OryHara Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Found these on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7iUnP2bhNA...ted&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czgR76_M4fA&NR Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhsh8r Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 /rant !!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-149788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I agree, f*** copyright law... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-149837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 I have NO problem with the concept of copyright. However, I think it has been totally abused. Its original purpose is to let someome make a bit of cash in the beginning, and then let it be put into the public domain. However, now most things have some bs that is close enough to "forever minus a day", which is against the spirit of the original concept as put forward in the US constitution. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-150040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted July 25, 2006 Author Share Posted July 25, 2006 I have NO problem with the concept of copyright. However, I think it has been totally abused. Its original purpose is to let someome make a bit of cash in the beginning, and then let it be put into the public domain. However, now most things have some bs that is close enough to "forever minus a day", which is against the spirit of the original concept as put forward in the US constitution. Exactly. Copyright has been abused to the point to form monopolies, and has come to reak of facism, and tyrany. This is why I started to Copyleft all of my material and Images. To help set an example. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-150066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted July 26, 2006 Share Posted July 26, 2006 Why start this copyleft {censored}? YOU have the copyright to everything YOU make (there are exceptions, like fanfic, which is your original idea not owned by you because you're using copyrighted characters). As the copyright holder, YOU have the say as to what can be done with YOUR work. So copyleft is absolutely useless because it's already available under copyright law. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-150530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted July 26, 2006 Author Share Posted July 26, 2006 Why start this copyleft {censored}? YOU have the copyright to everything YOU make (there are exceptions, like fanfic, which is your original idea not owned by you because you're using copyrighted characters). As the copyright holder, YOU have the say as to what can be done with YOUR work. So copyleft is absolutely useless because it's already available under copyright law. Like in the video. Nobody really cares. People will copy whatever they want. If the MPAA doesn't provide it, people will provide it themselves. Everyone is free to copy and use my images in any way they want. Its Copyleft. I give you an advantage that Copyright does not. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-150538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Like in the video. Nobody really cares. People will copy whatever they want. If the MPAA doesn't provide it, people will provide it themselves. Everyone is free to copy and use my images in any way they want. Its Copyleft. I give you an advantage that Copyright does not. Many people do care, but they don't care so long as we sugar coat it with words like piracy. If you use words like STEALING (as in STEALING intellectual property), I'd bet more and more people would care. So until we stop sugarcoating things, more people will continue to not care. Also, you didn't understand what I just said. As the copyright holder, you have the right to release something to the general public. As a copyright holder, you dictate the terms of the copyright agreement. Again, let's not sugarcoat things by calling it something else. It's still copyright. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-150752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted July 28, 2006 Author Share Posted July 28, 2006 Many people do care, but they don't care so long as we sugar coat it with words like piracy. If you use words like STEALING (as in STEALING intellectual property), I'd bet more and more people would care. So until we stop sugarcoating things, more people will continue to not care. Tell that to all the Bittorrent, and Limwire users. Thats about %70 of the U.S. I don't think anyone gives a damn about copyright but those who hold copyrights, and then claim that everyone in the world are thieves. In fact, when my isight arrives. I'm pulling a 'Andy Rooney" about copyrights, P2P. the **AAs, and Bittorrent, on youtube, and google video. Its gonna be called "You know what burns my ass." Gonna do stuff about slow drivers, drunk drivers, SUVs, Windows users, and all the bad stuff out there. etc... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-151394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Look, I pirate things, download them, "steal" them, whatever all the time, however, if there is something I like, I actually buy it, I must have 150 dvd's, all of which I would have never known about or seen, had I not downloaded it first, I seriously think that most people will buy something if they like it, and if the price is reasonable, for example, i love star trek, but I havent bought that many star trek dvds, since they are so unreasonably priced, Stargate sg-1 on the other hand is only 30 dollars a season, so I grab that sucker right up. I really dont think one should have to pay the copyright holder for a couple of clips from one of their shows on youtube, that really is lame. Also, what do they expect? They dont offer the service of downloading, and if they do, its mega low quality at a premium price, if one pays the premium price it should be HD quality, not questions, not 640 x 480 {censored}. When I can download the pirated episode faster and at better quality than the legitimate version, why not do that, and then buy it when it comes out on dvd two years later? Whats the harm? The movie studios just have to deal with delayed gratification for once in their lives, boo hoo. This really is a made up issue as well, is somebody gonna sit there and tell me that movie studios havent made an assload of money with the coming of DVDs? that they are infact Losing money? I think not. I know maybe one person who had a sizeable collection of VHS tapes, but pretty much everybody I know has a sizable collection of dvds, I guarantee that DVDs have increased sales immensly for these companies. And then when they have a bad quarter, its always piracy's fault, not the fact that they didnt have any good movies or music that quarter. Seriously, this issue is lame, and its a made up problem... In my closing statement, piracy isnt the problem, its a symptom of another problem, overpriced movies, overpriced tickets, overpriced content, when you charge an unreasonable price for something, people are going to and SHOULD steal. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-151439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Nonny Moose Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 In my closing statement, piracy isnt the problem, its a symptom of another problem, overpriced movies, overpriced tickets, overpriced content, when you charge an unreasonable price for something, people are going to and SHOULD steal. Stealing software doesn't quite fit the "I can't afford it but I need to feed my hungry family" model. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-151672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OryHara Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Stealing software doesn't quite fit the "I can't afford it but I need to feed my hungry family" model. Take this make believe situation into account. I want to learn how to use Final Cut Pro, Soundtrak Pro, Shake, and others and other software to develop my job skills, and get a job working in that area. I come from a poor background, and am paying off collage loans, and will be for the next 15 years. Why would I go out and pay $8,000 I don't have, and never will, for a peice of software, then another $200 for a book that tells me how to use it? I can buy a good used car for less than 1/6 that price. Where do you stand? F500, or the working Joe who wants a job? Stealing? You still can sell the same software, so what was stolen? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-152431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 It must be nice to have a super flexible morality that says what other people do is wrong, but when you do it yourself, it's okay. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-152433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 It must be nice to have a super flexible morality that says what other people do is wrong, but when you do it yourself, it's okay. I dont, I think its perfectly ok for other people to pirate, if the price is unreasonable, seriously though, I have no problem buying anything, anything at all, but it has to be reasonable, im not talking about starving family here, but you wouldnt pay 10,000 dollars for an intel celeron computer, so why pay 20 dollars for a movie that could be easily sold for 10? its the same thing, just on a smaller scale. Again, if its reasonable, i ABSOLUTELY DO BUY IT. its not a matter of flexible morals, thats intact just fine, its just, different morals Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/22308-telling-it-how-it-is/#findComment-153575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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