djet Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 And yet most of the world doesn't even have access to the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxjthefirst Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Yeah right! Like NDAs can keep people from talking. Most corporations have problems keeping secrets even those that are actually internal. And yet most of the world doesn't even have access to the internet. Just what I was thinking. I spent half my life (I am 31 now) without internet access and then some with only dialup access. "It's the end of the world as I know it and I am fine with it." - REM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special-K Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 It's "It's the end of the world and I feel fine." If you're going to quote something, get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 It would be almost-virtually-impossible to stop the internet. The Internet was developed on a concept and the concept did not change. It would just rebuild again, and again, and again. I hope you are right, but such a powerful "tool" for freedom is annoying an awful lot of powerful people, and I am sure they'd go to any length to stop it if there is a chance at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raven_hell Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 "The Year The Internet Ends" could only happen if the ISP's and the governments join forces to combat cybercriminals and take some profit with it. Things like Estonia mass cyber-attack in May 2007 and other CyberTerrorism attacks can end with he internet as we know it. More capacity to prevent and respond to cyber-threats will recuare more control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Child porn, chat rooms, child predators, etc. KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE!!!!!111!!! That will be how the internet is shut down. My personal guess anyway. What these people don't realize is that they are parents, and they can prevent all of this by BEING A PARENT and keeping track of their child's actions (while not breathing down their neck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 This cannot be right! ISPs are still earning big bucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 This cannot be right! ISPs are still earning big bucks! They want to earn MORE big bucks, they also don't want to/have the ability to upgrade the speeds and bandwith of their networks, so they will forcibly limit our bandwidth, charge us more, and not upgrade their infrastructure, looks to them like they will make plenty of money this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheSavage Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 According to their plans. In the event of a "national emergency", which is actually martial law, and "continuety of government", what they will do, is bring down the root servers, and bring up an "Internet 2", using IPv6. It will a centeralised network, with centralized servers. You will, if you want a website, have to pay a private company for a subdomain. You won't be able to run any servers unless you are one of the elite.Think, the internet with nothing but myspace.Thats the so called "Internet 2". At a time when we are being brainwashed daily by the media, at a time when television is shit, the internet as we know it now is the only hope of freedom we have.Thus yes, if we lost it the world would become a much worse place. You are correct on such a scale so large that you have no idea HOW right you truely are. We are living in an age in which the general public would rather listen to their TV, than their neighbor, or community member. If someone says anything other than what their TV tells them, they say it doesn't exist. Truely 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 According to their plans. In the event of a "national emergency", which is actually martial law, and "continuety of government", what they will do, is bring down the root servers, and bring up an "Internet 2", using IPv6. It will a centeralised network, with centralized servers. You will, if you want a website, have to pay a private company for a subdomain. You won't be able to run any servers unless you are one of the elite. Think, the internet with nothing but myspace. Thats the so called "Internet 2". I would love to know how you can see a conspiracy in Internet2 and IPv6, please, share this information with us, as you seem to be the only one that 'knows' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheSavage Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 I would love to know how you can see a conspiracy in Internet2 and IPv6, please, share this information with us, as you seem to be the only one that 'knows' Read their documents that refer to "centralised servers used for web content". Its up on their consortium site. I'm too lazy to google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Read their documents that refer to "centralised servers used for web content". Its up on their consortium site. I'm too lazy to google it. Don't be stupid, you can't centralise the internet, not in the way you are saying, then it would just be a server, not the internet. The internet is centralised in other ways anyway, the fact that all traffic goes through certain nodes and data centers. You will, if you want a website, have to pay a private company for a subdomain. Wow, I've been doing that for the last 4 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonTheSavage Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Don't be stupid, you can't centralise the internet, not in the way you are saying, then it would just be a server, not the internet. The internet is centralised in other ways anyway, the fact that all traffic goes through certain nodes and data centers. Wow, I've been doing that for the last 4 years.... The DNS root servers ARE centralised. On a Google-type scale, yes, httpd could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaar Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Silly me. I really thought www stands for 'World Wide Web'. If any of those 'predictions' ever come true they'll have to rename the internet to wwaw (world wide american web). Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being anti-US just for the sake of being it. It's just a blunt reality that most of those 'multi-nationals' have their headquarters or at least some roots in the good ole US of A. The scenario sounds like a nightmare, but I think there will always be smaller independent entities hosting and supporting smaller and so-called niche sites. Despite all globalisation, the demand for independent content has never ceased to grow over the last 10-15 years. It would be commercial suicide for the fat cats to totally steam roller everything. On the other hand, in order to push this through, all governments would have to agree on virtually fascist methods on a worldwide basis. Mind you, there are still plenty of countries in this world where you can say what you think without fearing serious sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 I think many ISPs have shown this is possible, just look at the Chinese ISPs and many of the Middle Eastern ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cain. Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Paranoid nonsense. The girl's got beautiful, huge eyes tho... PS: If you wanna know why it won't work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I think many ISPs have shown this is possible, just look at the Chinese ISPs and many of the Middle Eastern ones. In Italy they have began cutting your bandwidth if you use p2p protocols (and some of them say so officially, with the excuse that they have to save bandwidth for "normal uses" ). So who decides what a "normal use" is? They or the paying customer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaar Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I think many ISPs have shown this is possible, just look at the Chinese ISPs and many of the Middle Eastern ones. You're referring to national control and censorship in media and the political repression of 'inappropriate content' which is enforced into all aspects of life in certain countries. As I mentioned, those are totalitarian government-enforced practices. Those methods will be extremely difficult to get through in many other countries, as it would be anti-constitutional. Anyway, this is not the issue. The issue is about private companies pushing their commercial content over any other content, be it commercial or not. I'm also not sure if the issue is about those arbitrary practices of certain ISPs in certain countries, for instance capping bandwidth according to opportunistic 'rules' that can change any minute. I agree, that's a grey zone and somewhat dodgy too, as it seems like it's violating service contracts. Anyway.... To be honest, I'd rather have a slow, capped, neutered... internet connection with true free speech than a fast one with gigabytes of commercial rubbish and irrelevant, filtered, sugar-coated pseudo-information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 You're referring to national control and censorship in media and the political repression of 'inappropriate content' which is enforced into all aspects of life in certain countries. As I mentioned, those are totalitarian government-enforced practices. Those methods will be extremely difficult to get through in many other countries, as it would be anti-constitutional. Anyway, this is not the issue. The issue is about private companies pushing their commercial content over any other content, be it commercial or not. I'm also not sure if the issue is about those arbitrary practices of certain ISPs in certain countries, for instance capping bandwidth according to opportunistic 'rules' that can change any minute. I agree, that's a grey zone and somewhat dodgy too, as it seems like it's violating service contracts. Anyway.... To be honest, I'd rather have a slow, capped, neutered... internet connection with true free speech than a fast one with gigabytes of commercial rubbish and irrelevant, filtered, sugar-coated pseudo-information. But at the end of the day, they are essentially the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxjthefirst Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 It's "It's the end of the world and I feel fine." If you're going to quote something, get it right. No I was right. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_the_...nd_I_Feel_Fine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cain. Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I don't know the situation in Canada and the US, but in Europe small companies can always sell internet access with almost competitive pricing in the 1-5 MBit/s bandwidth-range. If any company were to cut down on content, users could switch to one of these for a price premium of perhaps 5-10$ a month, which would in turn force any ISP to offer unrestricted access. Plus: There is no way all major providers would restrict their access - matter of fact, anti-trust-laws would probably even prohibit doing so - and every company would have a huge incentive not to join such an alliance (once again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solaar Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 But at the end of the day, they are essentially the same thing. If that's truly the case in your country then be afraid. Be very afraid. Alternatively you could always go and do something about it. Private entities like companies can be boycotted, sued, strike, put under political pressure, you name it... With governments, once letting totalitarian ideas creep in and once established, that'll be a bit difficult - unless you have a direct democracy where major decisions are subject to public vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 If that's truly the case in your country then be afraid. Be very afraid. Alternatively you could always go and do something about it. Private entities like companies can be boycotted, sued, strike, put under political pressure, you name it... With governments, once letting totalitarian ideas creep in and once established, that'll be a bit difficult - unless you have a direct democracy where major decisions are subject to public vote. You are right, and I have already begun. I have been building what I like to call a "Cultural Nexus" for some time now. It contains media (Technical Documents on how to build things [solar panels, flywheels, computer programming, engineering, etc.] As well as Movies, TV Shows, Art, Pictures, Documents [Constitution, Sociological papers, Scientific Journals, etc.], Video Games, Computer Games, etc.) All of it Commercial free, and most of it intellectually stimulating. I am learning how to produce my own power, run my car on alternate fuels, etc. I am doing what the government refuses to do. I am opting out of society if it doesn't get its act together, and I offer the courtesy of cooperation with those who feel the same way who live in my geographical region (Bellingham, WA). My actions have no financial motive, I do not care about something as trivial as money. My actions reflect a reaction to the ignorance and inaction which has invaded this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 My actions reflect a reaction to the ignorance and inaction which has invaded this country. Not only your country, my friend. Mine is feeling like a fascist dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special-K Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 No I was right. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_the_...nd_I_Feel_Fine) No dude, you weren't. You said 'It's the end of the world and I am fine with it.' The end of that is completely wrong. I was listening to the song as I read it (yea I know, it freaked me out). http://www.lyricsdownload.com/rem-it-s-the...ine-lyrics.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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