Stabi Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Hey forum, Since upgrading to Mojave, I am facing a strange issue and I am not sure if I narrowed it down correctly: My computer needs very long to POST and load Clover. I am booting from an NVMe disk and I can tell from the wild LED blinking on my PCIe to M2 adapter that it is reading furiously. Without that disk, POST is very quick. As this didn’t happen with High Sierra, I am thinking it must have to do with APFS and apfsdriverloader.efi (I used HFS+ before). My second computer, which is nearly identical does not have this issue, but it is booting from SATA. Is there anything I can do to troubleshoot this further or resolve it right away? Has anybody else had this issue? I currently use the following EFI drivers: Spoiler ApfsDriverLoader-64.efi AptioMemoryFix-64.efi DataHubDxe-64.efi FSInject-64.efi HFSPlus-64.efi SMCHelper-64.efi NvmExpressDxe-64.efi Thanks. Stabi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Run this app, and upload the file result here. RunMe Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2649965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Sure, here it is. Send me.box.zip Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Strange that in your file output, you use the macOS in a HDD. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockDown Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 remove NvmExpressDxe-64.efi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, ellaosx said: remove NvmExpressDxe-64.efi That was one of the first things I tried too, but it did not make a difference. I just gave it a whirl again. But it did not make a difference. 9 hours ago, Allan said: Strange that in your file output, you use the macOS in a HDD. Yes, I booted from my TimeMachine's backup EFI for the dump. That's because I am currently tinkering with my "real" EFI. I just acquired a 5k monitor, but OS X would only recognise it as two monitors. Had to switch to a MacPro6,1 SMBIOS and remove WEG to get it to work, which is less ideal. But that is for another thread. Would it maybe be worth trying to deactivate auto-scanning for boot entries and only have manually set up ones? Edited November 27, 2018 by Stabi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Stabi said: Would it maybe be worth trying to deactivate auto-scanning for boot entries and only have manually set up ones? This is a good idea. Try it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrydubbzz Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 ALLAN WHAT HAPPEND TO CHAT I JUST GET CHAT SERVER PAGE IRC INFO STUFF NEED TO GO IN NEED HELP WITH SOME THING WANT TO ASK SOME ONE WHO CAN PROBABLY HELP ME Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrydubbzz Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 ALLAN NEED UR HELP IF U CAN MADE OLD USB OF YOCEMITY LONG AGO NOT REALISEING SOMETHING IS CURRUPT IN THE USB N MADE IT READ ONLY TRYED TO REPAIR PERMISSIONS CANT IN STALLED YOCEMITY REPAIR PERMISSIONS IS GREYED OUT I TRYED G PARTED TO CLEAN THE USB SITCK NO LUCK WHAT CAN I DO Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Hello @perrydubbzz. Your post doesn't have anything related to the title of the topic. Please post in the proper place. In less than 1 min your post will be erased. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny76 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) What is your trim status? Recently I've noticed my boot time went down rapidly after disabling trim on my apfs ssd. Edited November 29, 2018 by denny76 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) @thread: I have been rather busy in the last days and hence haven't had time to add custom entries and turn off scanning. I don't know if I am imagining it, but it does seem POSTing and/or loading Clover is a bit faster now, even though I didn’t do anything. So probably just a figment of my imagination. @denny76: I don't think that is the issue. For one, it is not the actual boot process of macOS that is slow, but the time my system needs to arrive at the Clover screen. For another, I don't patch anything for trim, or have "trimforce enable" set, because the only SATA SSD in my system is for Windows. NVMe disks always have trim enabled. Edit: I am re-attaching an up-to-date output of RunMe.app. The last one might've been a bit weird in places due to me wrestling with AGDP and my Z27q. Everything is now back to normal though. Even though I doubt that there'll be meaningful differences in this dump. Send me Styx.zip Edited November 29, 2018 by Stabi Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2650460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I have exactly the same problem. Before I had High Sierra with HFS+, now Mojave with APFS. Here's what I mean: https://mega.nz/#!VJ41HQZZ!QcEqOIVOgwpvbKzkBh9vrJ1RIoDebE7t6T26-cpFj5Q I also boot from an NVME (Samsung) and don't have TRIM in Clover.plist, I don't have an extra SSD installed. It's a Gigabyte Z170x-gaming 3 mobo with a RX570 graphic card. I have the same EFI drivers installed except for NvmExpressDxe-64.efi, that one I don't have and I do have PartitionDxe-64.efi Clover is v4784 I noticed that two prebooters appeared after installing Mojave: filevault and install -- I hide them both: <array> <string>\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI</string> <string>preboot</string> </array> The GUI scan is as follows, it shows only MacOS, MacOS Recovery and Win10 (though Ubuntu won't show despite the Linux true setting--but that's for later concern): <dict> <key>Entries</key> <true/> <key>Legacy</key> <false/> <key>Linux</key> <true/> <key>Tool</key> <false/> </dict> The boot section is this: <dict> <key>Arguments</key> <string>keepsyms=1 dart=0 debug=0x100 shikigva=60</string> <key>Debug</key> <false/> <key>DefaultVolume</key> <string>LastBootedVolume</string> <key>Legacy</key> <string>PBR</string> <key>NeverDoRecovery</key> <true/> <key>NeverHibernate</key> <true/> <key>Secure</key> <false/> <key>Timeout</key> <integer>3</integer> <key>XMPDetection</key> <string>Yes</string> </dict> Any suggestions? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scj312 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 This happens to me as well when using APFS with High Sierra. My only solution was to revert to HFS+. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Unfortunately with Mojave we don't have that choice anymore... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scj312 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Benjamin Franklin said: Unfortunately with Mojave we don't have that choice anymore... I have Mojave installed on an unsupported Mac with HFS+, so it must be possible. Maybe we can trick the installer or image an install from an unsupported machine. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Like making a Carbon Copy from an APFS system and restoring it to a HFS+ formatted system? I understand that the parameter to run the installer to keep HFS+ has been removed for Mojave. Tricking the installer... that would be something else (and above my pay grade to figure out). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scj312 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 On 12/6/2018 at 5:15 PM, Benjamin Franklin said: Like making a Carbon Copy from an APFS system and restoring it to a HFS+ formatted system? I understand that the parameter to run the installer to keep HFS+ has been removed for Mojave. Tricking the installer... that would be something else (and above my pay grade to figure out). I installed Mojave on an unsupported Mac (using this) which caused the installer to use HFS+. I was able to use Disk Utility to restore that HFS+ Mojave install onto a USB drive. I was able to boot that drive with my Hack, so restoring that to an internal SSD would provide a proper HFS+ Mojave install. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2652848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Ok, I understand the workaround. But i still don't get it why APFS on my Skylake desktop is so slow booting to Clover and my Skylake laptop boots lightning fast into Clover. I replaced ApfsDriverLoader-64.efi with the actual APFS.EFI driver from my system and before Clover is shown I see this (see attachment). Note that this is NOT the regular output of APFS, that follows after the HDD light stops flashing (after the attached screen) and just before Clover is shown. Any Clover gurus out there that can shed a light on it? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2653263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 That is normal behaviour for apfs.efi. That is why back when we relied on it instead of using APFSDriverLoader, there were patched versions that suppress these debug messages. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2653334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stabi said: That is normal behaviour for apfs.efi. That is why back when we relied on it instead of using APFSDriverLoader, there were patched versions that suppress these debug messages. Ok, thanks. By the way, were you able to solve the slow post problem? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2653339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 No, I haven't. Manually adding entries to clover and turning off scanning did not help. It is sometimes not super slow currently, though. Just slow. I should maybe get a stopwatch and measure it some time. But I don't reboot often right now. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2653487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stabi Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 Not having time to deal with this issue at the moment, I restored my Mojave installation to a HFS+ partition via CCC et voilà, normal POST time. I randomly saw user Planet X say in the general clover thread that he uses 10.13.0's apfs.efi and it is way faster. If you still boot from APFS, maybe try a High Sierra version. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/336612-slow-post-due-to-apfs/#findComment-2654909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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