What is the one true faith (or lack thereof)?

[killbot1000]

I find it funny that some people say the US was formed as a christian nation, when in fact half the founding fathers werent even christian. Also, I find it funny that all the god stuff we added to our pledge and our money wasnt even added until the 1950's with the pledge, and the late 1800s with the money....I just think its funny how people try to rewrite history, eh....

[Naim Slim]

Everyone will say that his/her own faith is the "one true faith". IMO you'll get the same results if you asked "What faith do you believe in?".

[killbot1000]

Everyone will say that his/her own faith is the "one true faith". IMO you'll get the same results if you asked "What faith do you believe in?".

 

Yeah, I know, I just thought it would be a funny question to ask, just to see where the spectrum lies, of people who come to this forum, it looks about evenly split between christians and atheists, heheh.

[mr_projects]

This is a reply to my previous post here, im a bit late, also sorry if its long , so here goes

 

 

If we were to say that someone created God, then when asked "Who or what created the creator of the creator?" And so on, ad infinitum. This is irrational and impossible.

 

Personally .. the question should be does he exist or not.

 

The universe is larger than humans can readily comprehend and contains many objects too small for humans to see. Whatever caused the universe had to cause a gigantic mass of matter and/or energy, composed of mere particles, to come into existence. Therefore, the cause must be very powerful.

 

So If the universe needs a cause, then why doesn’t God need a cause? And if God doesn’t need a cause, why should the universe need a cause?” In reply, The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning,

 

Since we know the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down. Also all the matter in the universe was in a "single point" in a space that didn't exist... a "singularity" in which the laws of physics don't apply. Then "it exploded" (whatever "it" is). Now, what if the questioner accepts that the universe had a beginning, but not that it needs a cause? But it is self-evident that things that begin have a cause — no-one really denies it in his heart. All science and history would collapse if this law of cause and effect were denied. Furthermore, the universe cannot be self-caused — nothing can create itself, because that would mean that it existed before it came into existence, which is a logical absurdity. Also, if there is no cause, there is no explanation why this particular universe appeared at a particular time, nor why it was a universe and not, say, a banana or cat which appeared. This universe can't have any properties to explain its preferential coming into existence, because it wouldn't have any properties until it actually came into existence.

So there must have been a first, uncaused cause which started the chain of events that resulted in the present state of the universe. So something must have been here, to make more things. You cannot make life from nothing, or a rock from nothing, without that first infinite catalysts.

So if we all can agree; that in order for any theory or belief to be true, we need an infinite beginner of beginnings, and wouldn't it be illogical to think that the infinite creator was a mere spec of matter?

Since the things we observe in the physical universe don't pop into existence of their own accord, it makes more sense to posit that the first cause is an entity like God who is not bound by the physical universe and its laws.

 

So the cause (God), as creator of time, is outside of time , and since God is not governed by the laws of time, He therefore had no beginning, and if He had no beginning, He therefore wouldn't need a cause to produce His very existence.

everything we know has a beginning and an end. It is the recognition of both a beginning and end, which identify time , Our finite minds find it inconceivable that something or someone has been here since before the beginning of time. Because we live in the dimension of time, it is impossible for us to fully understand anything that does not have a beginning and an end. "Eternal" is a tough concept for us regular humans to get our minds around. but we've always been taught that everything HAS to have started and everything must wind down to an end.

 

But to suggest God had a beginning is to minimize His nature; because, if He started at some point, there had to have been a force greater than Him that started Him. The existence of such a force would mitigate God's attribute of omnipotence (all-powerful). So, the easy answer is, NO ONE or NOTHING created God; but the tough piece comes with "...because He had no beginning. He simply always is."

 

God isn't governed by the laws or rules of the universe as we know it. He's not bound by the three-dimensional, physical world in which we live. He created the rules, He's beyond the creation realm but we are in this realm. He wasn't created or conceived, he just always was and is. We are truly infantile in our knowledge, both seen and unseen.

Humanity will always ask why? To that I say why not?

 

Now, I begin asking myself, If assuming God exists isn’t enough, then at least there is something from God indicating that he really exists, a book perhaps, but if any holy book is truly coming from god then,:

 

1. There must be one version of that book, many versions gives us a possibility of a contradiction, and since the creator is one, then his book should be one too.

2. it shouldn't confilict with science discoveries and

3. Explains why we are here, who created us, what's the point ..etc

 

I found that the Quran fits all my criteria's, the original version is in Arabic, and it hasn’t been changed over the centuries meaning all the Qur'ans in the world are identical, really you can check it by yourself, However since it is in Arabic there are many translations, but the original Arabic version remains unchanged.

 

And for the second criteria. The holy book (Quran) which was revealed to his last prophet (Mohammad, pbuh), contains scientific facts that were mentioned 1400 years ago and was only discovered recently by scientists

 

If someone would believe that a human wrote the book, he must also believe that this human:

 

- Knew that the Earth and heavenly bodies were once a single point, and were separated violently (Quran 21:30) What's more...

 

- Known about the relativity of time (Quran 22:47; 23:112-114; 70:4), a subject similarly unknown to tribes of this period.

 

Either he possessed some extraordinary source of knowledge allowing discussion of this subject thirteen and a half centuries before Einstein, or we are looking at another intriguing coincidence.

 

And yet: Consider that the same author would also have to have:

 

- Known that the universe is continuously expanding (Quran 51:47).

 

- Known that the Earth is round (Quran 55:17, 39:5)

 

- Known that matter is created in pairs (Quran 36:36). (By the way, this discovery earned the scientist Paul Dirac the Nobel Prize in 1933.)

 

- Known what modern biological science knows about the foundation of life on Earth, namely that it is water-based (Quran 21:30).

 

- Known that iron is not native to the Earth, coming instead from an extraterrestrial source (Quran 57:25).

 

- Known that the planet Earth travels in an orbit (Quran 27:88; 21:33).

 

- Known that the sun, too, moves in an orbit (Quran 37:38), as indeed modern astronomy proves that it does.

 

- Known that the Earth's atmosphere acts like a protective shield for living creatures (Quran 21:32).

 

- Known that the stages of human development in the womb unfold in a specific, describable sequence (Quran 23:14) that has been confirmed by modern experts in human embryology.

 

- Known that the roots of mountains extend deep into the earth and serve the function of preventing shocks (Quran 21:31).

 

- Known details of how the Earth's rain cycle functions that were mysteries to scientists until the twentieth century (Quran 30:48).

 

- Known what modern oceanographers have now learned, namely that bordering seas meet but do not mingle with one another (Quran 55:19-20).

 

- Known that oceans have complex subsurface wave patterns (Quran 24:40).

 

- Known that, in communities of honeybees, only the females are workers (Quran 16:68-69). (The Arabic verb forms can connect only to female beings).

 

- Known that the body of the Pharoah who had opposed Moses would be preserved for future generations (Quran 10:91-92) -- it is today on display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum.

 

- Known that the fabled Arabian lost city of Iram (Quran 89:6-8) whose historical existence was confirmed by archaeologists only in 1990, was a historical reality.

 

- Known that the ancient flood that had beset the southern Arabian people of Saba from their dam system (Quran 34:15-17), similarly confirmed by modern archeology, was a historical reality.

 

If we believe that human authorship is the only possible explanation for the origin of the Qur'an, we must assume either that a human somehow had access to this information, or we must believe that this passage is yet another in a remarkably long series of intriguing coincidences. How many coincidences do we need to get the message?

 

The message is simple: no human intelligence could have produced this book in the seventh century.

 

Please know that there are many, many more such coincidences in the Qur'an. I have listed here only those that do not require advanced knowledge in such topics as Arabic, mathematics, Islamic history, or classical poetic forms.

 

Even with the brief list I have provided, there comes, I think, a point at which one is obliged to evaluate the Qur'an's Message carefully, closely, and respectfully. These supposed coincidences are, I believe, clear signs to humankind that the Qur'an's Message is of a special quality, and must not be ignored.

 

Only the repeated exposure of the individual human heart to the Qur'an's Message can settle such a momentous question, "Who wrote the Qur'an?"

 

If you are a person who believes that there is no such thing as a divinely inspired revelation, the question is: how many coincidences does it take for you to consider that such a revelation to humanity may be possible?

 

If you are a person who believes that there is such a thing as a divinely inspired revelation, the question is, how many coincidences are you willing to ignore before considering the possibility that a particular text presents such revelation?

 

Please know that I am NOT interested in any debate about the possibility that any ONE of these verses I have cited is just a coincidence, or is for some other reason unpersuasive to you.

 

The truly remarkable thing is that ALL of these features should present themselves in a text supposedly composed by human intelligence -- and the profound unlikelihood of that is the intriguing coincidence I wish to discuss.

 

Knowing what you now know about these supposed coincidences, do you honestly believe that the Qur'an is simply the product of human intelligence, a book like any other book? Or does it seem more likely to you that its Message is of a special quality?

 

And for the last criteria, all these verses that im going to mention now fits" the assumption previously discussed , and are mentioned in the Quran

 

God is eternal and one:

 

"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like Him.". [Quran 112:1-4] (Allah is the Arabic name for God)

 

God created us and we'll be brought back to him as time ends: . (And that's logical since time had a beginning it needs an end to it. When time ends, all matter and all mankind will enter eternity)

 

It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; then shall ye be brought back to Him. [Quran 30:11]

 

Is not He (best) Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? Is there any God beside Allah? Say: Bring your proof, if ye are truthful! [Quran 27:64]

 

And man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?" But does not man remember that We created him before when he was nothing? [Quran 19:66-67]

 

And blessed is He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all between them: with Him is the Knowledge of the Hour (of Judgment): and to Him shall ye be brought back. [Quran 89:85]

 

Since he is outside time, then first and last should be the same:

 

He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things. [Quran 57:3]

 

They ask thee about the Hour,-'When will be its appointed time? Wherein art thou (concerned) with the declaration thereof? With thy Lord in the Limit fixed therefor. Thou art but a Warner for such as fear it. The Day they see it, (It will be) as if they had tarried but a single evening, or (at most till) the following morn! [Quran 9:42-46]

 

"And when it was said that the promise of Allah was true, and that the Hour- there was no doubt about its (coming), ye used to say, 'We know not what is the hour: we only think it is an idea, and we have no firm assurance.'" [Quran 45:32]

 

Does not man see that We have created him from the sperm? Then lo! he is an open adversary!. And he strikes out a likeness for Us and forgets his own creation. Says he: Who will give life to the bones when they are rotten? Say: He will give life to them Who brought them into existence at first, and He is cognizant of all creation He Who has made for you the fire (to burn) from the green tree, so that with it you kindle (fire). Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth able to create the like of them? Yea! and He is the Creator (of all), the Knower. His command, when He intends anything, is only to say to it: Be, so it is. Therefore glory be to Him in Whose hand is the kingdom of all things, and to Him you shall be brought back. [Quran 36:77-83]

 

 

Everything seems to fit now

 

At this point I not only assume but I know that God exists

 

If science appears consistent with the Quran

 

And if God is explaining to us why we are here, then

 

Isn't that enough to be true?

[DrJägermeister]

Isn't that enough to be true?

 

No

[mr_projects]

No

 

Why ?

[DrJägermeister]

Why ?

The things from the quran you have written from the Quran are maybe true but other things from quran are definitively not true, that´s the reason why I can´t trust the bible or quran.

[killbot1000]

The things from the quran you have written from the Quran are maybe true but other things from quran are definitively not true, that´s the reason why I can´t trust the bible or quran.

 

 

Well said!

 

Honestly, thats the view I take, if you can find even ONE thing about the bible thats not true, you throw the entire document into question... which is good! heheh

[mr_projects]

Honestly, thats the view I take, if you can find even ONE thing about the bible thats not true, you throw the entire document into question... which is good! heheh

 

im not saying that the bible is not true, you see from history were told that the Quran is revealed to the last prophet, the same prophet that beleived in the past books, since some of those books/versions got changed by people before his time, the book (Quran) is essentially a final version confirming the other books that came before it

 

plus the thing that really made difference to me, is that there is only one version of the Quran, in contrast there could be many versions of other holy books.

 

The things from the quran you have written from the Quran are maybe true but other things from quran are definitively not true, that´s the reason why I can´t trust the bible or quran.

 

 

i have studied the Quran, and read it many times, there are no other things that aren't true im sure of that. im not saying that because i heard or read someone say that, im saying that because i studied that specific book

 

but just think about it, no human intelligence could have known those things thousands of years ago

[DrJägermeister]

i have studied the Quran, and read it many times, there are no other things that aren't true im sure of that. im not saying that because i heard or read someone say that, im saying that because i studied that specific book

but just think about it, no human intelligence could have known those things thousands of years ago

So how can you explain this?

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php...icle&sid=12

That´s just few examples, I saw different other sites about errors and contradictions in the quran or bible. It´s seems that the quran and bible are not perfect.

I have only two explanations for this: god is stupid or the quran and bible aren´t the word of god.

[mr_projects]

the so called contradictions are because of confusions in understanding the Quran, im not going to list them here, because im not in a debate

 

so here is a site that responds to those claims:

 

Link 1

 

and

 

Link 2

 

plz note that since its easy to claim anything, these debates will be on-going

 

and besides, why dont we see the miracles thats mentioned in the book, instead of focusing on claims

 

check them here :

 

The Quran Miracles Encyclopedia

 

Miracles of the Quran

[DrJägermeister]

the so called contradictions are because of confusions in understanding the Quran, im not going to list them here, because im not in a debate

 

so here is a site that responds to those claims:

 

Link 1

 

and

 

Link 2

 

plz note that since its easy to claim anything, these debates will be on-going

I read the 2 links but they talk about other contractions witch are not from here:

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php...icle&sid=12

Your links can´t give a answer for the contradictions found at faithfreedom.org.

 

Hmm, now I´m curious so I read the first time in my life the quran online in German here

http://www.ahmadiyya.de/islam/koran/frameset.html

 

I found everything I searched for example the contraction of numbers (7.55, 11.8, 10.4 vs 41.10, 41.11, 41.13) or that the sky/heaven is a roof or canopy over the earth (21.32, 31.10)

That´s only few examples from many I´ve controlled but I was able to found this contractions myself in the quran and your Links don´t give me a answer or explanation for that. I mean it´s really written in the quran and it´s not a confusion from me.

To be 100% sure I will ask tomorow a arabic friend with a arabic quran to translate these sures for me from his book if there is no translation problem with the German or English quran. If it´s the same again, then it´s sure that there are some contradictions/errors in the quran.

 

 

 

and besides, why dont we see the miracles thats mentioned in the book, instead of focusing on claims

I think more important is to know if there are some errors/contradictions in this book because this will mean that it can´t be the word of god (god should be perfect). Since I´m adult I don´t believe in miracles anymore

[wildcat69410]

I think more important is to know if there are some errors/contradictions in this book because this will mean that it can´t be the word of god (god should be perfect). Since I´m adult I don´t believe in miracles anymore smile.gif

 

It's the word of God, written down and translated by the work of Men. God may be perfect, but we are not, and no matter how great our efforts may be, there is natural to be some contradiction due to human error. God should be perfect, and he is. What's more important here isn't the contradictions, it's the miracles listed. You're just using the contradictions to ignore his point.

[gwprod12]

The common "The bible is inerrant" conception denies what you say. Because the bible is inherently inerrant, it cannot be wrong. When a scribe transcribes a word into another word because of a bad translation, that is God making the bible the way he wants it.

 

I agree that the bible came from somewhere. Where it came from is irrelevant. It is not free of error. If it were free of error, there would not be numerous translations that conflict even to the smallest degree.

[DrJägermeister]

It's the word of God, written down and translated by the work of Men. God may be perfect, but we are not, and no matter how great our efforts may be, there is natural to be some contradiction due to human error. God should be perfect, and he is. What's more important here isn't the contradictions, it's the miracles listed. You're just using the contradictions to ignore his point.

So in your logic is was perfect long time ago but now it´s full of {censored} because some mens had translated it. That proves that it isn´t the word of god anymore but only fiction made by humans, they probably also add the "miracles" to make it more interesting. You know yourself that there are many errors/contracdictions inside but you still want to believe in these "miracles", that´s naive, isn´t it?

So my conclusion is now it´s no more a holy book (if it ever was) and you can´t trust anything from it. You should put it in the trash and stop to believe that god has something to do with this book because you said yourself that you think god is perfect. On the other side if we accept that god (or Allah) is stupid or a liar then maybe the quran is really is the word of god.

It´s exactly the same situation (full of errors) for the bible.

BTW, it´s the same in the arabic quran so it´s NOT a translation problem.

[mr_projects]

I read the 2 links but they talk about other contractions witch are not from here:

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php...icle&sid=12

Your links can´t give a answer for the contradictions found at faithfreedom.org.

 

you could've at least searched the page

 

that link answers most of the questions, i'll show them to you

 

answers to question #:

 

1- Numerical Contradictions

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_six.htm

http://www.understanding-islam.org/related...ticle&aid=4

http://www.understanding-islam.org/related...icle&aid=76

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/my_04.htm

 

2- Creation of the heaven and Earth

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/ma_h_e.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/qura...arth_heaven.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/0501.htm

 

3- Sun-set and Sun-rise

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/qe003.html

http://www.answering-islam.com/sunrise_sunset.htm

 

4- A Resting Place For Sun!?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sunr...set_hadiths.htm

 

5- Why Allah Created Stars!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/4701.htm

 

6- Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth?

In this part, its claimed that the Quran claimed that the sky was a roof, when infact, the Quran claimed nothing like this, but it was only giving reference to the 7 atmospheres that exist on and above earth. Let us look, and see where the fatal mistake of the assumption was made, but was the mistake an accident?

Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

- Now in this particular verse, the translator forget to mention its function (guarding). It becomes clear what is meant by the sky. It is a roof, a guarding roof. Now, one will ask themselves what on earth does that mean? Well when one thinks of the 7 atmospheres on and above earth, we notice that they protect us from such things like deadly ultraviolet rays, and meteors and so on and so forth. The atmosphere destroys or filters these things so that they are not able to affect the balance of life on earth. That is what is meant by guarding roof. And it is quite clear from this verse that it is referring to the 7 atmospheres.

 

7- Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_rotation.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/eart...n_challenge.htm

 

8- Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm

 

9- Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/nadeem_embryology.htm

 

10- Is Religion Compulsive or is it not?

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things". 2:256

 

See its clear, There is NO COMPULSION in religion. Now the later verses that were pasted were fragments. The entire verses, show that you are only to fight the disbelievers if they fight you, or if you make peace and the break the peace treaty.

 

 

i didn't see any response from you concerning the last two links on the miracles btw

 

i know that you believe in science not in fiction , as u said in another thread :

 

I believe in science not in fiction

 

please explain how is it possible for anyone 1400 years ago to even guess that

 

the universe is continuously expanding (Quran 51:47).

 

and

 

that matter is created in pairs (Quran 36:36). (By the way, this discovery earned the scientist Paul Dirac the Nobel Prize in 1933.)

 

if you dont believe me check it by yourself at

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

 

and search for 36:36 in the right search box

 

and also notice how the verse # and the chapter # also match , 36 and 36 !! as if it were pairs too !

 

they were only examples

 

and since your into science, you gotta check this:

 

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

[killbot1000]

In books like the bible and the quaran, so much {censored} is written down in them, that some of it is BOUND to be right, just out of pure coincidence, nothing more, Im sorry but there was no envelope of water around the earth to protect us from the sun (bible)

[mr_projects]

In books like the bible and the quaran, so much {censored} is written down in them, that some of it is BOUND to be right, just out of pure coincidence, nothing more, Im sorry but there was no envelope of water around the earth to protect us from the sun (bible)

 

killbot1000 come on, do u really think that all of these are coincidents ???

 

http://www.quranmiracles.com/

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index2.html

http://www.islam-guide.com/

[DrJägermeister]

you could've at least searched the page

So it´s a question a interpretation, do you know Nostradamus? It´s the same: you can interprate it how you want and at least everybody who wants to interprate it on his own way can say it´s true but that doesn´t mean that it´s really true.

I readed only few from these errors/contradictions and I´m convinced that there are really some errors/contradictions.

Maybe you are right or maybe not. In dubio pro reo

[killbot1000]

So it´s a question a interpretation, do you know Nostradamus? It´s the same: you can interprate it how you want and at least everybody who wants to interprate it on his own way can say it´s true but that doesn´t mean that it´s really true.

I readed only few from these errors/contradictions and I´m convinced that there are really some errors/contradictions.

Maybe you are right or maybe not. In dubio pro reo

 

 

I totally agree, its all interpretation.

[kernalzero]

Quran 24:20 "Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with billow topped by billow topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness one above another: if a man stretches out his hand he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light there is no light!"

 

Welcome to the world of writing down a scientific observation...there are divers who can dive down depths of 150 meters free diving...a technique of pearl diving dating back ~4500 years!!! free diving article

 

Quran 57:25 "We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice. And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for GOD to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. GOD is Powerful, Almighty."

 

Where does this say anything about iron being extraterrestrial? and who is we? if you want to get that specific about things then you must agree with the big bang theory or the fact that everything that is on this planet came from somewhere else (law of conservatoin of matter - matter cannot be created nor destroyed!!)!

 

Quran 27:88 "Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do."

 

I don't see that as 'the planet Earth travels in an orbit'. I interpret that in a geological terms as the mountains although static in our time, are VERY dynamic over the course of time (millions of years). Or maybe the writer was on a boat watching mountains go by...

 

I don't have time to interpret the quran right now but the biggest thing that pisses me off about religious texts is that millions of people read them literally or are told what things should mean by otheres...come to your own conclusions...not what some jack ass posted on a website and you decided to copy/paste!

 

(p.s. I'd just like to say hello to the NSA since I just googled those parts of the quran. )

[antic]

Whats the point of religon. Its just a means to control the masses.

[Mebster]

Quran 57:25 "We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice. And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for GOD to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. GOD is Powerful, Almighty."

Where does this say anything about iron being extraterrestrial? and who is we? if you want to get that specific about things then you must agree with the big bang theory or the fact that everything that is on this planet came from somewhere else (law of conservatoin of matter - matter cannot be created nor destroyed!!)!

....

Quran 27:88 "Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do."

I don't see that as 'the planet Earth travels in an orbit'. I interpret that in a geological terms as the mountains although static in our time, are VERY dynamic over the course of time (millions of years). Or maybe the writer was on a boat watching mountains go by...

I need to look at the first quote for myself and don't have time right now. But for the others I have answered already and so will re-post sections.

 

'We' is the same as I but shows greatness and power. Many people get confused by this but Islam is not a polytheist religion and so can not mean greater than 1.

 

Iron

Iron, it seems it is extraterrestrial. You just needed to look into this a little more to find it out for you self. And remember Iron is probability the most important metal we could have for many reasons. For one, if I remember correctly, it's movement deep in the earths core is what creates our magnetic field.

5) THE MIRACLE OF IRON

 

"And We also sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind…"(Qur'an, 57:25)

 

When we take into consideration the literal meaning of the word, which is, "being physically sent down from the sky," as in the case of rain and Sun rays, we realize that this verse implies a very significant scientific miracle. Because, modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the iron found in our world has come from giant stars in outer space.

 

Iron in the entire Solar System, comes from outer space, since the temperature in the Sun is inadequate for the formation of iron. The sun has a surface temperature of 6,000 degrees Celsius, and a core temperature of approximately 20 million degrees. Iron can only be produced in much larger stars than the Sun, where the temperature reaches a few hundred million degrees. When the amount of iron exceeds a certain level in a star, the star can no longer accommodate it, and it eventually explodes in what is called a "nova" or a "supernova." These explosions make it possible for iron to be given off into space.

 

In his book Nature's Destiny, the well-known microbiologist Michael Denton emphasizes the importance of iron:

 

"Of all the metals there is none more essential to life than iron. It is the accumulation of iron in the centre of a star which triggers a supernova explosion and the subsequent scattering of the vital atoms of life throughout the cosmos."

 

"Without the iron atom, there would be no carbon-based life in the cosmos"

 

It is due to the constant flow of hot molten iron deep in the earth, it creates (for the earth) a magnetic field ("great force"). You could imagine things would be very different if we did not.

Birds for example use the magnetic field as a guide as to where to migrating.

Ships used (and still do as backup) to direct themselves in the sea.

Everyday 1.6 billion Muslims know the direction of the Kabba (in Mecca, Saudi Arabia) to perform their daily prays. How would we know which direction to pray otherwise?

 

Iron is also used to kill cancer cell and has had tremendous success.

 

"iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind" (Qur'an, 57:25)

Mountains

3) THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS

 

"We placed firmly embedded mountains on the earth, so it would not move under them…" (Qur'an, 21:31)

 

"Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?" (Qur'an, 78:6-7)

 

 

Stabilizers

The verse states that mountains perform the function of preventing shocks in the Earth. This fact was not known by anyone at the time the Qur'an was revealed. The modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge (fact) about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s from modern geological research.

Pegs

Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height. With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.

[gwprod12]

I'd like to point out that all elements other than hydrogen are created in stellar nucleosynthesis (except some of the super heavy elements, which are created by supernovae themselves). All Elements from helium and heavier are disbursed at the end of a star's lifecycle.

 

Iron isnt special in this way. All material in the universe other than free hydrogen has at one point been part of a star, and all of the material in the solar system predates the solar system's formation. All material in our solar system originated elsewhere. So by that definition, it is all "extra-terestrial" matter.

[kernalzero]

thank you gwprod12 for saying it better than I about iron and matter in general really.