mtotho Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Ok, it is everyones goal to use vanilla kernel.. but what is the big deal? I feel Vanilla kernel is limitting, there are hacked kernels that unlock much more features. Sure its good to have a computer that is "compatible" with vanilla kernel.. but why not use a modified? You could still do updates.. the worst that would happen is your modified kernel gets overwritten.. but your computer is "compatible" so it wont matter. I took a quick look at the wiki page.. couldnt find anything specific. I am sure this topic has been discussed before.. but i am just a bit confused. So are there any specific benefits by using the Vanilla kernel? Do more programs/applications work with them? is the system overall smoother? I use the vanilla kernel and i am seriously considering use a speedstep/sleep kernel.. but i want to get an opinion before i do so. thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTL Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 interesting question.. would follow this thread. I also use Vanilla... not sure what the value of a hacked kernel is. I like my install as vanilla as possible personally since I want it to play well thru timeinteresting question.. would follow this thread. I also use Vanilla... not sure what the value of a hacked kernel is. I like my install as vanilla as possible personally since I want it to play well thru time Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ongeloof Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Although you can still get updates, with vanilla, you get them when they are put out by Apple. It is just easier to have everything compatible, and don't you think it is fun having OS X on a PC, and making it think it is a Mac. I have to reassure my hackintosh every now and again, that although it is not Apple beautiful, it is still pretty. Though only a mother could love a PC... Think Mark Randomness..... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtotho Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 thanks for ur feedback.. althought you did not exactly answer my question What exactly does it effect? My build is 100 percent compatible with vanilla.. i use it now. I am up to date and everything. What do you mean I cannot get updates right away? And again, Does it cause compatibility with programs, apps and whatever without vanilla kernel? Would you definately reccomend vanilla over a kernel which would give me more feature, features that i want to use, (sleep, speed step, correct reportings of hard ware, etc etc.) @ltl, ur post was a little confusing.. but ok. Also.. i dont care at all.. but one of these days you are going to get a message from a moderator saying to reduce the size of ur signature.. length wise. (i did.. i reduced it just enough) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddy69 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 The only real advantage is that you MIGHT be able to do OS X updates directly from Apple. It's by no means guaranteed, however. I've seen many reports of folks with 10.5.1 Vanilla and EFI GUID, and yet the 10.5.2 update broke their system. AFAIC, as long as the system runs and is stable, I don't care what kernel I'm using. I'm still using 10.5.1 and have no plans to go to 10.5.2. I'll wait for the next round of installers - 10.5.3 or 4 or 5 or whatever before I go thru this again. It isn't broken, so I'm not trying to fix it! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
InorganicMatter Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I use it so I can use Software Updates. I can safely install everything except major updates without fear. The only real advantage is that you MIGHT be able to do OS X updates directly from Apple. It's by no means guaranteed, however. I've seen many reports of folks with 10.5.1 Vanilla and EFI GUID, and yet the 10.5.2 update broke their system. The only reason 10.5.2 broke systems was because it updated the troublesome AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement kext, and deleted dsmos. Other than those two, 10.5.2 posed little trouble. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtotho Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 I am pretty sure non vanilla users could update(not 10.5.2.. no one can).. the only reason it is trouble some is because in some cases it may over right ur hacked kernel.. which under normal circumstances would brick an install.. but not if ur system is compatible with vanilla. I am not worried about updates.. I am worried about other problems. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddy69 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Like I said, you MIGHT be able to do updates directly from Apple, but using the Vanilla kernel is no guarantee. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I had the vanilla kernel and I used Kaly's 10.5.2 combo update + kernels + Leopard Graphics Update to successfully update to 10.5.2. I used the 9.2.0 vanilla kernel for a while and it was OK other than the fact that shutdown and restart didn't work properly. I then got netkas's patched kernel with shutdown fix and installed it and everything works great I can do any update from Apple Software update and it doesn't matter if my kernel gets overwritten with a vanilla version cause my system is compatible with vanilla kernels anyway! Just my Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtotho Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 alright good to know pcwiz. Which kernel would you reccomend.. My restart and shutdown dont work.. but i would like sleep and speedstep. I will check out netkas tho. edit: looks like netkas can do those things, i will go install it now. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrupted Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 If you want sleep, the speedstep kernel CANNOT do it. You can't have both at the same time[for now I'd guess]. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtotho Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 yea i saw that. Here is my problem. I downloaded the speed version of netkas kernel. i dont know exactly how to install kernels.. so i did it the bootleg way. pico .hidden .. unhid the vanilla and machkernel Didnt know exactly which kernel i was using.. so i renamed the new sleep kernel "vanilla" and "mach_kernel" then i replaced them by means of drag and drop. Then i repaired permissions in the terminal using chmod and chmod 644 or whatever. I restarted and i still cannot sleep. How should i be installing this kernel? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korrupted Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 That's exactly why you can't sleep. I just said the speed version CAN'T sleep. get the non speed version. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-651857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtotho Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 lol i meant sleep when i said speed. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/91277-what-exacty-is-the-point-of-vanilla-kernel/#findComment-652075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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