Darrious Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I'm having a problem with my PC running Leopard. As I've done some searching I realize that the vanilla kernel is not compatible with Pentium 4 PC's. The issue I have is that because I can't use the vanilla kernel I'm not able to keep it from freezing up. I did a test last night, and every other time I booted up OSX it just froze up on boot. I did this about 6 times. I unplugged hardware and that did nothing. Someone said it might be because Tiger was able to run 32-bit systems and Leopard has trouble running 32-bit systems so that's why there is the vanilla kernel. Others have said that if I use iATKOS with the r2 ppf patch then I'll be able to run it just fine. The only issue I have is that I'd rather not have to create another disk with the patch within the iso, and when I used iATKOSv1.0 it did not install correctly, so I used Kalway's version of 10.5.1 and that worked fine. If there is a quick fix for this then I'd be very appreciative if you wouldn't mind to help help me with this or lend your opinion on this. -Thanks My PC Specs are: Model: hp Compaq dx2000 MT Processor: Intel Pentium 4 Processor 2.8 GHz, 512 K/1 MB L2 cache, 533 MHz FSB RAM: 759MB SDR Chipset: Intel® 865GV Graphics Card: EDIT: Nvidia GeForce 5200 HD: 111 GB (M)aster (B)oot ®ecord IDE Western Digital Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
inimicus Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 RE: Kalyway install. Did you select the SSE2 system option at install? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-653797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yes I did, but it still seems to freeze up just randomly. I selected VGA->nvinject 5200, 6000, 7000 (i think that's what it's called) and SSE2. I've even tried without SSE2 and still same issue. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-661285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
guardian_10 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Try this. If your CPU supports SSE3, do not select the SSE2 and the vanilla options. Also, do not select any drivers whatsoever. See this works. When I had the P4 3.0, I followed this routine using kalyway's 10.5.1 and it worked for me. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-661407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Okay, I'll try it tonight. I hope it does work. I'd rather it not crash on me every other boot Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-661496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 11, 2008 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 I tried it, and it still comes up with the error. I know that the maker of Leo4All and Jas says they tested it and it works fine on their versions. So I hope that it soon comes out of BETA for both of them and that eddie11c will release it to the public soon. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-662823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 I really don't want to bump, but this has been an issue for me for weeks now, and it hasn't let up a bit. I've tried netkas kernel 9.2.0, tohkernel, vanilla kernel, 10.5.2 update package, and iATKOS 10.5.1r2 version and still nadda. I'd appreciate it if someone possibly has an answer. I thought that the netkas kernel might be my answer, but that did nothing at all. It still freezes up. Whenever I'm working or sometimes just booting up it will freeze. A problem that I thought might have been gone after three weeks of trial and error, I thought that possibly it might be fixed by now. I will not give up on Leopard though. If I must I will go to Tiger, but I know that this is only a Leopard problem, and that other people have gotten their P4(Pentium 4) to work with it. Thanks, Scott Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-681094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trxDraxon Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I am also running a P4 system and have been unable to get Leopard installed. I have only tried the Kalways 10.5.1 dvd. I think my problems may be due to my IDE burner not sure, going to be switching around hardware this week from my other machines. If I chose GUID in efi(and also make the partition this way) I will always get an error at the end of the install no matter what kernal I try. But if I chose MBR(and remake the partition as MBR) then the install goes just fine but on the first reboot I get the blinking cursor. Ive tried Gparted to check my boot partition and it was fine. Also tried using using Gparted to boot to the first partition and MBR of my first drive and I would get some chainloader error. I have been running 10.4.9 flawlessly but wanted to try out leopard but not having much luck getting it installed. For referance my test machine is a: Dell Optiplex GX280 P4 HT 2.8ghz 3gigs of ram 2 160gig SATA HD's samsung IDE dvd burner nvidia 7300GT intel pro nic card Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-681217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 I would try it with no EFI selected and when it reboots keep the DVD in and don't press any buttons and tell us what happens. It if freezes up on you with the second or third reboot, or if it just freezes up whenever then stay here and join the club . If you have the time though I'd get a copy of Leo4All 10.5.2, it is said to work amazingly well. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-681275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trxDraxon Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Well I tried several more installs last night after swapping around hardware. Swapped out my 2 160gig SATA HD's for 1 500 and swapped my IDE DVD burner for a SATA one. Tried installing without EFI, would install but on first reboot still got the blinking cursor. Tried Vanilla, SSE2 and default kernels again with EFI and install would still crash at the end with the error =/ Back to 10.4.9 I guess... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-682008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trxDraxon Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Darrious I just sent you a message but for everyone else I was able to get Leo4All 10.5.2 to install perfected on my P4. Though I did the system updates and now its in a reboot loop but hey it installed and I was able to get it running right ;P So if you are having trouble getting leopard installed on a P4 system try Leo, seems to work great. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-683031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 26, 2008 Author Share Posted March 26, 2008 I might try that, but as I said in my PM, I would hopefully want to get this up asap, and not have to download Leo4All. Cause right now I need a stable system for projects I'm working on and some people are getting nervous about me having an unstable system. Is there anyone who wouldn't mind extracting the mach_kernel with Pacifist(http://www.charlessoft.com/) and putting up an attachment here for it, or a PM, I'd really appreciate it. Also, if possible could you possibly extract some packages that might benefit or be helpful to my Petnium 4 or just the hacked Leopard in general. Thanks, Scott Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-683501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Guerreiro Posted March 26, 2008 Share Posted March 26, 2008 Darrious....Tell me something....do you have Overclock on the cpu or other component in your system?? I ask this because i have a P4 3,2 HT on a 478 socket mobo and with leopard 10.5.2 perfectly installed and working but there is one thing that leopard doesnt like at all...OVERCLOCK! It hattes it.... My system had that problem too and after i got the system to default it just got normal.... Its a shoot in the dark..... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-683548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 I wish I could overclock it, but I've honestly never tried that before. Maybe I just need to get a 10.5.2 version, because it seems to me that people have had AMAZINGLY great success with 10.5.2 versions, and especially Leo4All. I'm going to try the Leo4All kernel, and the EFI/Bootloader later tomorrow so I'll post up my success. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-684455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 I have a Pentium 4, and not only have SSE3, but I am able to load 64-bit apps just fine. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-684464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Really. What's the version of Leopard you're running? And what's your specs? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-684899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Specs are in my signature. Version is the Kalyway 10.5.1 DVD, updated to 10.5.2 via the Kalyway combo update. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evi...ragon/64bit.jpg Incase your wondering, the "630" on my Pentium 4 spec means it's the Prescott 2M core. These are Intel 64 capable chips and have SSE3.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-684906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 My processor is this. Is this the same as yours? http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 Just knowing it's a Pentium 4 isn't enough. There's many different Pentium 4's. Get the SSPEC number from yours.. it's SL something usually, and it's printed on the CPU itself. That tells the whole tale of your CPU. EDIT: I forgot the completely easy way. If your in Windows, download and run CPU-Z, and take a screenshot... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 Here's the images and the link to my SSPEC number. http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL7K9 Cpuz1.tiff Cpuz2.tiff Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 While yours is a prescott like mine (though mines a Prescott 2M), it doesn't seem to register itself as having 64-bit (EM64T), so either your motherboard doesn't support 64-bit, or somethings up. I also notice it doesn't make mention of voltage either. It shows as an F series Prescott, so it should have 64-bit. Seems like the board doesn't like it. I notice NX bit is missing too. Make sure your BIOS has these options enabled if it has it, especially the NX bit.. Where was that screenshot taken from? Doesn't look like Windows, looks more like OS X's X11.. EDIT: Ok, something doesn't add up. Boot into Windows, not WINE, as it seems you are using, and run CPU-Z again. CPU-Z reported you as having a F series, but your SSPEC number says otherwise, and something REALLY odd is going on right now.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 While yours is a prescott like mine (though mines a Prescott 2M), it doesn't seem to register itself as having 64-bit (EM64T), so either your motherboard doesn't support 64-bit, or somethings up. I also notice it doesn't make mention of voltage either. It shows as an F series Prescott, so it should have 64-bit. Seems like the board doesn't like it. I notice NX bit is missing too. Make sure your BIOS has these options enabled if it has it, especially the NX bit.. Where was that screenshot taken from? Doesn't look like Windows, looks more like OS X's X11.. EDIT: Ok, something doesn't add up. Boot into Windows, not WINE, as it seems you are using, and run CPU-Z again. CPU-Z reported you as having a F series, but your SSPEC number says otherwise, and something REALLY odd is going on right now.. Yes, I'm running it on OSX in Crossover. That's probably why everything is not being shown up. And apperantly based upon this: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_nu...rt/pentium4.htm I do have a 64-bit capable processor. Who knew? Also, what kind of system and steps etc. did you have to go through to get yours up and running? As you might know I've got Kalyway 10.5.2 and that seems to not be working so well. Yet, right now I've booted it up like 4 times in the past 2 days, and it seems to not have frozen up. This has happened before, but I would really like a REAL fix rather than something that looks like it's fixed. -Thanks for all of your help so far Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Wait, I don't think ANY of those CPU's are yours. Your SSPEC number isn't really showing me anything like I hoped, which makes sense now since it's OEM. I really want to CPU-Z from a Windows OS on your system... I had no special steps. It ran like a real mac without any fits... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrious Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 I'll see if I can't Parallels working tonight and get windows with cpu-z running. Post specs later. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakemon Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 No, boot into Windows, no virtualization or anything, Windows needs to be the host, not the guest, otherwise CPU-Z isn't very accurate. At this point, I think it's the lack of NX bit support that's getting you in trouble, as Tiger doesn't need it. While I can boot without NX on my system, others aren't so lucky... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91655-leopard-wont-work-on-pentium-4/#findComment-685991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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