Alessandro17 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/e...?ref=technology Intel, the giant chip maker and longtime partner of Microsoft, has decided against upgrading the computers of its own 80,000 employees to Microsoft’s Vista operating system, a person with direct knowledge of the company’s plans said. The person, who has been briefed on the situation but requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of Intel’s relationship with Microsoft, said the company made its decision after a lengthy analysis by its internal technology staff of the costs and potential benefits of moving to Windows Vista, which has drawn fire from many customers as a buggy, bloated program that requires costly hardware upgrades to run smoothly. See also: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,3...62043152,00.htm Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Scissors Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Interesting though I dont think vistas that bad, saying that the really aren't any new features or technology that would make me switch my Parallels XP install. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Interesting though I dont think vistas that bad, saying that the really aren't any new features or technology that would make me switch my Parallels XP install. Well, I detest Vista because of all sort of reasons. The eye candy is "done wrong", it annoys me. For eye candy "done right" see Leopard or KDE4. Half of Vista services enabled by default are useless, if not annoying. People manage to streamline Vista to less than 1GB and yet have it fully functional. Personally I find that everything in Vista is lacking logic and coherence. I won't even mention that for several months after release Vista was extremely unstable, it would crash beyond recovery just because you installed an update or a new program. It was worse than alpha quality. Microsoft has a strange habit of promoting {censored} and "forgetting" about the good releases. I mean Windows 2000 and XP Pro x64. OT: I love your new sig Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_cute Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 This is the reason why people talk about Windows Vista: Still, Microsoft doesn’t seem to be suffering too much from the resistance to Vista by some large corporations. Microsoft says there are more than 140 million copies of Vista installed on machines worldwide. Consumers and small businesses simply get the operating system that is on a new machine when they buy a PC, and that is Vista. That statement is not a surprise... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefinalprophecy Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Well almost all new computers sold for the last year and a half have had Vista installed on them, aside from Dell which sometimes offers XP instead of Vista on their Small Business site. p.s I wonder if that includes bootleg copies installed lol Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDRacer48 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Wow! A human interest article... /sarcasm Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running With Scissors Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Well, I detest Vista because of all sort of reasons. The eye candy is "done wrong", it annoys me. For eye candy "done right" see Leopard or KDE4.Half of Vista services enabled by default are useless, if not annoying. People manage to streamline Vista to less than 1GB and yet have it fully functional. Personally I find that everything in Vista is lacking logic and coherence. I won't even mention that for several months after release Vista was extremely unstable, it would crash beyond recovery just because you installed an update or a new program. It was worse than alpha quality. Microsoft has a strange habit of promoting {censored} and "forgetting" about the good releases. I mean Windows 2000 and XP Pro x64. OT: I love your new sig Yeah I know I use TinyVista/XP when people want me to fix their computers for them, why Microsoft feels they need to add stuff just for the sake of adding stuff is beyond me. Microsoft should just employ the nLite team and people like eXPerience to give users what they want, which is a fast reliable operating system. Most people just want their computers to work reasonably well. When Im running os x on a Pentium 4 with generic and getting better results than an operating system meant for this machine is crazy. I can leave my Hack on for weeks and still have lightning fast performance than Windows. As soon as ReactOS is finished and we have a true open source alternative to Windows the better. The sig is a quote from Andrew Marr. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 well, if I've adopted Vista, I feel Intel should have the decency too with the economy in decline, why would they want to shell out so much money on licenses, for something that has no benefit? I myself don't need to pay for licenses, my uni has MSDNAA, but it must be a huge issue for a company that big.... OT - would it be fair to say, Alessandro, that you are an anglophile? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 As soon as ReactOS is finished and we have a true open source alternative to Windows the better. Unfortunately ReactOS development seems to be very slow. OT - would it be fair to say, Alessandro, that you are an anglophile? Well, in order to be fully British I need only a passport. Having spent about 15 years of my life in Britain, living as a Brit with the Brits, and having always disliked the country where I was born (these days more than ever), I believe I am more British than Italian. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
idividebyzero Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Every company does this with every new version of windows and they always will. Its not surprising. Eventually they will move to Vista then {censored} about Windows 7 for a few years. Places did the same with XP, which was bizarre since 98se was extremely unstable by comparison. I hope youre not saying XP64 is good... it has the worst program compatibility Ive ever seen and is just an all-around horrible OS with virtually no support. It lasted less than a week on my machine, it was a nightmare, barely anything worked and the stuff that did work didnt work very well. They took a server OS and tried to turn it into a consumer OS, the results were disastrous. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poco Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I have been running Vista since its release and I was also testing the beta's. Since the final version the only two crashes I had were from a buggy Intel graphics driver and not from a problem in the operating system. Half the people in the world think that Vista is bad because they don't know how to use it because they are not used to it or because someone else was not used to it and told them it was bad. Of course you will find compatibility stuff because for an OS to become better it has to change which requires programs to change. The software that is designed for the change of Vista runs smoothly and well. Not anything against it by me. iPoco Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-798997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Every company does this with every new version of windows and they always will. Its not surprising. Eventually they will move to Vista then {censored} about Windows 7 for a few years. Places did the same with XP, which was bizarre since 98se was extremely unstable by comparison. Business were using Windows 2000 or Windows NT 4.0 , not 98 SE. I hope youre not saying XP64 is good... it has the worst program compatibility Ive ever seen and is just an all-around horrible OS with virtually no support. It lasted less than a week on my machine, it was a nightmare, barely anything worked and the stuff that did work didnt work very well. They took a server OS and tried to turn it into a consumer OS, the results were disastrous. I had been using it for months, extremely stable and almost zero compatibilty issues, except that I had to use the built-in firewall and I couldn't make my USRobotics dial-up modem work. This was the only reason why I reinstalled XP 32-bit, because I needed dial-up connection. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Same with Vista x64. It's not great, but it blows the standard version out of the water from a stability and speed standpoint. Btw, just for sh*ts and giggles I just checked Quicken to see how many downgrades my partner and I did over the last 12 months. We did 215 Vista to XP downgrades (mostly laptops) at $75 bucks a pop. Yeah, people love it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 I found a funny comment to this story: I don't see us upgrading to Vista anytime soon. It unfortunately came pre-installed on the latest round of laptops and using it is about as pleasant as shaving with a cheese grater. Aside from that it doesn't really offer anything business-wise that we need either.No doubt we'll upgrade at some point but I see no reason to do it anytime soon, perhaps not even until Windows 7 is here. XP will still be the company standard. By Soulbender (real name: Lars Hansson, developer). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 The biggest complaints I hear from customers are: - I can't find anything... they moved everything - I just bought this laptop and it's slower than my old one - It's always bugging me to approve this or that and I don't know what I should and shouldn't approve - My xyz software doesn't work right anymore Now to a geek or seasoned computer user these problems are laughable and easily fixed/worked around, but to your average jane/joe who knows nothing about computers these things are frustrating, daunting, and sometimes expensive. These folks could care less how an operating system works, what its new features are, how secure it is, etc... they just want to be able to do the things they were doing before without hassles. My folks are a perfect example of this. They are hopelessly computer inept. When I lived in the same state with them it was easy to just drop by after work and fix any problems they had, now I live 500 miles away. At least once a week I'd get a call from them about something. "It won't connect to the internet... was working fine yesterday." "Your dad put some program on and now A or B won't work." "It's slow again! We didn't do anything, I promise!" "It won't turn on... it just has this blinking thing." Ad nauseum. Then they both got new Vista laptops. My god! They were calling me at least once a day for weeks. My old man got so frustrated that he stopped using the new machine altogether and went back to his old XP laptop. We I visited them I whiped Vista into submission for them and gave them a quick class. This cut the calls down to once or twice a week. Finally, I got sick of it. My folks are cheap, so I bought them both Macbooks for Christmas and took their new laptops and sold them on Craigslist. I spent a couple of hours with them explaining to them how to use a Mac. They literally never call me anymore with computer problems... never. Wait, I take that back. My dad did call me last month because his usb mouse stopped working. The problem: the battery was dead. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbetts Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 XP Pro x64. D: XP 64-bit was terrible! That's where issues with XP really started to kick up! But I have no issues with Vista, works better than XP did for me. Not a single crash so far besides ATI new 8.6 drivers. That's probably the only issue I've had with it so far. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 My folks are cheap, so I bought them both Macbooks for Christmas and took their new laptops and sold them on Craigslist. I spent a couple of hours with them explaining to them how to use a Mac. They literally never call me anymore with computer problems... never. Wait, I take that back. My dad did call me last month because his usb mouse stopped working. The problem: the battery was dead. That was a great idea. Personally I would have tried to format Vista and put openSUSE on their laptops. My sister is scared to death by the idea of having to buy a new laptop "because it would come with Vista" But then she went on saying "But I suppose I could use Linux instead". That is very odd, because till now she had always refused to use Linux Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-799916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 That was a great idea. Personally I would have tried to format Vista and put openSUSE on their laptops.My sister is scared to death by the idea of having to buy a new laptop "because it would come with Vista" But then she went on saying "But I suppose I could use Linux instead". That is very odd, because till now she had always refused to use Linux The thought of my mixing my parents and Linux is totally frightening. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/112866-intel-won%E2%80%99t-embrace-microsoft%E2%80%99s-windows-vista/#findComment-800345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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