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I have two drives with the exact same EFI folder (and I can boot into Clover from either one), shouldn't I be able to boot into MacOS from either one?

 

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I've done a few hacks so far and this never happened. (Gigabyte z370 / 8700k / Vega, Asus z390 / i5-9600k / 1080). Now, I'm setting up a ThinkPad X1 Gen 6. (Yes, I do expect problems on laptops, but that's not the question).

 

Mojave 10.14.4 now boots from the internal SSD. So far, so good. Here's the problem.

 

I installed Mojave on a USB drive (for backup / rescue) and copied the entire EFI partition of my boot drive to the EFI partition on the USB drive. So... I should be able to boot from the USB drive, right? Wrong. Ran Clover installer on the USB itself. Same outcome.

 

With F12, I can boot from the USB into Clover and select the OS on the USB. The boot sequence hangs on End Random Seed, but before the usual '++++++++' line.

So, boot into Clover on internal boot drive, then select OS on USB. Same thing.

 

Read the forums, I saw the posts about AptioMemoryFix, so I tried the various other drivers on the USB. No go.

 

I haven't found the solution yet to the USB boot issue, but what puzzles me is that if I have two drives with the exact same EFI folder (and I can boot into Clover from either one), shouldn't I be able to boot into MacOS from either one?

 

 

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booting off usb you need to make sure you have USB patches in place. in theory.

 

in practice i found it's a bit random and these days i try to avoid it if i can.

i mean, it worked, but sometimes doesn't.

on further testing i found imac 2013 also has trouble booting from some USB enclosures. it basically refuses to.  sometimes it does, sometimes gets stuck on loading and most times it skips the USB / Start up disk.

which kinda points the finger at the usb enclosures, right?

after that i try to avoid it.

 

instead of Aptiomemory fix try AptiomemoryFix-64

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11 hours ago, millusions said:

booting off usb you need to make sure you have USB patches in place. in theory.

 

in practice i found it's a bit random and these days i try to avoid it if i can.

i mean, it worked, but sometimes doesn't.

on further testing i found imac 2013 also has trouble booting from some USB enclosures. it basically refuses to.  sometimes it does, sometimes gets stuck on loading and most times it skips the USB / Start up disk.

which kinda points the finger at the usb enclosures, right?

after that i try to avoid it.

 

instead of Aptiomemory fix try AptiomemoryFix-64

 

Makes sense. I did have AptioMemoryFix-64, indeed, and USB are patches with SSDT. Tried the drive (Samsung flash drive) on another hack and got the interdiction sign. It got further into the boot (with adjusted EFI folder for that second hack), but still failed. Other drives (namely old-school 5400RPM USB 3.0 Seagate drives) work on that second machine. Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

Plan B is to create a small partition, similar to recovery, as alternate boot when updates (OS, kexts, clover) run into trouble.

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i also use plan B now.

the partition method works well, but doesn't allow for EFI errors.

 

i also use external drives with a USB dock. if really need to can put them inside computer. also when cloning clone EFI.

USB clones can be used to clone from to restore a HDD so they're not entirely useless backups

 

i think at the end of the day the EFI backups are most important. the rest can be fairly quickly re-created

one thing i should add.

 

i've never had a boot problem with a purchased USB drive - only empty enclosures i bought -> mainly Orico transparent plastic ones , both dodgy as fk

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On 4/3/2019 at 5:16 PM, millusions said:

i also use plan B now.

the partition method works well, but doesn't allow for EFI errors.

 

 

Strange. It doesn't work for me. I assumed it would, but it doesn't.

 

The drive is internal and partitioned as: 1 Windows partition, 2 APFS partitions which show up as 2 Volumes in Disk Utility (not 2 partitions), and all appropriate EFI and Recovery partitions. Mojave installed on both MacOS partitions without any problem. Now, I can boot into Clover, but I only see one of the two Volumes. Tried resetting NVRAM, reinstalling Clover, even formatted the whole drive and started from scratch for both Windows 10 and MacOS. Same outcome: I have one bootable Windows 10 and one bootable Mojave, but I don't see the second Mojave install, even with F3. Tried bless on CoreServices of the "invisible" drive, tried selecting the second drive in Startup Disk (I see both volumes there). Both bless and selecting the disk seem to work, but then I get the same outcome in Clover: the boot partition doesn't show up—only one OS X and one Windows (+recovery, legacy, and all that).

 

Doesn't Clover allow for two OS partitions to be on the same physical drive?

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yea. that's pretty weird hey.

 

from reading your post my initial thought is Clover configurator/gui.

 

if you saw how many Mac OSX installs i have on each computer you'd laugh at me, i just carbon copy and hold on to 5hit too much.

i even have mavericks, i cant even boot it, nvidia web needs 10.10.

anyway, having said that i've never encountered your problem, have a 300GB partition with 'clone' of this system which boots fine

 

have a look at clover/gui and the 'scan' settings.

 

maybe it's APFS thingo, i dont use APFS, have it on a couple of real Macs i dont see any difference to be honest but apple updates force it pretty much, i dont use it on hacks.

plus HPFS i can read from windows with paragon - but if you do that make sure you have [read only] in registry

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4 hours ago, millusions said:

yea. that's pretty weird hey.

 

from reading your post my initial thought is Clover configurator/gui.

 

if you saw how many Mac OSX installs i have on each computer you'd laugh at me, i just carbon copy and hold on to 5hit too much.

i even have mavericks, i cant even boot it, nvidia web needs 10.10.

anyway, having said that i've never encountered your problem, have a 300GB partition with 'clone' of this system which boots fine

 

have a look at clover/gui and the 'scan' settings.

 

maybe it's APFS thingo, i dont use APFS, have it on a couple of real Macs i dont see any difference to be honest but apple updates force it pretty much, i dont use it on hacks.

plus HPFS i can read from windows with paragon - but if you do that make sure you have [read only] in registry

 

I would agree. Tried various options on Scan. Nothing worked. I did notice 2 other weird things on Clover, though. If I try to exclude/hide volumes, I can, except for "Windows". Nothing happens. Also, if I update Clover, it resets my gui to the holiday theme. That doesn't happen on my other hacks.

 

I had to go APFS as Mojave won't install on anything else. With HS, I could still use the -donotconvert option, but alas no more. But you're right; might be APFS. However, the Clover weirdness mentioned above makes me suspect my Clover install at this point.

 

I guess that means I have to completely de-install clover and completely re-install from scratch.  :(

 

Stay tuned...

 

 

PS. For reference, here is a thread of others with a similar issue: 

 

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clover theme re-sets because new install doesnt have your theme?

 

if you have a mac handy, just carbon copy the b1tch and clover it. that's the beauty of macs, you can carbon copy anything and run it on anything.

thats why i have so many MacOS installations, i didnt install them, just carbon copied them. and then it spread like a disease :)

 

sorry, no APFS hack experience at all. i just carbon copied a real mac mojave and clovered it, it saves a lot of time re-installing photoshop, little snitch etc.etc.. even icloud {censored}.

 

only real downside of HFS+ is updates. it will be quite a job to carbon copy the system, boot it on a real mac, apfs convert and update it, then carbon copy back to here. but thats ok. ill do it at 10.14.6 once.

and yea, all my mac drives readable in windows. it's saves a lot of fking about for a 3TB drive. but yea, at a cost with updates.

 

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@millusions, thank you for your help. I got to get all OS X partitions to show by copying apfs.efi to the Clover UEFI 64 Drivers folder. ApfsDriverLoader-64 should have taken care of that, but obviously doesn't fully.

 

As for the USB boot, I think you're right: it depends on the drive. This thumb drive just won't boot (Samsung bar).

 

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      2018.09.28: Updated to Mojave 10.14 -> Fixed HDMI & VGA Outputs by adding "AppleGraphicsDevicePolicy.kext" patches to config.plist, HDMI audio not working
    • By ciriousjoker
      TLDR:
      I'm trying to boot MacOS on a Chromebook without UEFI. I'm stuck at getting the bootloader (Chameleon/Clover) to work.  
      My setup / context:
      I have an Acer Chromebook Spin 13.
      Available ports:
      2 x USB-C 1 x USB-A 3.0 MicroSD Slot No USB A 2.0 (I've read that Clover has problems with USB 3.0) Firmware:
      There's no UEFI firmware available and by default, it doesn't even allow booting anything other than ChromeOS. Thanks to MrChromebox (big shoutouts!), I flashed a custom legacy bios that allows me to boot anything linux related. This bios is flashed into the RW_LEGACY section of the existing bootloader (coreboot afaik) and doesn't have any configuration options. If I have to change a setting, I could try compiling his bios payload myself with the specific setting enabled.  
      What I've tried so far:
      Chameleon attempts:
      Only selected setting was "Install chameleon on the chosen path", rest was unselected.
       
      1 - Install chameleon first without restoring the basesystem:
      Output:
      > boot0: GPT
      > boot0: done
      (hangs; pressing power button once shuts down
      Chameleon installation log is attached as "Chameleon_Installer_Log_BEFORE".
       
      2 - Install Chameleon after restoring the base system:
      Output:
      > boot0: GPT
      > boot0: GPT
      > boot0: doneboot1: /boot       <- Exactly like that, no line break in between
      (hangs; pressing power button once shuts down)
       
      I haven't been able to reproduce #2 after wiping the drive and doing the same thing again. Subsequent attempts have resulted in either #1 of either Chameleon or Clover.
      Chameleon installation log is attached as "Chameleon_Installer_Log_AFTER".
       
      Clover attempts:
      I tried multiple settings and configurations, but all of them boiled down to either one of these.
       
      1 - Doesn't do anything, just hangs at "Booting from usb..."
      2 - Boots into the blue/grey mode as shown in the attached images.
      According to MrChromebox, this could be an old Tianocore DUET It doesn't detect anything (cpu frequency, ram, partitions or disks)  
      I've read pretty much every article, github readme and other types of documentation for coreboot, tianocore, clover, chameleon and MrChromebox' rw_legacy payloads and right now, I'm totally clueless as to what to try next...
       
      A few questions that came up:
      Why does chameleon hang? What is it looking for, /boot was clearly written to the disk by the Chameleon installer? What exactly is the blue/grey image? According to MrChromebox, it could be Tianocore DUET Where does it come from? Clover? The mainboard itself? Why does the blue/grey thing not detect my processor frequency or any partitions/drives? Can I use some sort of DUET bootloader to chainload Clover?  
      If you guys could answer any of them or if you have any other guesses or information as to what's happening, I'd be really happy!
      Chameleon_Installer_Log_BEFORE.txt
      Chameleon_Installer_Log_AFTER.txt





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