Wayfarer247 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Hey! This is kinda funny. So, I got a new laptop and installed Kalyway's 10.5.0 onto it. I had some problems, so I didn't use the vanilla kernel. But I got it to work. Then, when I got into it, I actually had internet. And in my updating and making Leopard work how I wanted it to, I decided, well, what the hell, let's update a bit. Now, I'm not so stupid that I updated to 10.5.2, but I did decide to harmlessly update Quicktime and iTunes via Software update. Well . It broke my install. So here I am again, this time using the Vanilla kerel (choose the option during installation and "vanilla" when choosing boot options). So I am 99% sure I have the Vanilla Kernel. But now I am a little more timid in my updating, because I really don't want to have to install again. When I run software update these are what I get: Remote Desktop Client iLife Support Front Row Update Quicktime* iTunes Mac OS X Update* *Require Restart So, my question is, which one of these, if any, can I safetly install? Or, can I insall them, just not through the software update? THank you! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 Can anyone help me out? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-644650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazubu Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 All can be installed safely except 10.5.2 update. If you want to install it, you may have to remove appleintelcpupowermanagement.kext, not use vanilla but a patched kernel and use the patched 10.5.2 applesmbios.kext Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-644829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Kalyway has a new 10.5.2 combo updater and a kernel installer package that takes care of all this And although you can use a patched AppleSMBIOS, from what I hear its not totally needed, although if you want to get your system profiler information displaying correctly you should use either netkas's or mac.nub (aka iGuru's) AppleSMBIOS. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-645243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 Thank you! I will do the update shortly, and knowing that most of them won't mess it up helps me. Let's see how it goes!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-647500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 I'm a little confused about updating to 10.5.2... It seems that I can do Netkas method, which involves downloading the official version of the update, or I can install Kalyway's combo update? I don't know teh different between the two, or which one is better to use, so if someone could provide some insight, I would love it! I have Kalyway 10.5.1 installed on my HP Pavilion computer. 8600m GS Graphics card, working with the driver. Thanks! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-647662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 It doesn't matter which method you use, but I recommend the Kalyway update it works easier. Steps: 1) Download and run the Kalyway 10.5.2 combo update 2) Reboot, the reboot will take quite a long time and you get a black screen for about 2 minutes. Leave it for a while and it will eventually boot 3) Repair permissions, download and install the kalyway kernels package choosing either a patched kernel or a vanilla kernel depending on the configuration. 4) Reboot and repair permissions again 5) Download and install the Leopard Graphics Update 1.0 from Apple 6) Reboot again and repair permissions Worked out good for me Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 What is the best way to repair permissions? I found the option (I think) to repair permissions off the start up disk, but before I do so, I want to be sure. What is the best way to go about repairing permissions? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Disk Utility is the best way. You can find Disk Utility in the Applications >> Utilities folder. Open disk utility, select your OS X volume from the left, go to the First Aid tab, and click Repair Permissions. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I forgot to download the kernel package before I ran the graphics update--now I just get a blank blue screen at boot. Is that the reason why it happens, and if so is there a way to fix it? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Way to capitalize on my good topic. @~pcwiz, gotcha, I can do that. Will having "broken Permissions" not allow me to boot into OS X (and thus need to use the Disk Utility via Boot CD) or will it boot into OS X just fine, and I will just have to fix permissions there? Also, could you, or someone else, explain what exactly fixing permissions does? Or what happens to corrupt the permissions? This isn't vital info, I would just like to know so I can learn something. Thank you! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Way to capitalize on my good topic. @~pcwiz, gotcha, I can do that. Will having "broken Permissions" not allow me to boot into OS X (and thus need to use the Disk Utility via Boot CD) or will it boot into OS X just fine, and I will just have to fix permissions there? Also, could you, or someone else, explain what exactly fixing permissions does? Or what happens to corrupt the permissions? This isn't vital info, I would just like to know so I can learn something. Thank you! Permissions refer to file access permissons. Right click on a file (any file), select "Get Info". You see where is says sharing and permissions? That is what file permissions are about. What you repair permissions for is sometimes the system file permissions get screwed up and the system (root if you will) can't read, write, or do either to an important file. By fixing permissions you give the system access to said file(s) again. Make sense? if you want to read more about unix file permissions: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/M...Influences.html Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 vaporATX explained it nicely . Now as for what happens when permissions are wrong, you don't want to know. I learned the hard way. Since permissions weren't set right, the system deleted important kexts as "orphaned unlinked files" and you guessed it...my system didn't boot after that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 That's why pcwiz now backs up all his important kexts before doing an update, correct? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Thank you! I understand perfectly now. However, I still have the question of, when doing the update, or repairing permissions in general, should I do it from inside the OS itself, or boot off the installation DVD and repair permissions from there. From what I understand, it wouldn't hurt to do it off teh DVD so the OS doesn't decide it needs to delete important Kexts while booting itself up. Am I correct? Or did you guys do it a different way? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-648706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 3) Repair permissions, download and install the kalyway kernels package choosing either a patched kernel or a vanilla kernel depending on the configuration. Where would I find this? Some Torrent site, or does he have an official Link for it? just want to make sure I get the right Kernels... Hehe, that could be bad otherwise. EDIT: Could I instead use the Kernel available on Netkas' blog? (Info in the updates section). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-649344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Do it from the OS itself. For the kernels download, go here: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&clie...earch&meta= Its the second result Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-649389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayfarer247 Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Thank you pcwiz!!! I now have 10.5.2 installed, with the Vanilla kernel, and I am updating all my permissions now. Thank you so much! So now i just have to ask... the rest of the updates should update fine through the Apple intsaller, right? I have the vanilla kernel and 10.5.2, so nothing bad should happen... Quicktime, iTunes, and Front Row update, only Quicktime requires install. I should be good to go, correct? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-649489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pcwiz Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Yup, I did all the updates from Software Update after updating to 10.5.2 and everything went fine Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/90214-which-updates-are-safe/#findComment-649513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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