retroz Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 I've used a Mac before for Pro Tools, Avid, etc, but have been mostly a PC guy for most of my life, mainly becuase of two reasons. 1) The PC was always faster, it was faster and cheaper to build, and even if you went with an off the shelf box, or Dell, it was upgradable and a little more future proof. 2) The second reason is I develop samples for PC audio programs GigaStudio, (PC Only) and Acid (PC only), and at the time, ACID was the only thing out there - in fact, it was the Acid (Sonic Foundry guy) that left Sony Media and developed Garage band. That said, I saw the scooping up of Logic by Apple which was a BLOW to Avid/Pro-Tools, as the MAC base and AVID was a good partnership. But then Avid started to see the light, they new NATIVE was getting stronger and more powerful, therfore they bought m-audio. Now, a few things before I continue my rant. I don't like closed ended systems and dispise some business models, for example, Pro Tools LE allows for a limited amount of tracks and if you want to work with picture you are forced to by the DV tool kit which is another pop into your bank account. That said, I know foley guys that work in huge studios then come home and work on Pro-Tools using a mbox and dv toolkit. The point I am starting to get is, I am a creative person and I am starting to realize a few things. Macs are now just as powerful and the new macbook (although I disagree with the $150 charge for BLACK) let alone the business model to make you pay $400 more just to get black with non-dedicated GPU, it is just as powerful as the DUAL G5 which many and I mean MANY use today for the final cut studios, pro-tools HD, or LE, Logic, Digital Performer. But what is striking to me is that the more I look into Apple and Apple care, I see seminars about how to do (fill in the blank) which is all about creating. Every software platform they have/create are for the creatives and that's what I am. Now, with that said, I have Cubase SX and a AMD Machine and lots of plug-ins, but you know what is missing? All those seminars and learning tools on how to get the most out of it. I live in California and am seeing more and more demand for final cut editors, I opened garage band, Sound Pro 1.5, Logic and without ever using it was able to move, command hold and drag loops, create and do a lot without ever looking anything up. I can only wonder what I could do with a Macbook (same as Dual G5) and Final Cut Express HD (is the 400FW limiting though)??? And am also curious as to what the apple care can and will offer? For example is there a schedule of events? Anyway, I am starting to see the light and am starting to realize it like this, while the stat on the richest 3% of the population controlling the world, and apples market share is what, 5%? I wonder of all the Albums, CD's, movies, etc, are created using mac software! Sure, they use AMD RENDERING FARMS and I would love to know more about how I could link a Mac to a PC and make them synch in harmony, but am starting to wonder, what took me so long, or is it just that I am looking for another excuse to not make music, and get bogged down with trying new applications and software? One of the things I do like though with the idea of starting to go all mac, is the idea that for once in my life I want to start buying ALL my software and start using those programs only and mastering them while at the same time, taking in seminars of these software programs (PRO TOOLS, iDVD, Final Cut) and get some good skills that can help pay the bills while I work on my own music projects. Sure, it's great to own $10000 of dollars worth of Orchestral software, hardware, etc, but am wondering by defending the PC all the time and speed, if that point is now moot and to start focusing on one thing at a time. Does this make sense? God Speed! :-) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 "AppleCare" is Apple's hardware service plan, when you say "apple care", you are clearly talking about something else. In terms of your specific audio and video concerns, I think you need to be talking to people working in that field, only a few of which are here in this forum. Otherwise, it sounds like you are confused about in which direction to head, in perhaps more ways than one, but I think if you just take a little more time to get your goals and needs well defined, you will be able to make the right decision. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-120849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
retroz Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 Thanks, I could not find what I was talking about at the mac website, but it's $99 for a year and allows for one meeting (1 hour long) per week. Thanks! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-120950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 1) The PC was always faster, it was faster and cheaper to build, and even if you went with an off the shelf box, or Dell, it was upgradable and a little more future proof. That's because Microsoft generated Windows to make keyboard response time minimal. That's why it feels faster. Now, a few things before I continue my rant. I don't like closed ended systems and dispise some business models, for example, Pro Tools LE allows for a limited amount of tracks and if you want to work with picture you are forced to by the DV tool kit which is another pop into your bank account. That said, I know foley guys that work in huge studios then come home and work on Pro-Tools using a mbox and dv toolkit. The point I am starting to get is, I am a creative person and I am starting to realize a few things. You don't like closed system, but you're using Windows, easily the most proprietary (read closed) system on the planet. Macs are now just as powerful and the new macbook (although I disagree with the $150 charge for BLACK) let alone the business model to make you pay $400 more just to get black with non-dedicated GPU, it is just as powerful as the DUAL G5 which many and I mean MANY use today for the final cut studios, pro-tools HD, or LE, Logic, Digital Performer. But what is striking to me is that the more I look into Apple and Apple care, I see seminars about how to do (fill in the blank) which is all about creating. Every software platform they have/create are for the creatives and that's what I am. Now, with that said, I have Cubase SX and a AMD Machine and lots of plug-ins, but you know what is missing? All those seminars and learning tools on how to get the most out of it. Macs have always been as powerful so long as software took advantage of the issues surrounding the processors (such as Altivec). Get a good Altivec optimized program (like Photoshop) and the antiquated G4 is still usable for a lot of things. Unfortunately, the rest of the computing world advanced without a similar advance in the G4 processor (thanks Motorola). With the G5, software took advantage of that processors quirks and it screamed. BTW, according to Macworld, the G5 is still faster than these Intel CoreDuo machines. I live in California and am seeing more and more demand for final cut editors, I opened garage band, Sound Pro 1.5, Logic and without ever using it was able to move, command hold and drag loops, create and do a lot without ever looking anything up. I can only wonder what I could do with a Macbook (same as Dual G5) and Final Cut Express HD (is the 400FW limiting though)??? And am also curious as to what the apple care can and will offer? For example is there a schedule of events? Firewire 400 will be sufficient for anything you do, simply because Firewire 800 never really caught on. it won't for another few years either. In terms of using Final Cut Express, it has probably 85% of what the pro version has, so unless you absolutely need something that pro can offer, the next step down might do some good. One of the things I do like though with the idea of starting to go all mac, is the idea that for once in my life I want to start buying ALL my software and start using those programs only and mastering them while at the same time, taking in seminars of these software programs (PRO TOOLS, iDVD, Final Cut) and get some good skills that can help pay the bills while I work on my own music projects. Which is good, since a lot of stages are using Final Cut as the editor of choice. So wave goodbye to Adobe crapware Premiere. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-121027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fOZf8 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Eek...I've always despised Premiere....after using Final Cut as of late I'd have to say it pulls a close second in my hatred/frustration meter though...it just isn't fluid and quick....sure, maybe on some levels, but compared to Vegas, which is what I've been using for the last few years, it can't touch it. Really though, I don't thinlk there's a win/win scenario in either directions, problems and greatness in both OSes, for millions of reasons. Just use what works best for you. Personally I love OSX, but I get way more done using SX3 in XP then using Ableton in OSX with a scant handful of Unibin AUs and VSTs and no midi. Anyways, as long as I'm running OSX on any machine, it'll be a definate dual boot with XP regardless for the next few years at least (or Vista, if its even ironed out within the next 3 years!) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-121039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberracus Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I used to be a windows user, now if ever happened to OSX86 project and i cant make my own mac i would HAVE to buy one, final cut is intuitive everything works as it should do, and everything is nice and smooth, and easy, really the seminars and complements are a part of it, and if money wasnt counting i would go everything apple everything original, thats absolutely. Windows really isnt as good as OSX, and i have built HUNDREDS of windows systems. Long life Apple, really Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-121511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwin x86 Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 You are not confused. Mac has always been for Audio/Video creative type stuff. I was ripping loops into Macromedia Soundedit 16 and using Digital Performer to sequence a K2000 sampler/synth more than 10 years ago. All of it without looking up instructions. Rebirth, SoundFactory, and several other programs were providing 41k DSP Stereo emulation, recording, and effects for the Mac before CD burners were common. Mac has always been this way, you are only just now finding out about it. Wish you were here.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-406938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InteliMac Pro Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 You're thinking about the one-to-one program. 99 bucks for a year. 52 sessions possible. One session per week. if you make it to even ten sessions it's worth it. The black macbook costs more because it has a 160GB hard drive, not just because it's black. And the high end black macbook also sports 2 gigs of ram. If i were you i'd consider a 15" macbook pro with 4 gigs of ram though. It'd be much faster at what you want to do than the macbook. if you're worried about the price just consider that you're already thinking about spending hundreds on the software and a new machine. a few hundred more would pay off in productivity in the long run. get applecare. period. Take the plunge. you won't regret it. Welcome to the iFamily =D Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/18488-the-mac-experience-yeah-right-and-i-have-a-bridge-to-sell-you/#findComment-416950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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