BoBo Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 What is the difference between the vanilla 10.5.1 kernel and the latest ToH kernel? I updated to 10.5.1, but I can't use the vanilla kernel. Am I missing out on anything by not having the vanilla kernel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neonkoala Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Nope, apart from the ability to install OS updates using System update. In other words you will still need a modified kernel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 AFAIK with some PCs vanilla Kernel is not giving the ability to Sleep or SpeedStep, ToH Kernels have this two flavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prototype_sx Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 AFAIK with some PCs vanilla Kernel is not giving the ability to Sleep or SpeedStep, ToH Kernels have this two flavors. Out of curiosity, how do I check if speedstep is working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2OSx Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Out of curiosity, how do I check if speedstep is working? And one more of curiosity: a modified kernel (Toh) is nearly half smaller than a vanilla kernel in size Any ideal ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown_J Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 AFAIK with some PCs vanilla Kernel is not giving the ability to Sleep or SpeedStep, ToH Kernels have this two flavors. I am running Vanilla kernel and PCEFI 51 with the new AppleSMBIOS.kext. I can fully sleep on my ECS 945GZT-M motherboard. I have a pentium Dual-Core (not a pentium D but the E2160 monicker). Here is the main difference. It all boils down to whether you are using PCEFI or not. With PCEFI, you are able to run vanilla on the newest Celerons, Core2, Core, or Pentium Dual-Core (not the PentiumD but the E21xx series) . This pretty much means you can usually safely upgrade your OS without waiting for patches... At this time. Apple could change this in future updates. You are running the closest to a traditional mac platform as well. With Vanilla kernel you also get the full 64bit if your cpu has that capability. If you are running PCEFI on older Pentium, Pentium Extreme, Pentium HT, Pentium D's then you want to run the ToH kernel for compatibility with SSE2, EM64T etc. There is still much more I could go into but the best place to research all this is on Netkas's site. http://www.netkas.org. He has more information about the subtle differences between the two. To me, it's also a generation thing. Older systems, AMD's or other non-generic systems use ToH, the ones that are closest to Intel specs or Apple specs, use Vanilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envying Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 And one more of curiosity: a modified kernel (Toh) is nearly half smaller than a vanilla kernel in size Any ideal ??? Hacked kernel strips out the ppc code portion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoarthing Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 envying - Hi - many thanks for your Pacifist install-technique edit - apologies for the thread-{censored} please ignore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Out of curiosity, how do I check if speedstep is working? Well the method I used was running XBench. on my Dell With 800mhz it gave me a low number, then at 1200mhz it gave a medium value, and at 1800mhz it gave the full number. I didn´t tried on my AMD yet, but I rather prefer to get proper Sleep than SpeedStep (or cool&quiet) on my rigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuXb Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 on my Dell With 800mhz it gave me a low number, then at 1200mhz it gave a medium value, and at 1800mhz it gave the full number. hm? Where do you set xxx MHz? I seem 2 b missing up on something .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2OSx Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Hacked kernel strips out the ppc code portion... Thx for yr info., now I better using hacked kernel than vanilla one, bcoz vanilla just run only in cus=1 of my system. The only one is my waking function did not works even I using sleep kernel from irc (#10.5). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 hm? Where do you set xxx MHz? I seem 2 b missing up on something .. In the SpeedStep App Menu, see: I think the Mhz is different for everyone, I mean, depends on what processor you have, I gues on 2.4Ghz it has 2400, 1600, and 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTimster Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 *slightly off topic* macgirl, how did you get speedstep running in leopard, and are you using a vanil kernel or toh's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 No, you get me wrong, for speedstep there is a whole package for 10.5.1 in osx86scene forum, it have kernel, applesmbios, acpithrottle, speedstep, thw whole enchilada, I mean, all you need. Normally I run with the vanilla kernel, just for testing purpose I put the ToH speedstep kernel and the necessary kexts. But I prefer to get proper sleep than speedstep, of course this is gonna happen when I get QE/CI on my display/graphic card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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