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Paranoid Marvin
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:happymac:

 

I love that advert!!

 

Though I was just waiting for it to be taken down...

It was no suprise though, things get taken off the TV or other things for stupid reasons all the time here, like this one here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7401315.stm

 

It also dismissed further complaints that the "orgy" poster condoned underage sex and that the images would encourage children to copy the behaviour.

 

Oddly enough, all the characters portrayed in that poster, as well as the actors are all over 18. Why this is encouraging under age sex beats me :)

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I think a lot of people see the commercial as a {censored} couple with children.... maybe I'm odd, but I saw it as "with Heinz "stuff" you have a New York barber in the kitchen, instead of a "normal wife"."

 

Am I totally odd for seeing it this way?

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Yeah, what is wrong with that ["orgy"] poster?
Nothing, if I was viewing it. I'd have problems with a 5 year old viewing it.

 

In this day and age of technology, do we really have to clutter every corner of our lives with sex and violence? I am strongly apposed to censorship. I believe discerning adults should have convenient access to the products and entertainment of their choice. Why can't public space like bill boards, news stands, shop fronts, public broadcasts, etc. have higher standards? I'm not calling for a return to the Victorian Age but we could still do a better job protecting our young children. They deserve the opportunity to be just children... free from the bombardment of sex and violence so prevalent in our modern age.

 

Self Censorship is a beautiful thing. The individual selects the standard by which they will conduct their lives. Satellite and cable television offer parental controls... every television set purchased within the last 19 years in my country has had the capability to selectively block even over-the-air content based on its rating category. Internet and digital radio also have similar capabilities. In addition, there are nightclubs, liquor stores, and other venues not frequented by children that would offer excellent opportunity for more mature advertising. Books, magazines, and other media and products not sold to children that also afford advertising opportunities. Advertisements have always targeted their audiences. It would be no different to reserve more racy ad campaigns for those places outside the innocent view of children. Where children are present, I am confident witty and engaging ad campaigns can effectively serve their purpose without resorting to such damaging tactics.

 

I know we are all different and would draw the line on acceptable public behavior just as differently. That said, compromise is possible.

 

In regards to the Heinz commercial. I'm not even sure I'd call it homosexual. I interpreted it to mean any mom can be serve up professional deli quality using the product. We saw the mom as a stereotyped delicatessen professional, the family saw her as just mom... comical, but not sexual. I think it was great for Heinz to throw that out there and test the waters. Slowly, our social sensibilities are evolving and soon enough we won't be holding different groups to different standards. I have no problem with public displays of affection... it's when they are public displays of lust and passion where I personally draw the line regardless of sexual orientation... and yes, the "Skins" poster falls into the later category. Get a freaking room! Children are present!

 

I think a lot of people see the commercial as a {censored} couple with children.... maybe I'm odd, but I saw it as "with Heinz "stuff" you have a New York barber in the kitchen, instead of a "normal wife"."Am I totally odd for seeing it this way?

Of course not. You hit the nail squarely on the head.

 

In a free society, people are allowed to be unsophisticated, socially irresponsible, fearful, and ignorant.... just as we are free to tell them so. I don't know what is more comical, the commercial or all those who missed the point entirely?

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Nothing, if I was viewing it. I'd have problems with a 5 year old viewing it.

 

In this day and age of technology, do we really have to clutter every corner of our lives with sex and violence?

 

 

A 5 year old child has no problems with two man kissing like in the advert

 

and thats the way it should be.

 

just like a 5 year old has no problems when a man and a woman kissing.. its just an innocent kiss

 

its no porn

 

people who have problems with two men kissing are ignorant and disciminating.. are homofoob and promoting violance agains {censored}

 

:P

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Wow! That would stir up the preachers here in Texas so bad that in their haste to run home and write the boycott Heinz sermon they'd rush out the motel room and forget to pay the hooker.

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Paranoid Marvin
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A 5 year old child has no problems with two man kissing like in the advert

 

and thats the way it should be.

 

just like a 5 year old has no problems when a man and a woman kissing.. its just an innocent kiss

 

its no porn

 

people who have problems with two men kissing are ignorant and disciminating.. are homofoob and promoting violance agains {censored}

 

:rolleyes:

 

I think he was referring to the Skins 'orgy' poster :D

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In a free society, people are allowed to be unsophisticated, socially irresponsible, fearful, and ignorant....

 

And that can turn into a disaster. We have been discussing something pretty innocent here, but when an entire Nation (Italy) can be brainwashed, can't think with their own brains and vote into power a government of dangerous fascists and mafiosi, that is a serious matter.

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" Homophobia in the UK alive and well"

And always will be. Everywhere.

 

people who have problems with two men kissing are ignorant and disciminating.. are homofoob and promoting violance agains {censored}

 

If your kind ever took over America, there would be a civil war. You can quote me on that.

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

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" Homophobia in the UK alive and well"

And always will be. Everywhere.

If your kind ever took over America, there would be a civil war. You can quote me on that.

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

What is wrong with 2 men kissing, anyway? Does it damage someone, does it cause the national debt go up? Tell me, what?

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What is wrong with 2 men kissing, anyway? Does it damage someone, does it cause the national debt go up? Tell me, what?

 

Like I said. {censored} are a minority. You can't stop people commenting on your activities anymore than you can stop La Raza saying that they are the "God Race", that wants to kill all Gringos with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

 

It always has, and always will be.

 

I don't like {censored}, and I don't like Mexicans. There is nothing you, or anyone can do about it. There are a lot of people that don't like a person because they have a towel on their head. The government is responsible for that, and I personally have nothing against them. But I stand where I always will stand.

 

You can lobby your government all you want, but it won't stop anything, and will lead to resistance.

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" Homophobia in the UK alive and well"

And always will be. Everywhere.

If your kind ever took over America, there would be a civil war. You can quote me on that.

If you don't like it, then LEAVE. Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

 

That "hole" is one of the most civilized countries in the world: the Netherlands. It is my understanding he has always lived there.

Instead of worrying about totally meaningless issues, shouldn't you worry much more about issues like the one I describe in post #10? People are totally brain-dead and they could vote back into power a new Hitler (and they did, they voted for G. W. Bush in your country and for Berlusconi in mine).

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Like I said. {censored} are a minority. You can't stop people commenting on your activities anymore than you can stop La Raza saying that they are the "God Race", that wants to kill all Gringos with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

 

It always has, and always will be.

 

I don't like {censored}, and I don't like Mexicans. There is nothing you, or anyone can do about it. There are a lot of people that don't like a person because they have a towel on their head. The government is responsible for that, and I personally have nothing against them. But I stand where I always will stand.

 

You can lobby your government all you want, but it won't stop anything, and will lead to resistance.

 

 

I think you are wrong

 

there always has been, in every society, a elite who sets the standaard for the ordinary people

 

a elite who sets the standaard!

 

 

an elite who says:

 

Women are equel to men and should be able to vote

-> Women's Voting Rights

 

 

 

a elite who says:

 

racial discimination is wrong, black and white should have the same rights

 

->abolishing racial discrimination

 

 

 

a elite who says:

{censored} discimination is wrong

-> anti-discrimination laws, {censored} rights , Same-sex marriage

 

 

Its a future, you can;t stop.. its going to happen, and its happening right now.. for example same-sex marrriage ( spain, canada, south africa, california, Massachusetts, the netherlands, Belgium etc)

 

it can't be stopped

 

{censored} rights(human rights) are the future

 

You are an echo of the past

 

But i am happy that you responded in this topic... you are the best advocate for {censored} rights

 

really

 

thank you so much!

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Exactly. And it is because of Johan's worshiped elites. The same elites that lied to get the sheeple to go into Iraq.

 

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypi...nica-Moment.htm

 

I like johan, but I am afraid his ideas are a bit mixed up. Very rarely "elites" have granted rights to others. Rights have been obtained through lengthy fights. He should remember that {censored} people in his country have been fighting since the end of WW2 to get where they are now.

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I like johan, but I am afraid his ideas are a bit mixed up. Very rarely "elites" have granted rights to others. Rights have been obtained through lengthy fights. He should remember that {censored} people in his country have been fighting since the end of WW2 to get where they are now.

well, in my country it has been the liberal - social democrate elite who has lead the way for {censored} rights (both right /left winged)

 

i am not talking about the conservative-cristian elite.. like bush(republicans)

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I like johan, but I am afraid his ideas are a bit mixed up. Very rarely "elites" have granted rights to others. Rights have been obtained through lengthy fights. He should remember that {censored} people in his country have been fighting since the end of WW2 to get where they are now.

Replace the word "elite" with "visionary" in Johan's post and it might make it clearer for our purposes. In a sense, visionaries ARE elites. It's just semantics, really. Don't let the word throw you, he made a valuable point.

 

We all just do our best to communicate our ideas. Ideas are never fixed and continue to develop. They shift with our moods. There are times of crystal clarity and others when nothing makes sense. Writing them down, speaking them... it's just a stationary snap shot of a moving target. It's hard to convey them in the proper spirit and context.

 

It really does seem a bit silly we keep visiting the {censored} topic. I cringe at the word "{censored}" when talking human rights. I love {censored} people. Jon says he hates them. And, if I recall, Alessandro is one. Again, semantics are getting in the way of properly conveying the context and spirit of the debate. No fanfare, endorsements, or special treatment... just the extension of all rights and privileges spread evenly to all without addendum or caveat. A society that can allow for the unequal application of law can never adequately guarantee the continuation of those rights and freedoms that law is intended to provide.

 

To Jon I would say, allowing homosexuals the right to exist openly with equal rights and dignity isn't going to change anything for you. There is not going to be some cataclysmic breakdown in the fabric of society. Things will go on as they always have. Those newly endowed with equal privileges will continue doing what it is that they do. We will continue to do what it is that we do. Don't be so worried. This type of social evolution has happened many times in many places. Have you been to Canada or Massachusetts recently? How about Spain? Nothing. Church choirs are still singing. Children are still playing. Moms and dads still go to work. Students are still studying. People shop. People laugh. People cry. Babies are born. There are funerals, christenings, bar mitzvahs, communions, weddings, feasts, and festivals. There are no wild public orgies or bands of homosexuals menacing the neighborhoods. No explosion of perverted displays of public affection. No recruitment boards. Nope, life just marches on like it always has... with one small but profound exception. The arbitrary application of law has been, in no small measure, curtailed thus quietly securing the rights of all that much more. I don't expect you to agree with them or accept them but do yourself a favor and begrudgingly extend to them what you yourself enjoy. That way, somebody else will be less able to come along and take it away from you. It's called covering our collective ass.

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Actually I have never said that :)

One of us! One of Us! :|

Regardless, Alessandro is a admirably strong supporter of {censored} rights and human rights in general. When I fist joined Insanely I was by no means 'anti-{censored}' but I wasn't necessarily in support of {censored} rights. However because of posts in the Real Life subforum (particularly by Alessandro), I now find myself much more tolerant and accepting.

 

While I don't consider the {censored} rights movement to be of the same magnitude of the racial civil rights movements, (yes, I side with Obama on this :P ) I do think that they are very important when working towards a better society. There have always been homosexual people, and there always will be. Why degrade and discriminate against others?

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One of us! One of Us! :)

Regardless, Alessandro is a admirably strong supporter of {censored} rights and human rights in general. When I fist joined Insanely I was by no means 'anti-{censored}' but I wasn't necessarily in support of {censored} rights. However because of posts in the Real Life subforum (particularly by Alessandro), I now find myself much more tolerant and accepting.

 

While I don't consider the {censored} rights movement to be of the same magnitude of the racial civil rights movements, (yes, I side with Obama on this :D ) I do think that they are very important when working towards a better society. There have always been homosexual people, and there always will be. Why degrade and discriminate against others?

 

What makes you think that any government can give you any kind of "rights"?

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