zazman Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I have to change my graphic card (actually a ATI radeon 7500) to have full core image and quartz extreme support into osx 8F1111g. Will I have more chance to have full support into OSX 10.4.3 8F1111g with these cards ? witch one would you take between : - AGP ATI 9600 XT - AGP sapphire 9600 Pro - AGP ATI 9800 Pro Does the AGP ATI 9600 XT work too with full core image and quartz extreme support without patching OSX (works out of the box) ? Will the memory range 128 or 256 Mo change the full OSX support ? Will a sapphire radeon (ATI chipset) have the same support into osx 10.4.3 ? Does the AGP 8x matter with an AGP 4x motherboard ? Thanks a lot for your help. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I have to change my graphic card (actually a ATI radeon 7500) to havefull core image and quartz extreme support into osx 8F1111g. Will I have more chance to have full support into OSX 10.4.3 8F1111g with these cards ? witch one would you take between : - AGP ATI 9600 XT - AGP sapphire 9600 Pro - AGP ATI 9800 Pro Does the AGP ATI 9600 XT work too with full core image and quartz extreme support without patching OSX (works out of the box) ? Will the memory range 128 or 256 Mo change the full OSX support ? Will a sapphire radeon (ATI chipset) have the same support into osx 10.4.3 ? Does the AGP 8x matter with an AGP 4x motherboard ? Thanks a lot for your help. Many questions. -First a 9600 works for me in OSX86 but I readed that not all ATI cards are working (test before buying). -128MB or 256 makes no difference (except few % more speed) -A AGP 8X card will work in AGP 4X mode if the MOBO can't AGP 8X (the difference is only few %) -A ATI card is a ATI card, I don't think a sapphire card is very different from others. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 You have to plan and think about the future. Are you dedicating the agp card for Mac or do you want to use it for windows and linux as well (dual boot)? Do you care about fps when gaming in windows? Do you care about what memory are used on your agp card? OEM or "Built by ATI" are much better than 3rd party card such as Saphire. OEM cards usually have higher quality memory chips which includes lower memory timing, higher quality transistors and capacitors. The 9800 Pro also has QE and CI support. The only problem is that the maximum res on my setup is 1280x1024x32. I guess you you also have to research on what exactly is support on the next seed of Intel OS X. Lets's see what happens when the official release of Intel OS X. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazman Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 You have to plan and think about the future. Are you dedicating the agp card for Mac or do you want to use it for windows and linux as well (dual boot)? Do you care about fps when gaming in windows? Do you care about what memory are used on your agp card? OEM or "Built by ATI" are much better than 3rd party card such as Saphire. OEM cards usually have higher quality memory chips which includes lower memory timing, higher quality transistors and capacitors. The 9800 Pro also has QE and CI support. The only problem is that the maximum res on my setup is 1280x1024x32. I guess you you also have to research on what exactly is support on the next seed of Intel OS X. Lets's see what happens when the official release of Intel OS X. I will use XP /OSX and madriva 2006 I do not play games and need an AGP graphic card for 2D only applications... home studio, and classical usability of a home PC. So, I want to buy a not expensive card, for an actual 17' CRT screen and after for a flat 19' screen... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I will use XP /OSX and madriva 2006 I do not play games and need an AGP graphic card for 2D only applications... home studio, and classical usability of a home PC. So, I want to buy a not expensive card, for an actual 17' CRT screen and after for a flat 19' screen... So maybe the 9600 is a card for you: low-cost (60-70€), working in XP and Linux (my 9600 works in Suse 9.3 & Suse 10) and supported by OX86. Just take care what resolution this card can provide in OSX86 before you buy an flat screen (the resolution of the screen should be the same as the ATI card can provide) P.S: I know you are not a Gamer but many Games are working with an ATI 9600 (UT2004, Postal2 and Ennemy Territory in Linux) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 If you have no prereqs for gaming or advanced hw requierments, then I also think the 9600 is the one you should get. I know theat the 9800 and above are closed source so if ATI doesn't have a change of heart, no further driver support is available by the open source community. I think the 9600 is open source. If so, then further driver developement can be implimented for both Linux and OS X. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 If you have no prereqs for gaming or advanced hw requierments, then I also think the 9600 is the one you should get. I know theat the 9800 and above are closed source so if ATI doesn't have a change of heart, no further driver support is available by the open source community. I think the 9600 is open source. If so, then further driver developement can be implimented for both Linux and OS X. For the 9600 I also have to install the latest closed source driver in Linux. Strange: after an online update ( ATI 9600 and Suse 9.1, 9.3 or 10), I have to reinstall the driver each time (fall back in VESA) to get 3D again Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelhydra Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 For the 9600 I also have to install the latest closed source driver in Linux.Strange: after an online update ( ATI 9600 and Suse 9.1, 9.3 or 10), I have to reinstall the driver each time (fall back in VESA) to get 3D again Any of these two cards allows monitor to enter standby mode? I was thinking of purchasing a 9600XT (i don't play games) but if it doesn't allow to enter standby mode it's useless, i hate pressing the on/off button everytime i go away. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazman Posted January 9, 2006 Author Share Posted January 9, 2006 I just find an ATI 9600 pro in a shop of my town, but the only problem is that it's not an ATI built, but a POWER COLOR built. Did people here report problem with ATI power color built products ??? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 For the 9600 I also have to install the latest closed source driver in Linux.Strange: after an online update ( ATI 9600 and Suse 9.1, 9.3 or 10), I have to reinstall the driver each time (fall back in VESA) to get 3D again AFter a disto update or a normal update? I run Debian (Ubuntu), and I have to recompile my kernel every time I upgrade to a new kernel. Otherwise i'm stuck at mesa mode. So I learned, unless I have to, not to upgrade the kernel everytime a new kernel is released. @zazman, PowerColor is as cheap as you can get as far as "Powered by ATI" is conserned. Don't plan on doing anything fancy on it. Otherwise, it will do for cross platform operation. chelhydra, standby mode will work on any graphics crd whether on Linux, Windows, or whatever OS you run. But for OS X, don't count on it untill Aplle finishes the ATI driver development. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 AFter a disto update or a normal update? I run Debian (Ubuntu), and I have to recompile my kernel every time I upgrade to a new kernel. Otherwise i'm stuck at mesa mode. So I learned, unless I have to, not to upgrade the kernel everytime a new kernel is released. At every kernel update. Since I have my 9600, i used 3 distros (Suse 9.1,9.3 & 10), the same problem everywhere. Now I'm doing updates only every 3 month and reinstall the driver directly after it (5 minutes). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-40868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbb Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 For the 9600 I also have to install the latest closed source driver in Linux.Strange: after an online update ( ATI 9600 and Suse 9.1, 9.3 or 10), I have to reinstall the driver each time (fall back in VESA) to get 3D again You can use the drivers from dri project (r300) which are better than closed source ones if you are not going to use your card for gaming, also they support composite extension Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/6571-ati-agp-9600-or-9800-pro-or-se-with-8f1111g/#findComment-41906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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