Alessandro17 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/7587156 The first {censored} "marriage" has been carried out in an Anglican church between two priests, it has emerged. The Rev Peter Cowell and the Rev Dr David Lord exchanged vows at St Bartholomew the Great in the City of London last month. Although some clergy have carried out blessings for civil ceremonies before, this is the first time the traditional wedding marriage service has been held for a same sex couple. The Sunday Telegraph quoted the Archbishop of Uganda, the Most Rev Henry Orombi, as saying: "The leadership tried to deny that this would happen, but now the truth is out. Our respect for the Church of England will erode unless we see a return to traditional teaching." The news will renew bitter debate among Anglicans over the issues of {censored} priests and homosexual marriage. Under Church of England guidance, {censored} clergy can enter a civil partnership if they provide reassurance that they will abstain from sex. Couples who ask a priest to bless their union must be dealt with "pastorally and sensitively" on an individual basis. Anglican Bishops hold widely varying views on sexuality and the Church leaders have struggled to find middle ground. The Church was divided by the appointment of its first openly {censored} Bishop, Gene Robinson, in 2003. He exchanged vows with his long-term partner Mark Andrew, in a civil ceremony in America earlier this month. Mr Robinson has been excluded from the forthcoming Lambeth Conference, a key church gathering which is held once every 10 years and will take place in Canterbury next month. Sexuality is one of the topics up for discussion. Copyright © Press Association Ltd. 2008, All Rights Reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 who the hell cares? its not up to anyone else but them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 who the hell cares? its not up to anyone else but them A lot of people in the Anglican Church will care. Besides it is something you don't hear every day. That is why I posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 my point was they shouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 my point was they shouldn't In an ideal world, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 well, thats that one sorted then "Under Church of England guidance, {censored} clergy can enter a civil partnership if they provide reassurance that they will abstain from sex." .....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numberzz Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 California is still waiting for people to vote on {censored} marriage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 "Under Church of England guidance, {censored} clergy can enter a civil partnership if they provide reassurance that they will abstain from sex." .....what? Yes, that is a (bad) joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I can't decide if this is good or bad I don't like the idea of {censored} marriage, but then I don't believe in marriage in general. But many people do, and no one should have any restrictions in forming a bond with someone they love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 can I ask what you don't like about {censored} marriage Marvin? I understand your stance on marriage, what changes after the wedding day? nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Marvin Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 can I ask what you don't like about {censored} marriage Marvin? I understand your stance on marriage, what changes after the wedding day? nothing! Perhaps it's just because I watched the Sex and the City movie last night I don't like how marriage is tied to religion, as far as I am concerned, a civil partnership is fine for me. I won't be out on the streets protesting any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aduffbrew Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 To quote the measured and kindly response of a M. R. Winters on the Speaking of Faith web blog: {censored} marriage is the next phase of liberalization of culture - it is a next step of belief from the idea that former slaves are human beings, that women are able to think and vote and be in charge of their own reproductive choices. It is also the liberalization of culture that has said that children are people and not property (thus should be protected by the state if parents are abusive). Looking at the {censored} marriage issue in a historical context of more personal responsibility may be beneficial. It's not about promoting, endorsing, or condoning. It's about allowing others the same freedoms we ourselves enjoy. Look at the mess caused in places where diversity of thought and belief are strictly controlled. I don't know about you, but seeing others who believe and behave differently from me helps me better understand why I make the choices I do. It's pretty damn hard to be a good Christian (or whatever tradition you embrace) if that's the only choice you have! It makes the whole process mute. So please try to expand your minds and grow up. The extension of marriage rights is not the apocalypse. Letting others pursue their life, liberty and happiness how they choose only adds value to our own choices. Deny them that and you only deny yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 aduffbrew, please tell me that is a piece of sattire otherwise I need to go hide in a cupboard and avoid human contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djet Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Embio please tell me that those words are from a mindless lunatic because they make no sense.... =D Please explain why that is satire..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 It could be satire, its kind of the last thing I'm clinging to.... If not then.... wow. Evolution should pull its finger out and get to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djet Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Please refrain from Ad Hominem (I know it wasn't directed at me.) I think everything he said was good. Free thought? Liberty? Equal Rights? Sounds fine to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embio Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 oh I'm sorry!! nono you've got me wrong... I was referring to the quote: "{censored} marriage is the next phase of liberalization of culture - it is a next step of belief from the idea that former slaves are human beings, that women are able to think and vote and be in charge of their own reproductive choices. It is also the liberalization of culture that has said that children are people and not property (thus should be protected by the state if parents are abusive). Looking at the {censored} marriage issue in a historical context of more personal responsibility may be beneficial." not what aduffbrew said about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aduffbrew Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 It could be satire, its kind of the last thing I'm clinging to.... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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