The Lotharian Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Hey guys, appreciate all the hard work. I, for one, would probably give my left nut for Apple to release OSX to the vanilla PC world, but since that'll never happen, thanks for your efforts (which have allowed me to keep my gonads intact). Ok, enough with the pleasantries, on with the show... First time installer. Dumping image onto a brand new HP Pavilion a1250n, with the following specs: - AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2GHz Processor - 1GB PC3200 RAM - 250GB Sata Hard Drive (not in use for this install) - 16X DVD+/-RW and 16X DVD Drives - ATi Radeon Xpress 200 - 120GB WD IDE Hard Drive (currently installed on) Install was extremely slow, but my patience was rewarded. After a long night, system installed. The only problem is that it takes forever to boot. Right now, I'm sitting at a pale blue screen with only my cursor to keep me company. Any suggestions welcome & greatly appreciated, more than happy to give any additional info needed, just ask. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hey, wanted to let you know I got it to boot, but still slow. iTunes works, not sure on the Rosetta end. Plugged in my NTFS formatted USB drive, and it picked it up like a champ. Everything's working, except for sound, but no worries, I'll be getting an external sound card tomorrow. More suggestions? I saw some folks saying something about measuring disc performance, but I don't know how to get that one done. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealRemnant Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Get xbench from www.xbench.com Run the hard drive benchmarks. Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do to make that system go faster. You're at a dead end with the ATI chipset. Its not supported by any known kext. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Thanks! Will do. I'm having some graphics issues (no preview), but I'm searching the forum now. I think my best bet is to get a better video card in the box. I'm also experiencing some weirdness when it comes to keyboards...the only USB one I had laying around was my old iMac USB keyboard, which works, but it locks up the machine at startup if it's plugged in (gotta wait for the spinner o' doom to come first before I plug it in). I'm wondering if it's because I've got the mouse and keyboard on separate USB headers or if it's something else causing the hang. BTW, without drivers, the Logitech MX 500 retains some of its features in OSx86, including scroll buttons and the wheel. Found the image preview -> run with rosetta thing. Guess I get to test two with one stone on this one. I'll give it a go after Xbench finishes up. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Here's my Xbench results: Results 56.34 System Info Xbench Version 1.2 System Version 10.4.1 (8B1025) Physical RAM 1024 MB Model ADP2,1 Drive Type WDC WD1200BB-22DWA0 CPU Test 30.01 GCD Loop 115.55 6.09 Mops/sec Floating Point Basic 83.15 1.98 Gflop/sec vecLib FFT 10.16 335.11 Mflop/sec Floating Point Library 70.54 12.28 Mops/sec Thread Test 143.51 Computation 100.73 2.04 Mops/sec, 4 threads Lock Contention 249.45 10.73 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads Memory Test 77.19 System 58.93 Allocate 156.93 576.29 Kalloc/sec Fill 45.94 2233.90 MB/sec Copy 43.91 906.98 MB/sec Stream 111.85 Copy 108.39 2238.83 MB/sec Scale 103.58 2139.92 MB/sec Add 120.31 2562.87 MB/sec Triad 116.70 2496.52 MB/sec Quartz Graphics Test 14.78 Line 23.77 1.58 Klines/sec [50% alpha] Rectangle 8.19 2.45 Krects/sec [50% alpha] Circle 8.64 704.11 circles/sec [50% alpha] Bezier 28.55 720.03 beziers/sec [50% alpha] Text 42.68 2.67 Kchars/sec OpenGL Graphics Test 40.78 Spinning Squares 40.78 51.73 frames/sec User Interface Test 9.35 Elements 9.35 42.90 refresh/sec Disk Test 3.00 Sequential 2.04 Uncached Write 1.69 1.04 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 1.78 1.01 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 3.26 0.95 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 2.00 1.00 MB/sec [256K blocks] Random 5.65 Uncached Write 5.43 0.58 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Write 3.18 1.02 MB/sec [256K blocks] Uncached Read 49.90 0.35 MB/sec [4K blocks] Uncached Read 5.27 0.98 MB/sec [256K blocks] Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Open Using Rosetta didn't work on Preview. Wondering what's up with that... Found out that it's a video card issue, so I'll wait until I get a different card. Had a theory...what if you used an intel IDE raid card in a box with an ATi chipset? Would you be able to disable the onboard IDE controller and take advantage of the intel kexts? Lemmie know if this is just a stupid question or whatever. Also, what new video card should I hedge my bets on? Nvidia or ATi PCIx, or should I just go find a old 'n' cheap PCI card that's in the HCL? Suggestions? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Also, what if I pushed off my current working image to an external drive? Would this help? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Open Using Rosetta didn't work on Preview. Wondering what's up with that... Found out that it's a video card issue, so I'll wait until I get a different card. Had a theory...what if you used an intel IDE raid card in a box with an ATi chipset? Would you be able to disable the onboard IDE controller and take advantage of the intel kexts? Lemmie know if this is just a stupid question or whatever. Also, what new video card should I hedge my bets on? Nvidia or ATi PCIx, or should I just go find a old 'n' cheap PCI card that's in the HCL? Suggestions? "Open using Rosetta" option only works on Intel Procs, you need to run manually with a command line or assigning a link or alias to a script shell. There is no RAID kext for any chipset, even RAID in PPC Mac are handled by Software and not by Hardware plus driver. About your slow boot, I have AMD 3500+ (SSE2) and it boots in 15 seconds, so chich Chipset do you have? About copy the image to an external disk, you can try an see if it boots faster. About Video Cards only Intel GMA900 has full support, although with my Geforce 6600 I have good scores, but I bet with QE and CI will be better. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 Ah, the difference in our two systems is definately the chipset. Mine says 'ATI IXP 400'. The whole what-if conversation really buzzed around my cohorts today...what if you were to push the image onto a 4gb CF card, and on and on. I'm really new to this, so if you could, either a link or an example would be appreciated on the shell script side. Also, any suggestions on how I'd go about mirroring my current IDE install to an external USB drive would be really handy. I'm currently clearing off my external, so after that I'm going to go hunting for the disc utility. Also, got hold of the Creative Sound Blaster 24-bit external, and it worked like a charm, iTunes is jammin'. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-24981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Ok, I'm lazy and stupid, so instead of cloning the drive, I just reinstalled the os. Eh, it took forever, but what do I care, I was sleeping through it anyway. External USB drive is running quite a bit faster than the IDE. I'm noticing some small glitches in iTunes, but I think it's because the system just hasn't hit its stride yet...I noticed last time that it ran faster each time it booted, pretty much. Now, the only thing left is to get a video card that doesn't suck. I saw a GeForce PCIx card for $159, I think I'll bite on it. Still interested about that link to the script shell, so if you care to inform, I'd appreciate it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-25082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 29, 2005 Author Share Posted October 29, 2005 Just thought you guys would like to know, Xbench scores are up to 8.64 from 3.00. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-25097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Changed enclosures for nearly double my last score (15.81), but I think my sound glitch in iTunes is because the sound card is USB and the drive is USB...sending to and from on the same bus might be the problem. I'm thinking about switching to firewire for two reasons...the first is what I've already mentioned, and the other is that (correct me if I'm wrong) Firewire supposedly has a better sustained data rate than USB. I'll post results after I'm done. Wish me luck, and still waiting on someone to discuss the shell script mentioned in an earlier post. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-25241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lotharian Posted November 5, 2005 Author Share Posted November 5, 2005 My bios sucks, will not boot to firewire drive. Well, this has been fun, but I'm going to go ahead and buy a proper chip & mb combo. End of current experiment... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-26592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSix311 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Well i saw this on google. I am really interested in getting this to work on leopard anyone know if it will? I have been trying a for a lil while. Keep getting waiting on root device. Ive disabled SATA already but it still does it, but a lil later in the booting process. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-844066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dare_u_all Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Try Dunes Ioata.kext chech which ICH_no. of your motherboard ; ICH4 or 5 or6 and add your id in it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/3876-slow-boot-troubles-amd-x2-generic-dvd/#findComment-916271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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