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

 

Wikipedia and Google Video - great, GREAT sources.

Edited November 24, 2007 by Mebster
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[socal swimmer]

come on, give him some credit. His sources are getting better...

 

....and the ideas more far-fetched.

 

 

 

 

 

sarcasm somewhere in there

 

...

 

after actually reading those links, what you are proposing is unlikely, at best. it would never work. No one would go along, and people would find out the moment someone tried to make a move.

 

and if what your proposing is true, then how does alex jones know? is he some kind of super-perceptive genius?

 

or is he just insane?

[Alessandro17]

*snore*.... are any of you actually retarded enough to believe in any of that?

 

And what are your beliefs (if any), SUB-GENIUS?

[bofors]

SUB-GENIUS?

Understanding the difference between the White and the Black Lodge is fundamental before you start discussing about a New World Order wanted by the so called "Illuminati"

The need to influence both sides of the coin (Black and White here), goes back to the dialectic of Hegel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectics#Hegelian_dialectic This was the core philisophy of the Illuminati and their modern equivalents: http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_sutton.html

[Alessandro17]

The need to influence both sides of the coin (Black and White here), goes back the dialectic of Hegelian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectics#Hegelian_dialectic This was the core philisophy of the Illuminati and their modern equivalents:http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_sutton.html

 

I'll have to consider that very carefully before giving a meaningful answer

[bofors]

I'll have to consider that very carefully before giving a meaningful answer

 

The basic point is that the people in control manage change by manipulating both sides of an issue. This can easily be seen by right-wing media mogul Rupert Murdoch support of supposed left-wing Hillary Clinton: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/nyregion...amp;oref=slogin No matter who wins the next the Presidential Election in the USA (Clinton or Giuliani), they will be a tool of Murdoch's and of course the "NWO".

 

Now regarding the "NWO" per se, the phenomena of globalization is natural and unstoppable. On the other hand if we leave it to crooks in powers, it may have some nasty consequences, especially in the USA (Europe looks much safer now), as described by Alex Jones in his new movie "EndGame": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

[Alessandro17]

The basic point is that the people in control manage change by manipulating both sides of an issue. This can easily be seen by right-wing media mogul Rupert Murdoch support of supposed left-wing Hillary Clinton: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/nyregion...amp;oref=slogin No matter who wins the next the Presidential Election in the USA (Clinton or Giuliani), they will be a tool of Murdoch's and of course the "NWO".

 

Now regarding the "NWO" per se, the phenomena of globalization is natural and unstoppable. On the other hand if we leave it to crooks in powers, it may have some nasty consequences, especially in the USA (Europe looks much safer now), as described by Alex Jones in his new movie "EndGame": http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261

 

Indeed, all that makes a lot of sense to me.

As to Europe looking much safer, that is probably because the EU is a free association of countries and no single person or government has a lot of power.

[Mebster]

Wikipedia and Google Video - great, GREAT sources.

What else do you expect? A book FedExd to you?

Come on, if there's something wrong with the material then say so and have a discussion. Don't dismiss it simply because it doesn't fall under your favourite media type.

[OryHara]

I guess some of those points should be implemented...Like one religion - Pastafarianism!Also, 1 child families as well.Open borders would be good, America has a lot to offer to immigrants, and it is against what America once stood for to close them.Removal of the US constitution would be good too, as it needs something more modern (same thing should happen to the bible )But at the end of the day...Can I trust your propoganda

Are you a loon, or just insane?

What else do you expect? A book FedExd to you?Come on, if there's something wrong with the material then say so and have a discussion. Don't dismiss it simply because it doesn't fall under your favourite media type.

They have been talking about doing all that weird stuff for a long time.http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

[Paranoid Marvin]

Are you a loon, or just insane?

 

You answer that first, or at least tell me what you think I said wrong.

[OryHara]

You answer that first, or at least tell me what you think I said wrong.

 

In the U.S. they call it treason. Read the Logan Act of 1799.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

 

Thank God the U.S. isn't a democracy, it would be worse than a dictatorship.

There are still people in the world that hate liberty, and freedom. People like Paranoid Marvin

believe that men should be ruled, and dictated to by other men.

 

*snore*.... are any of you actually retarded enough to believe in any of that?

Do your research little boy. Your TV loves you.

[Paranoid Marvin]

In the U.S. they call it treason. Read the Logan Act of 1799.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

 

Thank God the U.S. isn't a democracy, it would be worse than a dictatorship.

There are still people in the world that hate liberty, and freedom. People like Paranoid Marvin

believe that men should be ruled, and dictated to by other men.

 

Do your research little boy. Your TV loves you.

 

Yep, that's right OryHara - I want to be enslaved.

I want to have my rights removed and my privacy gone. I want to live in a country where people have no control. I want to live in Nazi Germany. I want to live by orthodox Muslim law. I want the government to fly planes into my house. I want them to storm into my house at 3 in the morning because I am a thought criminal.

 

</sarcasm>

 

 

Look, I hate the Bush administration, everything they have done and everything they stand for. I hate dictatorships and Communism. I support liberalism and democracy. I am proud of my country. I want a good President to be elected in America to return it to its former glory and state.

 

 

I have similar views to you in a lot of respects OryHara, and I probably hate the American government just as much!!

 

 

Oh, and by the way, I watch very little telly, apart from the odd comedy program or geography documentary - not very political or brainwashing or idiotic at all in your views, I am sure!

[thegodfaza]

Sorry, but the president does not get "Hitler" powers. There are checks and balances in the government that prohibit the president from doing anything he/she wants. One example is the president can not make laws. The president can approve or veto a law but can not make one up out of the air.

[bofors]

As to Europe looking much safer, that is probably because the EU is a free association of countries and no single person or government has a lot of power.

 

Yes, the USA is just too easy to control.

 

It has just two political parties which are really just two sides to the same coin (both are for sale) and they have ripped the US Constitution to shreds. The States have little or no power against the Federal government and that does not even matter because the American public is so hopelessly addicted to, brainwashed and controlled by television. We can see evidence for this type of phenomena on this very board, where people not only disbelieve the obvious Truth of 9/11 for nonsensical reasons, they feel compelled to attack it (cognitive dissonance).

 

Moreover, the situation is getting much worse. Just check out the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R. 1955):

 

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/20/1458214

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12599

http://www.911blogger.com/node/12505

 

This bill, which was sponsored by Democrats, passed the US House of Representatives (lower chamber) with no debate almost unanimously. It aims to prosecute groups like Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (which I belong to) as "terrorist" organizations and censor the Internet. Meanwhile, the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill (HR 1585) authorizes planning for full scale martial law:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4756

 

Economically the picture is not pretty either, the American middle class is being ripped apart by global competition (namely China & India) and the dollar is being massively devalued. When one looks at these issues and the Truth of 9/11, things look pretty bad here and they certainly are going to get worse.

 

We have every reason to suspect that another 9/11 (a "false flag" terrorist operation) is in the works and when that happens the USA will complete its transformation into a police state.

 

I am thinking it is about time to leave the USA.

[Paranoid Marvin]

I am thinking it is about time to leave the USA.

 

The weather here is much nicer, and there are no red necks :censored2:

[Mebster]

Thank God the U.S. isn't a democracy, it would be worse than a dictatorship.

There are still people in the world that hate liberty, and freedom. People like Paranoid Marvin

believe that men should be ruled, and dictated to by other men.

Please don't put words in Paranoid Marvins mouth. He's never stated he hates freedom and can't wait for the day where his enslaved. Maybe he just isn't as into freedom as much as you are and that cool. If you want to promote freedom like Brucie then that's great. But just because someone isn't as enthusiastic about it as you doesn't mean that don't care for it.

 

Anyway personally I think freedom and liberty must always be bound by a set of rules to govern people. But this therefore isn't true freedom and liberty. So I guess we should be ruled. But not by one person with a big whip but that we should all rule ourself as a community/country or by a leader we trust. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea which once again is fine but total freedom is not something I ever want.

 

Anyway I have no idea what this topic is about because I have no idea what CFR is and because I'm assuming it's a US think I won't try and find out. And so for that reason I'm guessing my post is off-topic. Apologise if it is.

[socal swimmer]

bofors you say these things over and over but it does not make them any more true.

 

your ideas about 9/11 are completely unsubstantiated. Show me a credible source and I will eat my words, but I do not think that you ever will. Please stop telling us that we are retarded for not believing you

 

You are attempting to make us believe by repeating the same mantra over and over, in different words. You then direct us to propaganda sites where we are bombarded with false and/or unsubstantiated facts. Every time we pass one of your posts, we see at least 3 statements that 9/11 is fake etc. These are not the techniques of an informed debate. This is much more characteristic of attempted brainwashing than it is of anything else.

 

my opinion:

 

As for those bills, I believe things will continue to get worse until the American public gets over their fear of terrorism and realizes that they are wrong, and then politicians will begin to run under campaign slogans such as "get back our freedom" and "restore our rights". A little bit later, the supreme court will begin to invalidate the laws (or legislators will remove them).

 

Remember, Lincoln crushed our rights in ways that we have never seen since, yet we are still here. Nobody has taken over our country. We are still a free nation. I think this will happen again, but not that badly.

[PSPHax0r9]

What else do you expect? A book FedExd to you?Come on, if there's something wrong with the material then say so and have a discussion. Don't dismiss it simply because it doesn't fall under your favourite media type.

Are you serious? It's not the media type that's the problem. It's the source that's the problem. Since when has it ever, EVER been acceptable/permissable to present an argument with sources from WIKIPEDIA and GOOGLE VIDEO. If you ever did a research paper in high school or especially college, I'm absolutely sure that any respectable teacher would rip it to shreds. These sources prove nothing unless the Google Video source is a recording of a respected or well known source.

Yes, the USA is just too easy to control. It has just two political parties which are really just two sides to the same coin (both are for sale) and they have ripped the US Constitution to shreds. The States have little or no power against the Federal government and that does not even matter because the American public is so hopelessly addicted to, brainwashed and controlled by television. We can see evidence for this type of phenomena on this very board, where people not only disbelieve the obvious Truth of 9/11 for nonsensical reasons, they feel compelled to attack it (cognitive dissonance).Moreover, the situation is getting much worse. Just check out the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R. 1955):This bill, which was sponsored by Democrats, passed the US House of Representatives (lower chamber) with no debate almost unanimously. It aims to prosecute groups like Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (which I belong to) as "terrorist" organizations and censor the Internet. Meanwhile, the 2008 Defense Authorization Bill (HR 1585) authorizes planning for full scale martial law: http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4756Economically the picture is not pretty either, the American middle class is being ripped apart by global competition (namely China & India) and the dollar is being massively devalued. When one looks at these issues and the Truth of 9/11, things look pretty bad here and they certainly are going to get worse. We have every reason to suspect that another 9/11 (a "false flag" terrorist operation) is in the works and when that happens the USA will complete its transformation into a police state.I am thinking it is about time to leave the USA.

Wow. Get the over yourself. Seriously.

 

You are in the extreme minority of all people in the U.S., believing a conspiracy theory that has been addressed time and time again, and yet you have the stupidity to claim your side as undeniable fact, even when the vast majority of the scientific community completely discredits any notion of such a possibility. Yet you wonder why you're being "prosecuted." I can easily say that if the rest of the 9/11 "Truth" movement is anything like you (and from what I've seen they're either like you or even worse), you all deserve to be "prosecuted."

Edited November 25, 2007 by Mebster
Let the swearing stop. There's no need. That's for everyone.

[OryHara]

Yep, that's right OryHara - I want to be enslaved.I want to have my rights removed and my privacy gone. I want to live in a country where people have no control. I want to live in Nazi Germany. I want to live by orthodox Muslim law. I want the government to fly planes into my house. I want them to storm into my house at 3 in the morning because I am a thought criminal.</sarcasm>Look, I hate the Bush administration, everything they have done and everything they stand for. I hate dictatorships and Communism. I support liberalism and democracy. I am proud of my country. I want a good President to be elected in America to return it to its former glory and state.I have similar views to you in a lot of respects OryHara, and I probably hate the American government just as much!!Oh, and by the way, I watch very little telly, apart from the odd comedy program or geography documentary - not very political or brainwashing or idiotic at all in your views, I am sure!

I hate to tell you but Nazi Germany was a Democracy, which is a form of middle statism. The left wing is just as bad as the right. Thats why I am a Libertarian (Paleo-Conservative), not a liberal. The left is just as bad as the right because they want to take away the rights of the other side to justify their on selfish fetishes. Below I have attach'ed the "Political Graph for Dummies".

 

 

Are you serious? It's not the media type that's the problem. It's the source that's the problem. Since when has it ever, EVER been acceptable/permissable to present an argument with sources from WIKIPEDIA and GOOGLE VIDEO. If you ever did a research paper in high school or especially college, I'm absolutely sure that any respectable teacher would rip it to shreds. These sources prove nothing unless the Google Video source is a recording of a respected or well known source.Wow. Get the over yourself. Seriously. You are in the extreme minority of all people in the U.S., believing a conspiracy theory that has been addressed time and time again, and yet you have the stupidity to claim your side as undeniable fact, even when the vast majority of the scientific community completely discredits any notion of such a possibility. Yet you wonder why you're being "prosecuted." I can easily say that if the rest of the 9/11 "Truth" movement is anything like you (and from what I've seen they're either like you or even worse), you all deserve to be "prosecuted."

What scientific community? OH YEA, You mean the CFR sponsored ones!