nano2nd Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Reported here, here and here.. Intel look to be prepping the launch of a new eight (8!) core Xeon processor at the International Solid State Circuits Conference in SF next month. Reported to be the Nehalem EP processor and manufactured with the cool 45-nanometer process. Likely to be known as Xeon X5560. TechRadar did some benchmarking of a dual processor EP-based rig back in November 2008. Samples used then ran at 2.8GHz, with launch models expected to run at 3.2GHz. All this makes for a very interesting prospect of a 16-core 3.2GHz Mac Pro - given more credence by this report on HardMac via Aquamac of a new design MacPro with new specs. Exciting!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabriciom Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Any clues on the pricing? Would love to see this replace the current 8 core mac pro for 2.000€.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1062340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think there are two things being confused here. First, what Intel plans on talking about at ISSCC is an 8 core xeon. It plans on providing details of this processor, not launching it. I don't expect this processor until the end of 2009 or 2010. In a two socket configuration, this would be a 16 core / 32 thread machine. Second, we don't even have the 4 core / 8 thread xeon processors yet (only the desktop versions so far). These will be launched and released sometime over the next couple of months. These can be used for an 8 core / 16 thread machine. I'm hoping for a new Mac Pro at this time. I think I've also seen mention of a 6 core version coming as well, which would make a 12 core / 24 thread machine in a two socket configuration. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1062467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Shoveler Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 IMHO it's more likely the Mac Pro would go to a single CPU when the new 6- and 8-core chips are released. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1062490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.I.Ghost Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 6-cores nehalem? Nonsense! The only single processor die is a 4-core nehalem. Therefore 8-core configurations will be a "joint" of two quad-cores. So if Intel goes with their policy of not releasing "junk", then there will be no processors built with two quad-cores dies (with one core inactive in each die), making 6-core processor. I'm referring to same thing going with AMD. Making a good and working quad-core processor is a difficult task and sometimes one core ends up not working properly or inactive from the beginning, there is where AMD Phenom X3 comes (it is Phenom X4 with one "dead" core). Intel once stated, that they will not release their quad(triple)-core's in the same manner AMD does today. That is why i don't believe in a 6-core nehalem. There are though 6-core processors from intel right now (E7450, L7455 and X7460), but those are resembled of three dual-cores Wolfdale(correct me if i'm wrong) dies. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1062812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHAWKs Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 The New MacPro's would be Based Around Intel Nehalem Gainestown DP server 4 Cores Per CPU Dual Socket 8 Cores 16 with Hyperthreading 6 Core CPU with 12 cores with Hyperthreading will be the Nehalem Successor Westmere I think we will see a New Mac Pro by the end of March just in time for the 1Q or Q2 April and if the New MacPro is A dual Socket i think the Price Will be Over 3,000$ i dont think apple can do anything about the Price Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1063109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firechild Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Really cool news, but if the dual 8 core macpro:s will show up in April 09 they won´t be cheap... A single high performance quad i7 system is already in line with the current macpro prices Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1063855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I disagree, I think they will probably cost the same as the current Mac Pro's. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1064326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I disagree, I think they will probably cost the same as the current Mac Pro's. I hope you are right, Synaesthesia. Then I'd consider buying one with just one CPU, to begin with. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1064342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well $2000-$2800 is still a decent chunk of change! We will see...hope they include the 4870! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1064399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Well $2000-$2800 is still a decent chunk of change! We will see...hope they include the 4870! Indeed it is! Here it would be like 2000 Euro, which is even more. But probably good value for money. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1065449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladthebad Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 The chips were announced months ago... there are even pricelists available, and motherboard pictures from all the major server board makers. its not 8 cores... its FOUR cores... each one hyperthreads. Exactly like a Core i7, except all 5500 series Xeons have two QPI links for dual socket use, AND they ALL use the faster QPI speed that the Core i7 965 extreme edition uses. (And ECC support on the memory controllers) Go look at the chips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_futur...microprocessors AND you have 2 sockets... 4(8)+4(8) = 8 cores, 16 threads. On a board like this: http://resources.iopanel.net/news/computex...lltrail/sk7.jpg Yes, thats dual socket 1366... tripple channel DDR3 for each socket, 18 total ram slots. Slot config on that particular board: IPMI (lights out server management) PCIe2.0 x8+SEPC (extra power connector for riser board) PCIe2.0 x8 (most likely x4 electrically) PCIe2.0 x16 (x8 electrically) PCI-X133, PCI-X133, PCI-X133, UIO (PCIe2.0 x8, but offset to share slot with last PCI-X133, components are on the "wrong" side of a UIO card, normal x8 card will work, but the back panel slot won't line up) Most gainestown platforms (Thats dual socket 1366... basically an X-58 board with 2 sockets, and twice the memory bandwidth) will have 36 PCIe 2.0 lanes from northbridge, plus ICH9R/ICH10R southbridge. Possible northbridge combinations are: x16, x16, x4 x16, x8, x8, x4 x8, x8, x8 ,x8 ,x4 Southbridge will contribute up to 7 PCIe lanes... so up to an x4, x1, x1, x1 (that x4 can be linked with a northbridge x4... but on server boards most likely will not be, since an onboard SAS controller, or onboard PCI-X bridge normally uses 4 or 8 lanes. The high end chips are going to be expencive, the lower end chips should make for some interesting platforms. I expect apple's configurations to not change much... other than each core would hyperthread and show up as two, and the memory cards would likely contain 6 or 9 slots each. Another option is for the memory cards to go away altogether, or to possibly see two larger cards... with memory and a processor on each card. Its likely the Xserve will have an optional 9400/9600 chip on the board as well. (Mac pro might even have it, depending on if Apple considered the advantages of having a 9000 series geforce as "Standard" hardware on all macs to be used by OpenCL or for OS acceleration purposes in the future) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1065646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaE-V Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Lol right when i get my 8 cores up and running here comes 16 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1066869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panarchy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Frickn' awesome. Who want to donate a 16-core 3.2GHz MacBook to me? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firechild Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 The chips were announced months ago... there are even pricelists available, and motherboard pictures from all the major server board makers. its not 8 cores... its FOUR cores... each one hyperthreads. Exactly like a Core i7, except all 5500 series Xeons have two QPI links for dual socket its not 4 cores...its EIGHT cores... each one hyperthreads...gives you 16 threads... dual sockets, fanfar 16 cores, 32 threads Edit: I am probably wrong... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 its not 4 cores...its EIGHT cores... each one hyperthreads...gives you 16 threads... dual sockets, fanfar 16 cores, 32 threads I find it really funny, how an article that says Intel will talk about their strategy for putting 8 cores on a socket, gets blown out of proportion to Intel is launching 8 cores in a socket. Intel's roadmap for 2009 only shows 4 cores on a socket processors this year, with Westmere (which has 6 cores on a socket) at the end of the year, meaning end of 2009. There are no 8 cores on a socket processors on the roadmap for 2009, so if you guys are waiting for Mac Pros with 16 cores and 32 threads, you will be waiting a long long long time. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firechild Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I find it really funny, how an article that says Intel will talk about their strategy for putting 8 cores on a socket, gets blown out of proportion to Intel is launching 8 cores in a socket. Intel's roadmap for 2009 only shows 4 cores on a socket processors this year, with Westmere (which has 6 cores on a socket) at the end of the year, meaning end of 2009. There are no 8 cores on a socket processors on the roadmap for 2009, so if you guys are waiting for Mac Pros with 16 cores and 32 threads, you will be waiting a long long long time. yeah, I saw it now... I couldn´t be more happy myself, recently bought a skulltrail rig... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 yeah, I saw it now... I couldn´t be more happy myself, recently bought a skulltrail rig... And that is a very nice rig. congrats Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladthebad Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Intel IS going to do 8 cores on a socket..... but its socket 1587 or something... its the 4 socket board socket..... You know, the replacement for the current 6 core dunnington chip that are like $2000+ each..... Xeon MP stuff.... not Xeon DP. Xeon DP... is gainestown Xeon MP... is beckton, and will never be seen in a mac pro. Apple might put it into a "Xserve Mega" or something starting at like $15000..... buts it not very likely. The only way I can see apple using a Xeon MP chip, is if some major customer really wants it and is willing to place a large upfront order, or if apple decides they want to have a wider line of enterprise servers, and use someone elses board, just with EFI instead of BIOS. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1067937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Intel IS going to do 8 cores on a socket..... but its socket 1587 or something... its the 4 socket board socket..... First, I never said Intel will not do 8 cores on a socket, they will, and you're right, that's the Beckton chip, on socket 1567. It's not in the 2009 roadmap, so to expect it, in the next refresh of the mac pro, is folly. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1068789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ajob Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Is that the one called Nehalem-EX ? Nehalem-EP is close for the new Mac Pros and I think starting to become available but Nehalem-EX will be a while away unless Apple really do have some extra special deal with Intel Seems next week at the International Solid State Circuits Conference 2009 that Intel might reveal "An 8-core 16-thread enterprise Xeon® processor has 2.3B transistors in 9M 45nm CMOS. The I/O links use per-lane TX and RX compensation to enable operation up to 6.4GT/s. Vertical and horizontal spines keep the uncore clock skew under 19ps before engaging the compensation. Core and cache shut-off techniques are used to minimize leakage." (This is from page 22, section 3.1 of the programme for the conference) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1071383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ajob Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 If Intel do release this octo-core Xeon Beckton chip, on socket LGA 1567 (quad-socket) next week, then does that mean a total of 32 real cores and 64 effective software processors all on one mainboard? (8 cores, 16 threads per socket with hyper-threading). A fully populated board might even have 96MB of cache !!! Wow that would make one bad mutha hackintosh :censored2: But will it run Crysis ... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1071537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Nah! Maybe on medium... Wanna encode video on this baby ^ Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1072265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbmac Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 With a thread title like that, eventually you will be right Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1075095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da' Terminator Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 The 8-core chip is, indeed, the Nehalem-EX; the chip for 4-or-more socket systems. And, it's not due until late this year. The branding isn't set in stone yet, but will likely be "Xeon 7500 series" The dual-socket parts are coming "very soon", and are the "Xeon 5500 series". Note, however, that they use the same socket as the current desktop Core i7; but the desktop chips will not be able to be used dual-socket. (The reverse, however, *IS* possible. You can put a Xeon 5580 into an X58, single-socket LGA1366 board, assuming proper BIOS support.) Oh, and here is the new badge. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/150140-eight-core-xeon-out-next-month/#findComment-1077899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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