Debian Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Hello All is in the topic Title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 My NVIDIA 4200 Ti card works with Natit. QE only, CI is not supported by this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hello Pat, Can you tell me the rocedure ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinD Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 I also have a Nvidia 4200 ti and would be interested to see how you got it working with QE as I am hoping to use it when I get 10.4.8 with new kernel installed. About Core Image not being supported, how badly does that affect performance? Can you still play video files and what not, or are they out the window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacRetail Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 I have a Mac mini G4 with only QE, no CI, and i can tell you it doesn't effect performance at all. CI only allows you to use professional (Apple) applications and to have a nice ribble effect in Dashboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinD Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Cool, sounds good Now if only Pat tells us how he did it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacRetail Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 (edited) Guys, I just saw pat (I think it's pat) left some comments on the OSX Compatibility Wiki: He reports his 'Geforce Ti 4200' card working. He tells what he did: Semthex kernel, Natit kext and edited NVDAResman.kext, NVDANV40.kext and GeForce.kext with device/vendor idAppereantly he edited NVDANV40Hal.kext and it worked. Can someone try this? I hosed my OSX partition yesterday. The other comments he made are: GeForce Ti 4200 - AGP - Leadtek Motherboard - Works using Natit. All resolutions. Still recognised as PCI card however. - QE works - All resolutions Edited December 28, 2006 by MacRetail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 I tried it.When I put the dev id to NVDAResman.kext, NVDANV40.kext and GeForce.kext the NVDANV20.kext and NVDANV40.kext load but it blokked when I have the message Starting .... Maybe I forget something? Pat if you read me .... Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinD Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) I cannot try as I am waiting for Jas 10.4.8 SSE2 Maybe you could try removing NVDANV20? If Pat got it working with NVDANV40, maybe both kexts loading is causing a problem.... Just an idea, I have absolutely no clue really Edited December 29, 2006 by GavinD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debian Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Thanks for your help.I also tried it without NVDANV20.kext but not yet OK. Debian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antimony Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I also have a 4200 and am curious about the procedure. I have tried many things, all not working. Personally I think pat is mistaken. Of course I'd love to be proven wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuastermos Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 I've tryied this method and I get a kernel panic. I've try with all NVDANVx0HAL.kext, each one alone with GeForce.kext and NVResman.kext with the DEV ID. I think that all of you haves 0x0253 like I. For the moment I have no solution. I'm waiting for read your experiencies. Greetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacRetail Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) It didn't work on my simular (also NV20-based) Geforce3 Ti 200. I got exactly the same error as when using NVDANV20Hal.kext [NVDA::start(display) <failed> (1)] Edited December 30, 2006 by MacRetail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Hi all Here's how I got it working: I'll assume you all have the sse2 exp6 8.8.1 kernel, if not, I followed this guide (roughly). The version of natit I used was the Natit_Uni_1.0 installer package, I did not need to add my deviceID to the kext as it was already there. After installing Natit and rebooting I got a black screen instead of my desktop although it sounded as if things were still starting up normally even though I couldn't see it. (If this happens to you, just move NVDAResman.kext out of the extensions folder in singleuser mode). So I decided to add my device ID to a few NVidia kexts and see if that helped. NVDAResman.kext and GeForce.kext were the important ones. I also added it to NVDANV40Hal.kext but have since found that that kext is for newer cards and my computer was loading both the NVDAN40 and NVDAN20 kexts, I removed the NVDAN40 one. Since I didn't really expect it to work, I was really surprised when my computer started up and instead of a black screen I got a blue screen with a cursor (with a dropshadow - QE ). I was even more surprised when it didn't crash but started up normally. The System Profiler reports QE as being supported (and everything runs much smoother). CI is not supported but I'm fairly sure CI requires pixelshaders2 (FX cards and newer only). It also still reports my card as being PCI instead of AGP, but I havn't had any luck with AGPGart yet. Hope this info helps. Also, if anyone is wondering my card is a Leadtek GeForce 4 TI 4200 128MB with AGP8X (Dev/vendorID 028110de) so if you have that card you should be successful. Note: although I don't actually know if it's necessary, I ran the commands in fixup.sh (attached) before each reboot (clears kextcache and repairs permissions). edit: to see which kexts are loading (and the versions) type kextstat into terminal fixup.sh.zip kextstat.txt Edited December 31, 2006 by pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacRetail Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Thanks, pat! I think this is very interesting, because np_ and others said NVDANV20Hal.kext was nothing but an empty stub, without any real functionality. This proves they made a mistake. btw: I haven't got my card working using your instructions, but i have no Ti 4200 anyway. Edited December 31, 2006 by MacRetail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuastermos Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Thanks Pat for your instrucctions, I'll try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen2X Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) It almost worked! I have a Dell Inspiron 8500 with an nVidia GeForce4 4200 Go w/ 64mb (Device ID: 0286). It is basically the same card as Pat's, but with less memory and a different device id. I tried the same method as Pat, but it just makes my laptop do the dreaded "fade to white". However, if I login via VNC or Apple Remote Desktop, I can see that everything is working just as it should! Quartz Extreme is "Supported" and even the resolution of 1680 x 1050 is correct! It just doesn't display correctly on the screen I also tried np_'s LaptopDisplay.kext with and without Natit, but it did not seem to help me... yet. When I tried to hook up my external flat panel (Samsung SyncMaster 191T), I was able to get a picture when I used the boot option "Graphics Mode"="1024x768x32"; but it was not the complete picture and I had no mouse. Using VNC I could see that it also had an odd list of resolutions to choose from... like 624x832, 768x1280, and 870x1152. It would seem that it thought my screen was rotated. Edited January 4, 2007 by Koen2X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 It almost worked! I have a Dell Inspiron 8500 with an nVidia GeForce4 4200 Go w/ 64mb (Device ID: 0286). It is basically the same card as Pat's, but with less memory and a different device id. I have an idea why it only almost worked. Did you add your device ID to natit.kext? I just checked the info.plist file and while my id 0281 was already listed, I searched for 0286 and it was not there. I don't know if it makes any difference but if you haven't already, you could try adding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen2X Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) I have an idea why it only almost worked. Did you add your device ID to natit.kext? I just checked the info.plist file and while my id 0281 was already listed, I searched for 0286 and it was not there. I don't know if it makes any difference but if you haven't already, you could try adding it. Thanks! I actually did try that though. The device ID in Natit is a mask that should match with anything nVidia (0x000010de&0x0000ffff). I think the list of device IDs you are referring to is actually just to supply the name of the card. Although since our cards are named the same, I actually did happen to change 0x0281 to 0x0286... Otherwise it says "Unknown nVidia Card" or something like that. I am hoping that np_'s solution he is working on here will help. I'm keeping my fingers crossed... Edited January 5, 2007 by Koen2X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
np_ Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I think this is very interesting, because np_ and others said NVDANV20Hal.kext was nothing but an empty stub, without any real functionality. This proves they made a mistake. i did not mistake NVDANV20HAL and 10HAL do have all "dacXXXX" function as empty stubs for x86 part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrahang Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I couldn't get Siluro GF4 Ti4200 working I tried several methods, played with the NVDANV20Hal.kext but without any success. The system was hanged up after a few seconds if the NVDAResman.kext was loaded. Even if I was in single mode without a GUI the system crashed all times after the kextload. The deviceID is 0x025310de for this card. Finally I solved the issue with an other card got today (ASUS 6200TD 128M AGP8X) and without touching anything the system had QE/CI with the new JAS 10.4.8 + Natit If you have the same Ti4200 card and can get it work somehow please let me know as I am still wondering if it's possible or not. So happy with the fully working osx anyway \o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3n Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Didnt work for me. Thanks for the trouble though Could someone perhaps post their kexts ? Think im dooing something wrong in editing them... Have a GF4 ti4200, and running latest jas sse2 10.48 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I have the same Leadtek Geforce 4 ti4200, and it worked with Pats method. Nice...I can see Flurry in its full glory. Sadly my 6600 gives full QE/CI but has a weird issue, which I have no idea on how to fix. I made a thread about it, in the Post-Install Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3n Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Weird, did you exacly follow the guide ? And what errors did you have before ? Are you using agpgart ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Green Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It almost worked! I have a Dell Inspiron 8500 with an nVidia GeForce4 4200 Go w/ 64mb (Device ID: 0286). It is basically the same card as Pat's, but with less memory and a different device id. I tried the same method as Pat, but it just makes my laptop do the dreaded "fade to white". However, if I login via VNC or Apple Remote Desktop, I can see that everything is working just as it should! Quartz Extreme is "Supported" and even the resolution of 1680 x 1050 is correct! It just doesn't display correctly on the screen I also tried np_'s LaptopDisplay.kext with and without Natit, but it did not seem to help me... yet. When I tried to hook up my external flat panel (Samsung SyncMaster 191T), I was able to get a picture when I used the boot option "Graphics Mode"="1024x768x32"; but it was not the complete picture and I had no mouse. Using VNC I could see that it also had an odd list of resolutions to choose from... like 624x832, 768x1280, and 870x1152. It would seem that it thought my screen was rotated. Hello i have the exact same laptop and card geforce go 4200 w/64mb and the 1680x1050 screen. I am running 10.4.8 with the semthex beta9 8.8.1 kernel. I have tried natit and titan but the card is recognized as "Unknown nvidia" with no QE. (CI is unsupported on this card). Could you tell me what you did to get to the white screen because i cant get anywhere with it. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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