Vista is a "BETA"

[spclffred]

Ok this goes out to all the Vista haters, First of as all the forum Moderaters have stated, vista is a beta, im going start off my saying this im an msdn subscriber, ive tested each and every build of vista, im now waiting on build 5259 or 5262, now the final UI for vista is no where near what is going to look like, the whole glass effect thing is to give us a sneak peak at what winFX will do, yes the boot loader is now annoying for most of u noobs, but if u like any of us guys and gals who have multible operating systems ud learn how to get rid of one and use another, instead of using bad language and saying it sucks read about the OS before u use it, even keep it installed just to see how great it actually will be, Windows vista has a new network stack and a new audio stack, which is definetly needed, there is one thing right now that i dont like which should have been worked around or removed is windows registry, and that is my only problem with windows, now my theory is that all u noobs are trying vista BETA and starting a new topic and callign it VISTA sucks just to have something to complain about or flame about, but please read between the lines goto neowin, or aeroxp.net or something read more about before flameing thanx

[Kerpal]

Here here! I'm sick of reading posts by whiney {censored} complaining about the quality of a beta OS that they haven't paid anything for anyway!

[VaiOSX]

It's not Vista who sucks, it's simply Micro$oft.

 

If you like to promote Big brother business, it's up to you.

 

I don't want to buy a computer and use only 60% of the CPU for my own use, while 40% left are used by adaware, anti-virus, firewall, spy-bot and all kind of crappy software.

 

Did you know Vista is just a Puzzle Skinned like's XP ?

 

Have a nice day

[spclffred]

It's not Vista who sucks, it's simply Micro$oft.

 

If you like to promote Big brother business, it's up to you.

 

I don't want to buy a computer and use only 60% of the CPU for my own use, while 40% left are used by adaware, anti-virus, firewall, spy-bot and all kind of crappy software.

 

Did you know Vista is just a Puzzle Skinned like's XP ?

 

Have a nice day

Ok first of the only reason why there are an abundance of adware and virus's and spyware for MS products is because most of out society uses windows, its what most ppl learn how to use, so coders and hackers take atvantage of that, and the reason ppl get them is cause they just dont know how to maintain the MS os period, dont get me wrong i dont love Windows, im just saying its more widely used, any and all OS's have there flaws, I like Mac too, but i promise u Vista will be better, And i wasnt talking about Windows in general on this topic i was talking about ppl bitching about a Beta, so u kinda went off topic to start yet another flaming topic.

 

PS goodday

[VaiOSX]

and all OS's have there flaws

 

Lol, Windows is not only the most widely used OS, it is also the most flawed one.

 

Do you know the "three little pigs" story ?

[zhLilDoggi]

I was waiting for this topic. I mean, c'mon people, your bashing the OS when its in the freaking beta stage!

[blahsucks]

The argument that Vista is just a fancy skin on XP is total BS. The outside appearance may not be impressive to a user after getting past all the effects, but things like WinFX and Avalon are vast improvements over XP.

[MitchBomcanhao]

I don't want to buy a computer and use only 60% of the CPU for my own use, while 40% left are used by adaware, anti-virus, firewall, spy-bot and all kind of crappy software.

lol its just noobs that fill up computers with adware and stuff like that.

any smart person knows how to avoid it

 

[VaiOSX]

Sure,

 

You just buy a Mac

[Mactelman]

It's not Vista who sucks, it's simply Micro$oft.

 

If you like to promote Big brother business, it's up to you.

 

I don't want to buy a computer and use only 60% of the CPU for my own use, while 40% left are used by adaware, anti-virus, firewall, spy-bot and all kind of crappy software.

 

Did you know Vista is just a Puzzle Skinned like's XP ?

 

Have a nice day

It is NT kernel 6. It's a lot different from Xp.

[Eggman]

Okay. I'm sure I'm the one that pissed you off for my topic "Vista Sucks." Since the mods closed it, I never got a chance to apologize, so I'll do it here. Vista is a great operating system, even for its Beta stage. I was just mad about the bootloader. When I was using it, I thought it was really good, and I'm sorry!

[xtraa]

There may be some good things in vista, but put it on the balance, and see that it (i am sorry) imho still

sucks. there are some things that wont change in the final. btw. I would be glad to have a reason to like it,

because I really want dualboot. Now why does it suck for me? If you take a closer look, VISTA is in my

opinion far away from being anything like great:

 

1.

 

I don't know if you heard of "PUMA", the "Protected User Mode Audio" in Windows-Vista. This audio Engine

goes from kernel to User mode. Nice but deadly. This, and the PVP-OPM, aka. "Protected Video Path -

Output Protection Management", takes control over everything, what is going in and out of your box. Including

PCIe Bus, to prevent hdtv copies. It will crypt any kind of digital audio, that goes in or out of your

beigebox, to prevent piracy. That means, If you work with a digital out, you may have a big problem, even if

you are legit. Yes, remember kids, don't copy that floppy.

 

2.

 

I also hate this thing for being a big monster, crying for new hardware and using most of its power for useless

(and thats the difference to osx) effects. This eyecandy stuff... let's take the transpirancy effect, that Apple

already took away a few OS versions ago, because it lacks on useability. See how amazed you will be, if you

have 10+ windows opened on the desktop. Its like WTF? Something Microsoft never did understand is,

that the eyecandy options in OSX are not only because of the w00t-effect. They have functions. If you see the

VISTA effects especially that 360someting windows spinnig, this seems to me like a poor attempt of graphical

overkill.

 

3.

 

And the security upgrade. Would it be unfair, to compare the risks by counting the numbers of viruses

available? In OSX, nearly no one has a VirScan installed, because it would simply scan some air, while vista

has already been shipped with a trojan.

 

Yes i know "the only reason why there are an abundance of adware and virus's and spyware for MS products

is because most of out society uses windows, its what most ppl learn how to use, so coders and hackers

take atvantage of that" right, this is too bad but it does not make anything better. If I know that I am the

target, well what would i do? I would do the things that microsoft missed to do.

 

Also I know they made huge improvements, but every n00b will still be automatically set up as admin.

Instead of fixing this, lol, they let you run it now with lower rights. Sometimes less would be more.

 

4.

 

Now last thing is, that I like to have control about my content, e.g. my music, videos and all that stuff I spend

some of MY money for. We do not know, what can be hacked in Vista. Microsoft was talking about very safe

and flexible options for developers. Yea, thanks for that, first things first. I don't know, why I should looking

fortunately to an OS that has its priorities set on DRM and not useability. Ok, we could say, OSX is up to

DRM, too, especially iTunes etc. But here I have a solution, where everything seems to fit, and in the

summary thats ok for me then.

 

But you know, try to put for example VeriSign to your Outlook account. or see what happens, if you drag

some marked text from any app onto your desktop in vista, and then in OSX. The difference is, that Apple

made it good to the last detail, and also permanently stays in touch with their users.Few weeks ago I read in

a weblog and the guy there mentioned something about Safari that should be fixed, and one week later, they

fixed it with the next upgrade. With Microsoft, you will have to wait till next patchday, even if you have a

monster exploit. Not talking about useability, this will maybe appear in a next servicepack... if ever.

 

So thats why i think it sucks. And now nuff said, pleas don't take me wrong, I will also try vista when its out

there, but I am not too hopeful that it will fit my expectations.

 

I click on Start, to End my session and switch over to osx when the time is right

[DrJägermeister]

Are you guys paid from M$ that you make publicity for Windows in a OS X forum?

[defylogik]

It's not Vista who sucks, it's simply Micro$oft.

 

If you like to promote Big brother business, it's up to you.

 

I don't want to buy a computer and use only 60% of the CPU for my own use, while 40% left are used by adaware, anti-virus, firewall, spy-bot and all kind of crappy software.

 

Did you know Vista is just a Puzzle Skinned like's XP ?

 

Have a nice day

 

HA the days of a virus free mac os are quickly dwindling, once the intels are released. macs have stayed away from the virus scene because of a sheer lack of user base. most likely not anymore. what kind of viruses will be able to affect your mac system on a dual x86 / windows install. hrm

[witzer]

yet another endless microsoft bashing thread. there was one thread titled "why vista sucks" that was already closed. here goes another one. why isn't anyone mentioning linux as compared to osx? shouldn't that be more fun to explore?

[other]

OK,

 

Vista is only 33% or so done at Beta 1.

 

We are not paid to say that windows doesn't suck, the people who illegaly download it and think "No difference" are the people who should reconsider what they are saying.

 

Was windows 98 really that different at first glance from windows 95?

[spclffred]

OK,

 

Vista is only 33% or so done at Beta 1.

 

We are not paid to say that windows doesn't suck, the people who illegaly download it and think "No difference" are the people who should reconsider what they are saying.

 

Was windows 98 really that different at first glance from windows 95?

Exactly, but the little things that make vista far better than xp are there but not noticeable to the pirating noobs out there.

[DrJägermeister]

Exactly, but the little things that make vista far better than xp are there but not noticeable to the pirating noobs out there.

LOL

[Mactelman]

I ask, how is Microsoft the monopolizing monster. Apple is the one that wants you to use their hardware as well as their os, and their built in media apps, while using their digital media device. I'm fine with both companies, as they both make very good products (both far better than linux IMO), but Microsoft is far from the only one monopolizing.

[AppleLegal]

The outside appearance may not be impressive to a user after getting past all the effects, but things like WinFX and Avalon are vast improvements over XP.

AFAIK, WinFX isnt finished yet and is not included in Vista, and Vista is still using NTFS