stelriah Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Now, I want to say something about partion format. Do to the installation guides, a lot of people seem to think that OS X requires Journaled HFS+ (Mac OS Extended) formating. This is false. Specifically, journaling is an option that hinders performance, I do not use it. does it make a significant difference in terms of speed? also does disabling it slow down spotlight? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_gonzo99 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Likewise, I have been up for about five days on Myzar's 10.4.5 and have had no system instability whatsoever. However, I want to give a few more weeks before I declare victory of my minor problems. Although I've had no problems with my setup when actually using it, I've just got home from work and my box seems to have rebooted itself. From looking at the logs it seems that the system came back up at 11:34am, but there is no record of anything happening before that. Will keep an eye on this and report back any further occurences. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swag01 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I used "Mac OS X 10.4.4/5 osx86 Patched Bootable DVD" posted by "Goatsecx74" on the ThePirateBay. The file downloaded is "MacOSX_10.4.4DVDPATCHED_Myz.iso". I believe that is Myzar's pre-patched 10.4.5. I switched to using: MaC.OsX.10.4.5.Universal.Install.DVD(INTEL:AMD:SSE3:SSE2).iso. The nice thing about this release is you can select what patches you want to install(Intel/AMD). The only difference I notice with this release and the other one I used was that you don't get the boot prompt. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 does it make a significant difference in terms of speed? also does disabling it slow down spotlight? Journaling means that everytime a modify file on a journaled partition, not only does the hard drive operate on the file itself, but it also updates the "journal" itself. This means it can up to twice as slow as regular unjournaled paritions. Disabling journaling should have no affect on spotlight, and if it does it will speed up spotlight not slow it down. Although I've had no problems with my setup when actually using it, I've just got home from work and my box seems to have rebooted itself. Do you have your system set to re-start after a power failure? Otherwise, this could be the type of spontaneous restart I was getting in 10.4.3. Do you have HyperThreading enabled on your CPU? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_gonzo99 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Do you have your system set to re-start after a power failure? Otherwise, this could be the type of spontaneous restart I was getting in 10.4.3. I do, but it's plugged in to the same poer supply as my windows box and that was as I left it, no reboot. Do you have HyperThreading enabled on your CPU? Yes, could this be a problem? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 Yes, could this be a problem? I doubt it, I was just curious as to your configuration. I think these spontaneous reboots are related to memory and perhaps some glitch with the Intel GMA 950 sharing system memory. I have not have one since I went to 10.4.5 (nor any kernel panic), but I have yet to start rigorously stressing my box on 10.4.5. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-86578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Hi! I've got a problem with my partitions. None appears in the Startup Disk from System Preferencies, so I can only boot if the Installation DVD is inserted in the drive, and i don't press any key. Could you please help me out? Thanks! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 Some information about your hardware would be helpful. Motherboard? SATA or IDE hard drives? OS X version? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Sure bofors! My hardware is exactly the same as yours, since i bought it thanks to this great post! Same mobo, same processor, 2 Gb of ram, and the difference is that the disk is an ATA one. The OS version is the 10.4.5 Thanks!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 Great, but to begin with Startup Disk will not work because it requires the use of Apple's firmware. In fact, in 10.4.5 opening the Startup Disk panel crashes System Preferences on my system. (Now if we were using EFI, that would be different story!) Now, I am somewhat confused as to what the problem is. Where you able to format an HFS+ partition and install OS X? If so what happens when you try to boot from that partition? Do you only have only have one hard drive? Do you have Windows or Linux installed as well? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi! The thing is that if i turn on my pc without the Mac OS Installation Disc inside the dvd drive, and wait for the timeout to finish, the monitor goes black with a small cursor on the upper left side of the screen and nothing happens. I need to have the installation disk inserted, don't press any button when it asks me to, and the Mac OS 10.4.5 will boot. I know its very strange. I have no other OS running in my ATA disk. In my 160 Gb. ATA disk, there are three partitions. Two MAC OS extended journaled (i try to boot from one of them), and i have a 65 Gb. free space i don't know how to give format. Both issues, the free space format, and the booting are driving me crazy. Any idea?? Thanks a lot, pal!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 The thing is that if i turn on my pc without the Mac OS Installation Disc inside the dvd drive, and wait for the timeout to finish, the monitor goes black with a small cursor on the upper left side of the screen and nothing happens. Perhaps you should use the verbose option and see what happens. I think you press <F8> and the enter "-v" I need to have the installation disk inserted, don't press any button when it asks me to, and the Mac OS 10.4.5 will boot. I know its very strange. So when this boots does it boot into the OS X Installer off your DVD? Or does it actual boot to OS X off your hard drive? Describe what happens, what the screens look like that come up. I have no other OS running in my ATA disk. In my 160 Gb. ATA disk, there are three partitions. Two MAC OS extended journaled (i try to boot from one of them), and i have a 65 Gb. free space i don't know how to give format. Both issues, the free space format, and the booting are driving me crazy. Any idea?? Good, we can deal with your "free space" later. That should be really easy. I am still trying to understand what is going on with you OS X boot. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-87801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi! Thanks for answering! CASE A: I boot with no dvd in the drive. After the intel mobo image, the screen goes black with a small cursor in the upper right corner. Nothing happens. Stays there forever. CASE B: I boot with the Mac OSX 10.4.4/5 Installation Disk. The computer tells me to press any key if i want to boot from the dvd. I don't press any button, and the system boots from the HD normally, with the grey apple logo and the running circle below. I hope this helps to understand! Thanks! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi! Thanks for answering!CASE A: I boot with no dvd in the drive. After the intel mobo image, the screen goes black with a small cursor in the upper right corner. Nothing happens. Stays there forever. CASE B: I boot with the Mac OSX 10.4.4/5 Installation Disk. The computer tells me to press any key if i want to boot from the dvd. I don't press any button, and the system boots from the HD normally, with the grey apple logo and the running circle below. I hope this helps to understand! Thanks! It appears that your master boot record is missing. This usually happens when you install 10.4.4/5 to a new hard disk, or select erase the previous contents when installing 10.4.4/5 If you have a 10.4.3 disk that you can boot from, you can Bless the 10.4.4 disk with: bless -device /dev/diskXsY -startupfile /usr/standalone/i386/boot bless -folder /Volumes/macosx-10.4.4 -bootBlockFile /usr/standalone/i386/boot1h -setBoot where diskXsY is you new 10.4.4 disk and macosx-10.4.4 is the volume name of your new 10.4.4 disk. I had this problem early on, and corrected it using the above commands. On another machine I had 10.4.3 Jas installed, and when I installed 10.4.4/5 on it, I used Upgrade, without erasing anything on the target disk, and I didn't have the problem doing it this way. Guess it left the 10.4.3 boot record on the disk. There are other methods in other forums, regarding getting the mbr back on your hard disk. Hope this helps Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 It appears that your master boot record is missing. This usually happens when you install 10.4.4/5 to a new hard disk, or select erase the previous contents when installing 10.4.4/5 I have not had this problem. bless -device /dev/diskXsY -startupfile /usr/standalone/i386/boot bless -folder /Volumes/macosx-10.4.4 -bootBlockFile /usr/standalone/i386/boot1h -setBoot I think you could also execute these commands by booting off the install disk and using the Terminal.app that is availiable from the Utilities main menu item. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceTea Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I have seen a thread were someone mentioned that one should not open the ISO images on a mac after downloading (and before the installation) because that would modify them somehow. Hard to imagine for me, but is this a possible cause for these boot problems? I have not had this problem. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 That is nonsense, I have burned all my OSx86 installation disks on my G5. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiceTea Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Good to hear that! You were using straight the Disk Utility app? That is nonsense, I have burned all my OSx86 installation disks on my G5. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I think you could also execute these commands by booting off the install disk and using the Terminal.app that is availiable from the Utilities main menu item. Except that I read somewhere, that the Bless command in 10.4.4 for Intel was broken. Not that I know for sure, just recall reading it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Well in that case, one could use the 10.4.3 DVD instead. The point is that an actual 10.4.3 installation should not be necessary. Frankly, I am still kind of confused about what is actually causing this problem in the first place. I have installed 10.4.5 twice, 10.4.4 once, erased my target partion each times and had no problems. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Thanks folks for answering! As soon as i get home, i'll try to use those commands from the terminal using my 10.4.3 installation disk, and i will tell you. Thanks again! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Well in that case, one could use the 10.4.3 DVD instead. The point is that an actual 10.4.3 installation should not be necessary. Frankly, I am still kind of confused about what is actually causing this problem in the first place. I have installed 10.4.5 twice, 10.4.4 once, erased my target partion each times and had no problems. It happened to me when I had a new hard drive, and I booted the 10.4.4/5 install disk, and it couldn't find a target drive to install to, I then used disk utility from the menu and partitioned the drive, closed it, then the drive showed as an install target. After installation, and the last reboot, the screen came up blank with just a cursor blinking in the top left corner. Those are the circumstances that I ran in to the problem. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerxes1358 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi Bofors, Is it also ok to take a 'Intel Pentium D 805 2.66GHz FSB533 2MB Box' instead of your cpu ? Because yours is twice expensive and I am not sure if this cpu is so much worse for me since I dont do a lot of developing anymore. So from a compatibility point of view is this is cpu good to go ? thanks, xerxes1358 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 Yes, the Pentium D 805 is fine. My rule for CPU's is do not buy anything more than you need and find the best value. We should remember that all Pentium D's will be completely obsoleted by Conroe in about six months. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cararllo Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi! I've already used the bless -device /dev/disk0s1 -startupfile /usr/standalone/i386/boot bless -folder /Volumes/Mac -bootBlockFile /usr/standalone/i386/boot1h -setBoot in my case, and the system continues without booting properly. Exactly the same problem. I can't imagine what this can be. Any help would be appreciated. On the other hand, as I have a 60 Gb free space partition, if I installed XP on that partition, would i have problems booting my OSX again? Thanks a lot! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/7393-howto-building-my-first-osx86-box/page/15/#findComment-88258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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